Does anyone believe that the Founding Fathers of the U.S. were Free Masons ?, page
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reply posted on 10-10-2011 @ 05:38 AM by TheLoneArcher
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Certainly, a number of the US founding fathers were Masons and so were a large percentage of those that signed your constitution.

Edit: Puppets? No, not at all. (and this is coming from a Brit) Visionaries? Most certainly.
Washington was a great man and had a view of a great future. Shame it went wrong.
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reply posted on 10-10-2011 @ 05:39 AM by newcovenant
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This is kind of long but very interesting and yes they certainly were.


Eye of the Phoenix - Secrets of the Dollar Bill

Google Video Link


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reply posted on 10-10-2011 @ 05:53 AM by muzzleflash
Because being in a secret society with a deep history for and against the church (Holy See, Vatican), makes it difficult to tell exactly who was on who's side.

If you read the writings of some fellows like Thomas Paine or Jefferson, etc, you will get an idea of how each individual thought and what they believed.

You have to judge them individually, because for example if you read Alexander Hamilton you will see he was disagreeing with Jefferson, etc. Federalists vs Anti-Federalists.
Don't forget the
Anti-Masonic Party

The Anti-Masonic Party (also known as the Anti-Masonic Movement) was the first "third party" in the United States.[1] It strongly opposed Freemasonry and was founded as a single-issue party aspiring to become a major party. It introduced important innovations to American politics, such as nominating conventions and the adoption of party platforms.


Some people were good, some were neutral, and some were bad. History is a mixed bag, you can't just paint a whole generation/geographic location in time with the same brush. Everyone is different.


reply posted on 10-10-2011 @ 06:02 AM by muzzleflash
Read this Common Sense.

Thomas Paine has a claim to the title The Father of the American Revolution because of Common Sense, the pro-independence monograph pamphlet he anonymously published on 1776; signed "Written by an Englishman", the pamphlet became an immediate success.


And maybe Rights of Man
Thomas Paine wiki

It is a perversion of terms to say that a charter gives rights. It operates by a contrary effect — that of taking rights away. Rights are inherently in all the inhabitants; but charters, by annulling those rights, in the majority, leave the right, by exclusion, in the hands of a few... They... consequently are instruments of injustice.


Mason or not, this guy was an anarchist and in my book, a good guy. I don't care how drunk he was.
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reply posted on 10-10-2011 @ 06:14 AM by OleMB
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Kudos muzzle. I learned about that party yesterday, and was about to do a reply on it. This is an outtake from the article;



In New York at this time the faction supporting President John Quincy Adams, called "Adams men," or the "Anti-Jackson" faction, were a very feeble organization, and shrewd political leaders at once determined to utilize the strong anti-Masonic feeling in creating a new and vigorous party to oppose the rising Jacksonian Democracy. In this effort they were aided by the fact that Andrew Jackson was a high-ranking Mason and frequently spoke in praise of the Order.


To me, it's obvious "they" at this time didn't have the free masonic groups under their control. Andrew Jackson frequently fought the central bank in the US. This is a quote of his;

"The bold effort the present (central) bank had made to control the government ... are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it."


reply posted on 10-10-2011 @ 06:19 AM by OleMB
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Take off them damned sunglasses and obey.
2nd


Haha

This is Jackson "killing the bank" in 1833, with his veto to re-charter the bank in 1833. Notice how the banksters are depicted. Non-human like, with the head of the central bank pictured as the devil himself, running scared with the monstrous bank building trembling to the ground;


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