Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by newcovenant
Ignore the dummies that said not to watch the video. The video is exactly what many of us have been saying for a long time. The longer our troops
occupy foreign nations, the more violence we will cause, either by accident or by misdeeds and crimes.
The video is a chance to put your self in the shoes of an Iraqi citizen or an Afghan citizen. How would you feel if "peacekeepers" were marching
through your neighborhood, or raiding the homes of your friends and neighbors regularly. How would you feel when the occasional errant bomb strikes a
loved one? As long as we are there, we are doing more harm than good.
War is only good if you go in and overwhelmingly win. No foreign occupation has ever been successful, it is a waste of resources and a constant
source of turmoil, strife, and anger. I supported the invasion, we toppled Saddam and the Taliban. At that point the clear choices were either 1.
rule the land and plunder the resources and benefit from the war, or 2. get out and come home. There should never be a 3rd option of sticking around
indefinitely spending billions of our own dollars with no clear benefit and tons of ill will both home and abroad.
Watch the video, it is a good one.
Yes indeed it is and excellent advice.
We had better get out of there.
The best determining factor for any question should be...
Would you want it to happen to you?
That is my opinion and truthfully I would not have retaliated the WTC attacks with more bombing.
The unfortunate and unconscionable events surrounding WTC put the USA in a unique position, with the sympathies and favor of the world and the wind at
Misdeeds in our past were forgotten and in one fell swoop we were not the ELITE country never suffering war on her own soil. We were just like
everyone else for a moment. And then we reared our ugly heads and asserted our SUPERIORITY - in case anyone had forgotten WE ARE RUNNING THINGS HERE
We enjoyed a great deal of "good will/superhero" capital and we blew it.
Within these wars there have been some small successes - but if that is the best I can say about the sacrifice of so many more AMERICANS....and these
Americans, young fine strong and with families themselves it is nothing in comparison. To justify the rest of those lives gone we must have
accomplished something significant but I don't really see it. We are not safer against terrorism. Our defenses are up but then our enemies skill and
numbers are greater by virtue and so we have in fact accomplished nothing.
Obama...I think when he campaigned on it he actually intended to end these wars. I have seen this happen to Presidents before. When they get in
office, they change.
Now I imagine what happens is as soon as every President is inaugurated and the parties are over and the last lights from the festivities goes out and
the family is put to bed...Our President every President is virtually kidnapped by the MIC (military industrial complex) and water boarded.
He is put in a dark room and strapped to a chair or something and told in no uncertain terms...
You are the leader of the free world now...
There is much you do not know, nobody knows but us.
Here is what is REALLY going on. [ ??? - omg - wtf - shtf - 666 - XXX - etc. ]
Then there is some world view we are not privy to and could not dream up in a million years.
Then they show filmstrips and produce evidence to convince the President that this UGLY and UNPLEASANT course of military action is absolutely
essential and in fact the ONLY WAY forward that is not irresponsible.
It will be taking the unpopular anti-peace route to save American lives, or the planet and/or because of the factors X X and X .
Things he never knew before - Things none of us know now.
And whatever he goes through and after whatever they tell him, these Presidents end up changing their minds and their position on a lot of things
shortly after obtaining office.
Essentially I think becoming the President of the US is a little like I imagine what it might be to become a 33rd degree Mason. "Tell anyone any of
this stuff and they'll have to kill you."
Yes I agree with you. We should be out of there.
Why aren't we?
It is a great question.