Just To Clear Up A Multitude OF Stupid Statements

reply to post by SplitInfinity


Ah....ah, so.

'Tis, 'tis.

Well, let that be a lesson to.....ummm, to me then.

And/Or, to whichever (hopefully former) believer in the "Spaceship Moon" baloney happens to wander by and see your thread........

reply to post by ProudBird


Not replying to the strict science of what you are suggesting, but the theosophists actually suggested, or explained, that loss of energy of souls on this planet was purposeful to "feed" the building of the moon for an alternative colony of life. If I can find a link to that article, I will provide it, though this evidenciary piece is quite separate and different than the science you are providing.

Recently, It has been proven that Neutrino's arrive yesterday before you think of them. Ok, the joke is as follows:

A Neutrino walked in the bar today. The bartender said that neutrinos are not welcome in the bar.

A neutrino walked into the bar.


Think about it! LOL

Originally posted by xpoq47
Whatever Boeing, Lockheed, Northrop, etc. are doing is not open to the public, but these papers, which may be taking nearly the same approach as at least one of those and may be way behind such research, might at least be a hint as to what is possible. But one might suspect that the energy requirements would necessitate gathering energy en route, be it from the zero-point field, cosmic rays, trace hydrogen in space, or whatever. But they are about gravitic propulsion, which requires energy but not propellant. But if these guys are on the right track and the energy source is zero point taken in by creating a field that can stimulate and absorb it with a degree of efficiency that can keep the system running (which would not violate thermodynamics), then the flight characteristics would just happen to be the same seemingly impossible characteristics reported for UFOs, and even the strange flitting movements at low speed would suddenly make sense in that context.

www.scientificexploration.org...
www.calphysics.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

Although there are many exotic forms of propultion being developed....Gravitic Drives are things we are just trying to understand. On the periodic table....there is an open space for element 115. In order to create....and direct...the massive amount of energy needed to represent mass to create a singularity or gravity well....FISSION OR FUSION REACTIONS are not sufficient enough power generation so you need to use ANTIMATTER.

The problem with using antimatter is CONTAINMENT. You can't use an Electromagnetic containment field because this would cause unchecked matter/antimatter annihilation and a VERY BIG BOOM would result.

Element 115 is naturaly capable of creating what is known as a STRONG FORCE gravitic warp bubble. This bubble is naturaly occuring at a distance away from this elements nucleus and it's Electron Orbits are in arrangement in such a construct that they tie in the Multiversal Aspects of particle to wave existance of the electron fields.

Thusly...this wave/particle representation is more so tied with more Universal and Multiversal states than any other known element....and this element is NOT found on Earth. Since it creates a warp bubble and this basic concept of gravity contains no energy or matter but does hold or contain the enormous reaction of matter/antimatter annihilation without need of external power....the reaction can not only be contained but directed. Split Infinity

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Well I think w/ a 4th dimension the possibilities are endless.

If you think of the Big Band theory, how light expanded, but space must of been expanding faster. I think you could design your spaceship in that manner, the movement of space. However if you've seen pictures of Mars or the Moon, and you close your eyes and imagine yourself on the Moon, then that is something all together. To physically move that quickly in a spaceship would be amazing.

Originally posted by game over man
Well I think w/ a 4th dimension the possibilities are endless.

If you think of the Big Band theory, how light expanded, but space must of been expanding faster. I think you could design your spaceship in that manner, the movement of space. However if you've seen pictures of Mars or the Moon, and you close your eyes and imagine yourself on the Moon, then that is something all together. To physically move that quickly in a spaceship would be amazing.

Our Universal Reality has been calculated to have a minimum of TEN dimentional states...and there are probably much more.

As a person envisions the concept of more than 3 dimentional states with time being a possible fourth....a person will run into a visualization problem since the Human brain is not evolved enough to visualize this other than to represent it with math.

A very simple experiment that anyone can do to get an idea about the Multiversal and Multidimentional state of the quantum universe is to cut a 12 inch slit about a quarter of an inch wide in a piece of cardboard. Shine a light at this cardboard and place it so that it is about 4 ft away from a wall in your house.

You would expect to see a line of light behind it right....check it out....you will see many lines as this is an example of the quantum world. Split Infinity

Originally posted by tetra50
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LOL.

Perhaps Ezekiel was the first science fiction author? very good description of an alien visit, I especially liked the part 'and they ascended to heaven on a pillar of fire' remind you of anything?

Originally posted by SplitInfinity


Conventional propultion is not the way to travel interstellar distances....you need a GRAVITIC DRIVE.
Split Infinity

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edit on 8-10-2011 by Asktheanimals because: Changed title from all caps. considering moviing to rants FTR

But doesn't gravity move at about the speed of light? (If by "gravitic drive" you mean a sort of artificial gravity inducement or elimination of?)

Regardless, the simple answer, that requires no explanation is always stated in my signature line: A mass elimination drive.

The elimination of a vehicle's mass allows it to by-pass all of the natural physics that holds us within its grip at this stage of our technological development. That is why UFO are still a secret and will remain so until it is impossible to keep it so. It is the ultimate weapon plus being the gateway to the stars.

Originally posted by wirehead
So basically, what your post comes down to is that there's no conventional method that we know of that would allow interstellar travel.... so if interstellar travel is going to exist, it'll have to take the form of something that we know exactly nothing about, by definition. Not exactly a convincing argument for the reality of interstellar travel.

Well, I wouldn't exactly say that. They would "bend" space, which is much like a fabric. Long Interstellar flight would use a Worm Hole, probably a created, rather than a natural occurring one.
Wormholes and Time Travel

This kind of technology is billions of years old, and is used by races of Beings much higher on the evolutionary scale than humans. One just needs to understand that human beings are not the Masters of the Universe, and not the smartest crew in the Galaxy.

reply to post by SplitInfinity


Once the recent Neutrino study is confirmed, then we can start doing experiments, such as using neutrino based telescopes and see what kind of results we get there.

Seth Lloyd MIT

If the neutrinos are actually going faster than light, though, it might be possible to use them to communicate with the past, Lloyd said. You could send off a faster-than-light message to someone moving at a rapid velocity with respect to you. They could then bounce the faster-than-light message back, and it would arrive before the signal you sent to them.

One way to think of this is like a mirror, Lloyd said. You send a message to the mirror, and it reflects it back, but so quickly that "past you" is the one who receives it.

Source

The neutrinos move in a low mass "ghostly" state. If you design the outside of your space craft this way, these could be UFOS. A UFO hovers in the sky/space and the pilot "flips the switch" to the low mass "ghostly state" of the craft to begin the acceleration....To the observer around the ground, the UFO would look like it was entering a wormhole, because it basically would start moving lose all it's mass and disappear.

Michio Kaku

You are lighter than nothing, and you have negative width.

Source

Lighter than nothing? Reminds me of this ATS Thread Logic that will make you head spin.

Since we basically observed travel through the 4th dimension, now the question begs: What is the environment like in the 4th dimension? What is it like to travel in and out of? How strong would your craft have to be to safely protect humans?

Originally posted by Aliensun

Originally posted by SplitInfinity


Conventional propultion is not the way to travel interstellar distances....you need a GRAVITIC DRIVE.
Split Infinity

edit on 8-10-2011 by elevatedone because: (no reason given)

edit on 8-10-2011 by Asktheanimals because: Changed title from all caps. considering moviing to rants FTR

But doesn't gravity move at about the speed of light? (If by "gravitic drive" you mean a sort of artificial gravity inducement or elimination of?)

Regardless, the simple answer, that requires no explanation is always stated in my signature line: A mass elimination drive.

The elimination of a vehicle's mass allows it to by-pass all of the natural physics that holds us within its grip at this stage of our technological development. That is why UFO are still a secret and will remain so until it is impossible to keep it so. It is the ultimate weapon plus being the gateway to the stars.

edit on 9-10-2011 by Aliensun because: (no reason given)

I am sorry I did not see this post before. Gravity is just Space/Time Geometry that advanced E.T. craft can litterally bend or warp space/time to an extent to completely elliminate distance.

What is the shortest distance between two points? The answer is...in a ONE DIMENTIONAL STATE NO DISTANCE AT ALL. E.T. craft do not use a form of propultion....they use a a method of representing a SUPER EXTREME CURVATURE in space/time by way of creating a Singularity. This is very similar to the creation of a BLACKHOLE.

Matter and Energy are interchangable thus if you can generate enough energy....the Universe will treat it as a large amount of MASS and curve space/time to the point that a point 1000 lightyears away from Earth would be the same point 1000 miles away from Earth. Split Infinity

Originally posted by game over man
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Once the recent Neutrino study is confirmed, then we can start doing experiments, such as using neutrino based telescopes and see what kind of results we get there.

Seth Lloyd MIT

If the neutrinos are actually going faster than light, though, it might be possible to use them to communicate with the past, Lloyd said. You could send off a faster-than-light message to someone moving at a rapid velocity with respect to you. They could then bounce the faster-than-light message back, and it would arrive before the signal you sent to them.

One way to think of this is like a mirror, Lloyd said. You send a message to the mirror, and it reflects it back, but so quickly that "past you" is the one who receives it.

Source

The neutrinos move in a low mass "ghostly" state. If you design the outside of your space craft this way, these could be UFOS. A UFO hovers in the sky/space and the pilot "flips the switch" to the low mass "ghostly state" of the craft to begin the acceleration....To the observer around the ground, the UFO would look like it was entering a wormhole, because it basically would start moving lose all it's mass and disappear.

Michio Kaku

You are lighter than nothing, and you have negative width.

Source

Lighter than nothing? Reminds me of this ATS Thread Logic that will make you head spin.

Since we basically observed travel through the 4th dimension, now the question begs: What is the environment like in the 4th dimension? What is it like to travel in and out of? How strong would your craft have to be to safely protect humans?

You are confusing the concept that there could be a Universe of just the 4th Dimention. 4-D cannot exist without all the other dimentional states....minimum of at the VERY LEAST....9 others.

A single dimentional Universe would not allow matter to exist....however....all individual dimentional states must be connected and thus partialy goverend by the other. This is why Gravity....basicly an expresion of a ONE DIMENTIONALITY....exists in our Universe. Split Infinity

i agree, its annoying when people are so adamant about these things, either way, to say that it is definately happening or definately not happening is just stupid as we dont know either way