Alex Jones and the commentators on his site exposed as agents of the GOP, page 3

reply to post by Misoir

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In Germany did you know they require that boards of directors have Union representatives on their board?
Germany ironically, considering the big war, has a healthy social service structure and they rarely have layoffs there. There is much we can learn from them, though of course we here have our own particularities.

It is true that before WW1 there was a greater consciousness and resolve than today about robber barons and economic trusts. Many of the early 20th century American leaders stood up to these moneyed interests. In fact Teddy Roosevelt in the early 1900's initiated a law banning corporations from contributing to political campaigns. He was a progressive republican!

Today I think the politicians are too much in the pockets of the rich and powerful, so we have a long hard road to overthrowing the bribed political structure.

I personally consider myself a Republican, not that I agree with today’s GOP, but for that fact of their historical structure. People like Theodore Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, Herbert Hoover (the man, not the politician), Dwight Eisenhower and the numerous Republican Senators; Robert LaFollette, Sr., Joseph McCarthy, Robert A. Taft. They just are so much aligned with my way of thought which is about order, liberty of all Americans, cultural identity, non-interventionist foreign policy, and protecting American workers from unfair foreign trade (i.e. free-trade).

Democrats have always (until at least the 1970s) been a party of ‘populist impulses’, that is not something I am in favor of. I think it really goes back to the old are you a ‘Jefferson man’ or a ‘Hamilton man’. Most Americans today would identify with Thomas Jefferson, especially on ATS, whereas I identify with Alexander Hamilton. In my opinion that is still the great American divide.

reply to post by inforeal

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Here's yer star! Nice throw back, by the way.
I need all kinds of links to DECIDE, thanks.

reply to post by Misoir

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Good work, keep it up Mis.

Hopefully others will read some of the information you have posted.

I don't think the OP intended to have a philosophical debate however.
It's more of just the weekly anti-AJ rant.

Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by inforeal

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See, this is a better dialogue when we can sit here and discuss things rather than being called names. I agree that AJ is a nut and has an agenda, that I never denied. And yes I agree with you that:
• Obama is not a Socialist, Communist, Marxist, Leninist, Maoist, etc…
• That this no way resembles a materialistically communist country
• That our present day elites have gained power through lying, cheating, manipulating, stealing, and definitely breaking countless civil even moral laws
• There needs to be something done to correct these mistakes and injustices

This may be the first post that I've read from you where I found myself in agreement. Finally, a conservative that is honest and knows what a socialist is, and isn't just rattling off the word because he heard Glen Beck use it!

reply to post by inforeal

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I knew he and those hyenas on his site would stoop to slander the brave people in the OWS movement when they began to express their demands and that they would turn out to be PROGRESSIVES in ideology.

You mean these brave people? Protester defacates on police car.

Or maybe these brave people...Mindless sheep?

Please....spare me.

reply to post by inforeal

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"Exposed" by a forum poster, with a short "he's an agent because I say he is". How about some...oh...I dunno...quotes? links to sites with proof? a well-written...anything? I'm no AJ sycophant, but this thread is beyond ludicrous if you think anyone will believe you've "exposed" anything.

/TOA

reply to post by muzzleflash

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Actually, I don’t hate Jones. I got really pissed at him calling people communists and socialists who just want to eat every day and not be strangled by a 100 grand school loan.

I get on him and others who dogmatically call progressives communists because they believe in human-centric policies

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by muzzleflash

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Actually, I don’t hate Jones. I got really pissed at him calling people communists and socialists who just want to eat every day and not be strangled by a 100 grand school loan.

I get on him and others who dogmatically call progressives communists because they believe in human-centric policies

Did that person that received the $100k school loan read the contract from the first word to the last? Did that person understand the contract that was written in the person's mother tongue? Did that person sign on the dotted line? If so, nobody owes them anything. If not...nobody owes them anything.

/TOA

reply to post by Misoir

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Unfortunately, your kind of Republican is as rare as a two-legged dog.

You might add to that decent crew of Republicans, the recently deceased Charles Percy from Illinois who was voted out of office after 6 terms in the senate because he questioned the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians—AIPAC again the Israeli lobby.

Anyway, actually Teddy Roosevelt was a republican progressive. Way back progressivism wasn’t called or associated with communism as much as today. All the negative atmosphere created by the cold war intensified the paranoia of the western hysterical groups obsession with the communist threat.

Ironically, one thing legitimate NWO theorists, unlike the rabble-rouser Alex Jones, did was demonstrate that communism was aided and abetted by certain capitalists and industrialists to a great extent.

reply to post by The Old American

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It all boils down to this what I posted to Filosophia:

You have all the right in the world to defend Alex Jones, as I have a right to denounce him as I see fit.

It does boil down to what people call progressive versus conservative values.

Progressive values in today’s world revolve around helping and assisting ALL human beings on all levels as much as is possible. They desire to feed the hungary and clothed the naked and install political systems that benefit ALL of the people not the few amongst the rich and powerful.

Indeed the very essence of what Buddha taught, what Jesus taught and what Muhammad taught about charity and goodness and decency and love thy neighbor and help those in need and those in distress and to build a society based on justice for all.

It values the focus on the universal progress of all human beings and support life giving and sustaining policies by governments for ALL the people in the world and in the various nations of the world,

Whereas conservative values concentrate on a distorted idea of freedom. An Ayn Rand philosophy of do whatever you want or whatever you can get away with.

The conservative philosophy of today characterized by the philosophy of the Republican and Tea party believes in the right of the elite wealthy to do what they please within the society regardless of how ill it affects the masses of the people.

IMO it is a selfish philosophy of ethno-centric selfishness: my race, my nation, my self, that is antithetical to most ethical and spiritual values that humans prize, and put us avove the lowest part of our nature.

You can choose the values you like; I choose the values of the best part of the human spirit on all levels, including politics where we can go the way of the selfish or the way of the generous as best we can, that revolves around love, compassion, empathy, and justice for all

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by redrose123

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Strange you attack me for attacking Jones’s attack on the OWS.
Don’t I have a right to attack Jones’s ideas as he has attacked and called the OWS communists and socialists because they have progressive issues they support?

Progressive ideas are socialist and border line communistic. Why are you mad for Alex telling it like it is?

Also it seems to me that you don't understand the difference between a libertarian and GOP conservative.

Originally posted by JBA2848
How about this guy. He tries to start problems by posing as a OWS protestor then brags in his right wing paper The American Spectator. Who is he? Hes the editor.

my.firedoglake.com...

Heres the story that had the picture showing he was involved in starting the problem.

www.opednews.com...

edit on 9-10-2011 by JBA2848 because: (no reason given)

Seems they tracked down who was paying this guy to do this stunt. Paul Singer.

thinkprogress.org...

The campaign the marginalize and destroy the growing 99 Percent Movement is in full swing, with many in the media attempting to smear the people participating in the “occupation” protests across the country. However, several of the so-called journalists deriding, and in some cases sabotaging the movement, have paychecks thanks to a billionaire whose business practices have been scorned as among the worst of the financial elite.

As the New York Times has documented, Paul Singer, a Republican activist and hedge fund manager worth over $900 million, has emerged as one of the most important power brokers within the GOP. Now, it appears that the reporters financed by Singer are at the forefront of efforts to tarnish the reputation of 99 Percent Movement demonstrators:

I wonder if they will get a chance to go by his house?

www.businessinsider.com...

Occupy Wall Street Has Some Bad News For The Rich Residents Of The Upper East Side

Tomorrow, Occupy Wall Street protesters will leave Zuccotti Park at 11 AM and head to the Upper East Side to see how "the 1%" live.

They're calling it, "NYC billionaires Walking Tour" and they'll start marching at 59th and 5th Avenue around 12:30 PM.

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by The Old American

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It all boils down to this what I posted to Filosophia:

You have all the right in the world to defend Alex Jones, as I have a right to denounce him as I see fit.

Of course you have that right. You can say he slept with his best friend's dog if you want to. But without actual proof, it's an opinion. So, again, you haven't exposed anything.

It does boil down to what people call progressive versus conservative values.

Progressive values in today’s world revolve around helping and assisting ALL human beings on all levels as much as is possible. They desire to feed the hungary and clothed the naked and install political systems that benefit ALL of the people not the few amongst the rich and powerful.

Wow, it's not that you've drunk the Kool-Aid, it's that you haven't drunk enough. Progressives have done more to harm minorities than conservatives could ever think of doing. Keeping minorities poor and impoverished makes sure that they are pitied and docile.

I know that's what I would want. Nothing like a big helping of pity to keep my day fresh and exciting, not to mention making me feel all warm and fuzzy about myself!

Indeed the very essence of what Buddha taught, what Jesus taught and what Muhammad taught about charity and goodness and decency and love thy neighbor and help those in need and those in distress and to build a society based on justice for all.

You really think Buddha, and Jesus, and Muhammad would point a gun to my head and order me to give my possessions to someone else? The taking of ones possessions by force or coercion is not charity, it's extortion. How is that anything at all what was taught by them?

Whereas conservative values concentrate on a distorted idea of freedom. An Ayn Rand philosophy of do whatever you want or whatever you can get away with.

The conservative philosophy of today characterized by the philosophy of the Republican and Tea party believes in the right of the elite wealthy to do what they please within the society regardless of how ill it affects the masses of the people.

Taking that spoon-feeding well, I see! How's that taste? Like bile, maybe? Ayn Rand's philosophy is not "do whatever you want or whatever you can get away with". It's more along the lines of "be responsible for your own actions". Forcing one to give to another is, again, extortion. Sounds to me like conservatives are the ones championing liberty.

IMO it is a selfish philosophy of ethno-centric selfishness: my race, my nation, my self, that is antithetical to most ethical and spiritual values that humans prize, and put us avove the lowest part of our nature.

You're right: progressives are ethno-centric: anyone but whites must prosper. Great bunch of humanitarians, there.

You can choose the values you like; I choose the values of the best part of the human spirit on all levels, including politics where we can go the way of the selfish or the way of the generous as best we can, that revolves around love, compassion, empathy, and justice for all

My values are protecting life, all life, by ending wars by the progressives on minorities. Not to mention our progressive president's wars on the brown people of the Middle East. I see a pattern here!

My values are personal responsibility, and keeping the fruits of my labor for me and my family.

My values are giving to charity, helping the poor, and assisting the needy, but on my terms and how I think my budget can handle it, not what you think I can afford.

But people like you, with your unwavering support of OWS, show me that you think you're owed something because...what...you screwed up one time? You signed a contract for loan you knew you couldn't afford, you lost a job that you think you had a right to, you make a wage that you think you're too good for? And you want me to pay for it?

That's how children think. They're used to being taken care of. Well, it's time to grab your big-boy pants, put them on and, just once, accept responsibility for your own failings. Nobody but you is responsible for you. The faster you and those snot-noses at OWS realize that, then real change can take hold.

/TOA

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