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Why do you love George Bush?

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posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 03:24 PM
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Finally!! Some good things for Bush, and from a Super Moderator!!!




posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 01:22 AM
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It seems like Muppet is politley and quietly gathering information to use against Bush supporters, looking for points to attack.

That is just speculation of course, but you wait, we'll soon see if he comes out blasting points that supporters have cited.

Its a good tactic actually....let your opponents do your leg work for you, give you targets to attack, and take time to research beforeyou come back and attack their positions....

beware friendly oposition....



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 01:55 AM
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Originally posted by muppet
Why do you love George Bush


On the rare, short lived moment when this happens, I'd say it truly personifies the meaning of 'Unconditional Love' or 'Agape' spiritual love.

It certainly has nothing to do with any of his own statements or actions to date. I also doubt that any deviation from his past methods will change in the future, unfortunately!!

In an attempt at Optimism, which is not my usual mindset BTW, I suppose the positive side of Bush is that he provides a perfect, real life test subject for which one, like myself, is able to use as a way to actually know and understand that such 'Agape, Compassion, Goodwill, Magnanimity, etc.' is actually possible!!



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 03:20 AM
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According to international laws, George W. Bush is a simple war criminal. Had the united states not withdrawn from the International Criminal Court, he would be in judgement there right now, condemned to a lifetime in prison. This man is so reckless, vile and paranoid schizophrenic that he exerts a certain type of messianic (=strongly schizophrenic) charisma (look at his grin and eyes) that appeals to the intellectually less gifted portions of the population, in a fashion very similar to Adolf Hitler.



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 03:26 AM
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Originally posted by Mokuhadzushi
According to international laws, George W. Bush is a simple war criminal. Had the united states not withdrawn from the International Criminal Court, he would be in judgement there right now, condemned to a lifetime in prison. This man is so reckless, vile and paranoid schizophrenic that he exerts a certain type of messianic (=strongly schizophrenic) charisma (look at his grin and eyes) that appeals to the intellectually less gifted portions of the population, in a fashion very similar to Adolf Hitler.


Excatly which laws did he break, can you site the law in question? Can you post references under international law? And which international laws? Or is this just more unfounded slander?



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 04:08 AM
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Would GW Bush be held accountable for the "Convoy of Death: Afghan massacre" Incident?
It did happen on his watch.
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posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331

Originally posted by Mokuhadzushi
According to international laws, George W. Bush is a simple war criminal. Had the united states not withdrawn from the International Criminal Court, he would be in judgement there right now, condemned to a lifetime in prison. This man is so reckless, vile and paranoid schizophrenic that he exerts a certain type of messianic (=strongly schizophrenic) charisma (look at his grin and eyes) that appeals to the intellectually less gifted portions of the population, in a fashion very similar to Adolf Hitler.


Excatly which laws did he break, can you site the law in question? Can you post references under international law? And which international laws? Or is this just more unfounded slander?


Well, I'm not here to argue the case presented by Moku, either for or against.

I will instead present an alternative case that is similar, while including the references and so forth that you requested as a way to investigate for yourself the accusations being made.

I completely respect your demands of providing supporting material to back up ones claims, I too would demand the very same thing. I'm interested in reading your follow up comments after you've studied the info I'm providing and it's connection to the allegations I've made. (Just try and keep them somewhat civil should you decide disagree with them.)

Article II Section 1- US Constitution
Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Article II Section 4-US Constitution
The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

US Law: Section 371. Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States
If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense
against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any
agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of
such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy,
each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than
five years, or both.
If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object
of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such
conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for
such misdemeanor.

Project for the New American Century
en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 09:09 AM
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Mojom I dont see quite where you are going with this. I assume you were implying that the PNAC is an anti-american conspiracy. While it does fit the defition of cooperation I dont thnk it could be called a conspiracy. Even if it were a conspracy, as it is Pro-American it its intent it would follow in the spirit of the presidential oath.
If you are implying that the PNAC proves that the Bush dministration lied to create support for the Iraq war, I will have to respectfully disagree. While I have no doubts that President Bush "made hay whle the sun was shining" In reference to the intelligence in Iraq I have yet to be convinced that it was outright fabrication.

Allthough i must admit I am very curious as to where you are going with this.



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 11:22 AM
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All i see is baseless wishful thinking....
do you think for a second that if...IF Bush's detractors had any shred of proof of your allegations, that they wouldnt have already used THIS?

Please,
Spare us this fantastic, LIE.

If you dont have ACTIONABLE information, then you have NOTHING!!!
Which is exactly what every anti-Bush zealot has, NOTHING.

If you keep believing in these fairy tales, do you think they will come true?

This tired old crap, wishing you had something to "get Bush" with is really getting old. I cant believe the level of FABRICATION and SPECULATION, and beliefe that OPINION is reality that some of the anti-bush people express.

GET A LIFE!

What other fantastic tales about Bush do you wish to believe?
How about that his farts are classified as WMD?
Mabey he has a secret devil worship chamber below the WhiteHouse?
Bush secretly has been sleeping with a Saudi princess?

Come on....these are no different than any tall tale that anti Bush insanity breeds.

Ive got a bridge that kerry built with his own hands for sale?

laughable, insane rhetoric from desperate souls that cant bear to live while Bush is around...do us all a favor and take these decietful, devicive phoney allegations to your graves...sooner than later. You'll be happier and so will I knowing that people that believe in fantasy arent walking around next to me thinking the dragon is going to eat them if Bush is re-elected.

OMG! I cant believe people are really this willing to believe in whatever they think is true as long as it fits their reality.

Thnk you god for giving me a job in mass media...there really are soo many couch potato minds awaiting molding....
brains....mmmm... more brains....



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by mwm1331
Excatly which laws did he break, can you site the law in question? Can you post references under international law? And which international laws? Or is this just more unfounded slander?


Read the Geneva Conventions and the statutes of the UN.

Attacking another country and killing tens of thousands without authorization by the UN security council is a war crime. Hence Bush is a war criminal.

Bush also broke the Geneva Convention a number of times by ordering napalm to be used on iraqi footsoldiers. This is a war crime, ordered by the administration and perpetrated by the US Marines.

The hundreds of suspects detained illegally at camp guantanamo also constitutes an extremely heavy breach of the Geneva Convention, not to mention torture (crimes against humanity) to which the detainees are being subjected to.

This is enough for several lifetimes in prison for the whole Bush regime. The day the United states will adhere to the ICC, (soon to be coming if Kerry is elected) the criminal Bush will be held accountable of his crimes.

Besides, the Abu Ghraib torture scandal is currently being traced to the generals abizaid/sanchez. Perhaps it will trace even higher up, which could lead to an indictment for crimes against humanity.

I don't have to account for Bushes mental constitution. Only a mentally very very ill person can exclaim "bring em on" when hostages are being executed every week. This man has a dangerous mental sickness and should end his life in a cage in The Hague after thorough psychiatric treatment.



[edit on 31-8-2004 by Mokuhadzushi]



posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 05:15 AM
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Again i say THIS IS OLD CRAP...old fantasy wishful thinking.
first, We dont need the UN's permission to do anything...THE USA OWNS THE UN!..we would simply veto any attempt to frame the USA in this manner, or Brittan would do it for us....ooohh booga booga...the scary UN that cant even manage itself...(food for oil ripoff ring a bell?) F the UN!!!!!
The UN does not exist to protect American interests. We will protect them ourselves. Are you selling out our soverinty to the UN?

Second, napalm is restricted, not banned, and the US has not had napalm for years, we used a weapon system that is derivitive of it, but not actually napalm. Use of these indiscriminate weapons against CIVILIAN targets is banned
but
IF YOU VIOLATE THE CONVENTIONS by hiding your millitary assets in civilian areas or shielding them using civilians (human shields), you voided your protections.
so if civillians were too close to millitary targets, who tried to hide millitary stuff there? NOT the USA.

The USA was very careful to legally have those at guantanamo quallified as "illegal combatants" or fighters not from a recognized millitary....therefore they get to rot....now as far as AMERICAN detainees there, well they will have their day in court.

So its ok that the terrorists/insurgants use marked emergency vehicles to move weapons and or as suidcide bombs in violations of the conventions?
Beheading of prisoners? hostage taking? Use of human shields?
How many other of these conventions have they ignored? But ohh thats ok right?

who is going to step up and try and enforce these allegations? ANY nations even hinting at this? NO! Because they they dont want to loose the $$$ thay make with the USA....or because they are too cowardly to try such a stunt knowing the USA would not be kind in return.
Besides, you'd have to actually PROVE these things and thats never gonna happen.....wishful pipe dreaming.

But if your in bed by midnight on dec 24, a big guy in a red suit will come down your chiminey and he might give you the proof you need to "get Bush" with...LMAO

This thread should go back to its stated title, instead of dredging up old phoney allegations to bash with.



posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 05:54 AM
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I don't want to overstep it, but the FBI and probably the CIA and almost certainly the Military establishment murdered almost 3000 Americans on 911. Then went on to get more than a thousand American soldiers killed and killed tens of thousands of Afghans and Iraqis in two subsequent wars. My bet says GW Bush knew about it too.

It makes me realize that the FBI, CIA and Military must have been doing any number of subversive things for decades. Certainly there is extensive proof that the CIA has been dealing in drugs for decades. The FBI was founded by J Edgar Hoover, who kept extensive blackmail files on most of Washington. CIA, FBI and ATF were all complicit in the Oklahoma City bombing.

And i cant figure out why almost everybody seems so blind. Are people so unindependent minded that they can't see beyond the carefully crafted and filtered broadcast pablim they get on TV screens? Do they just not care? For me it takes the whole world I thought was out there and turns it inside out.

How can hundreds of Firefighters and Policemen were murdered on 911 not be enraged at their own national government for doing this to them?



posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 11:12 AM
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Slank asks,


How can hundreds of Firefighters and Policemen were murdered on 911 not be enraged at their own national government for doing this to them?

Ummm because THATS NOT REALITY!!!!

What a pile of fantabation (fantasy mental masturbation)

Again, i can alledge the Bush is secretly batman, but somehow i think that is fantasy as much as this latest whopper!

The insanity of this is beyond what ive heard on the psyche ward of a hospital.

Again i say, this is a love Bush thread,
Not a dream ways to "get Bush" one....LMAO!

Please contribute your love and CUT THE TOTAL FANTASY BULLSIHT!
At the very least, bash Bush for something tangible...geese
oh yeah, Bush has a collection of terrorist ears on a necklass too....



posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 05:00 PM
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Just glancing at the Bush love thread, and I am not surprised to see that nobody gives unconditional love to Bush more than Caz! Do you have any other arguments other than your demands for complete, documented proof of everybody's opinion?! And you say my style of debate is flawed?
I'm not gonna go into an anti-Bush rant because this is a Bush love thread, and I will respect that, but Bush lovers know that you are in good company, Bush could kick Caz in the ribs, and he would demand proof that Bush in fact, kicked him in the ribs. I guess that's because Caz works for the mainstream media, proving the right wing bias that runs rampant in it. If Bush knew of your loyalty Caz, he would kiss you!




posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by CazMedia
It seems like Muppet is politley and quietly gathering information to use against Bush supporters, looking for points to attack.

That is just speculation of course, but you wait, we'll soon see if he comes out blasting points that supporters have cited.

Its a good tactic actually....let your opponents do your leg work for you, give you targets to attack, and take time to research beforeyou come back and attack their positions....

beware friendly oposition....



LOL.. no.. nothing of the sort.

I did start this thread out of some feeling of frustration at the number of "why do you hate bush" threads. From where I'm standing I really couldn't understand why so many people could support him, since to British eyes he comes across as an idiot. (sorry, but he does). I couldn't understand how otherwise intelligent Americans could somehow miss this.

From this thread though, I have learned that a good number of Bush supporters DO recognize is many failings, lack of verbal and political skills etc, but by and large are supporting him anyway, either because the alternative appears worse, or because other aspects of republican policy outweigh the negative aspects of having Bush as president. That makes some sort of sense to me, which is why I say I have learned something here.

If you're waiting for me to come out blasting supporters of Bush based on information supposedly gathered in this thread, you'll be waiting a long time I'm afraid!!

Most of the points here are domestic US issues, which really don't concern me. In that respect I don't care who gets in.

For the record though, I am anti Bush, or rather anti neo-con. These guys foreign policies do not only affect America, so of course I reserve the right to object to them in this regard..

I don't know why but I seem to be making quite a few people paranoid of late? It's a genuinely strange experience having people question my motives like this, or suggest I have some hidden agenda.. Don't get me wrong, I'm not offended all all, this is the internet after all, but still. I find it kind of odd.


Oh well!



[edit on 2/9/04 by muppet]



posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by muppet
I don't know why but I seem to be making quite a few people paranoid of late? It's a genuinely strange experience having people question my motives like this, or suggest I have some hidden agenda.. Don't get me wrong, I'm not offended all all, this is the internet after all, but still. I find it kind of odd.


Oh well!


Don't worry about it muppet, Caz is paranoid in general, he claimed the NJ governor who recently admitted he was gay, was actually just lying about his sexuality to gain access to office, to then force his "gay agenda"
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Most Bush supporters are not quite that paranoid, but they seem to get way to upset just because we have different views than them, which is the problem with the neo-con agenda, with them it's either "my way or the highway", they have no tolerance for diversity or differences of opinions and values, but hopefully Kerry will win and these Rove zombies will snap out of the mind-control and see a new, world-friendly America, one in which our friends and allies are happy to help us in our war against extremist terrorists, instead of getting neo-con ultimatums that demand cooperation, or else.




[edit on 1-9-2004 by 27jd]



posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 02:21 AM
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Most Bush supporters are not quite that paranoid, but they seem to get way to upset just because we have different views than them, which is the problem with the neo-con agenda, with them it's either "my way or the highway", they have no tolerance for diversity or differences of opinions and values, but hopefully Kerry will win and these Rove zombies will snap out of the mind-control and see a new, world-friendly America, one in which our friends and allies are happy to help us in our war against extremist terrorists, instead of getting neo-con ultimatums that demand cooperation, or else.


Different views are fine 27jd, its when people accuse the president of the united states of things which are not only ridiculous, but which have been proven false over and over agin that I get a little frustrated. Thjings Like "Bush planned 9/11" and "bush stole the election" which annoy me. As for neocon ultimatums I think Al capone said it best.
"You get more with a kind word and a gun than a kind word alone"



posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 02:56 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331
Different views are fine 27jd, its when people accuse the president of the united states of things which are not only ridiculous, but which have been proven false over and over agin that I get a little frustrated. Thjings Like "Bush planned 9/11" and "bush stole the election" which annoy me. As for neocon ultimatums I think Al capone said it best.
"You get more with a kind word and a gun than a kind word alone"


I, for one, am against Bush, but I don't believe he planned 9/11, I think there were warnings ignored, but I don't think he planned it. I do dispute the election outcome, but what's done is done, and I'm sure this year Florida will have their act together to avoid any further embarassment, and knowing they will be under scrutiny. As for the ridiculous allegations, this is a conspiracy based site after all, so they should be expected to a degree. And honestly, is Al Capone somebody you would want running the country?



posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 03:01 AM
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You don't have to be a good man to state a fundamental truth. Look at pakistan, prior to 9/11 the were one of the leading exporters of terror, now they are an ally. the reason why is that they knew that to invite the U.S.'s wrath was suicide. Same with tripoli. Unless you are in a position of strength there is nothing to stop people from taking advantage of you.



posted on Sep, 4 2004 @ 05:27 AM
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You needent worry Muppet,
you have stated your reasons twice, the reason i questioned you earlier is because ive seen this "lure them in and attack them once they state their reasons" strategy by posters before...they pretend to be friendly, only to gain access to the points they will turn and attack.

27jd loves to chase me around and attempt to apply his projected bias onto me all the time....he's one of my biggest fans it seems.
Heck soon i expect that my detractors will make me very well known,
Ill be on everyones lips soon....liked or not
if their not talking about you, your a nobody
this wont bother me in the least.
How easy it is to position yourself to be elevated by the masses
massiah or maniac....either way at least im not going to be forgotten...LMAO

But this is not about ME
even tho thats all my detractors can seem to talk about
NEVER the points i raise, always me....

Lame avoidance of issues by those with weak positions...
attack the messenger not the message....this is one of the TOP no no's in formal debate style....

Keep asking questions Muppet and be objective when looking at the answers given
so what do you think of answers people have given to your questions?

PS keep up the good fight MWM!



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