I am beginning to discover that there are certain people who, at any given time, embody the knowledge of God as the loving heart of the world.
Jesus obviously comes immediately to mind, as would Krishna, or Buddha.
Through my "investigations", I have come across a man who went by the name of Meher Baba. In him, I recognize the heart of the world or world avatar,
but I have no need to "follow him" or worship him, being already a Christian mystic. In other words, the heart of the world as the spirit of truth and
love, is already accessible to me through my gnosis of the truth of the love of God in the person of Jesus. That's just simply what works for me.
But I know that people are always seeking someone (and that for many, becauise of "Churchianity" they just can't allow themselves to make of Jesus the
ideal model of human perfection and God realization), someone to "go to" or to examine for this unique and special quality of being a "Godman", and so
therefore, it is on this basis that I draw your attention to this particular individual, not to draw attention away from anyone or anything else,
since there is but one God of love to begin with as the condition of an eternal truth and reality on the other side of all our illusion and delusion,
but as an example of what many consider the "Avatar of the Age" for your scrutiny and analysis, maybe even, who knows, for your own eventual
Interestingly, this too is Baba's message, who in referring to himself, is imo, referring to this same truth and reality with whom he came to
identify, not unlike Jesus Christ and others, although true and authentic ones are surely very rare and far and few between (or maybe not..?)
Here in the West, the "faith" based talk almost all seems to be that which is talked about by "men of God", who talk ABOUT God in terms of being a
separate entity, a "skyGod" if you will, forever above us, however loving such a God might be, but more like the God of the OT, than the personal one
of the NT.
In the East, there is of course Buddhism, which does not speak of any such being, but which at the same time, does not acknowledge the "personhood" of
God realization. There is no unique, particular human being, except Buddha I guess, as the realization, that ah, no one is "anyone" in particular.
It's a not nothing which is nothing special or an "unexcelled enlightenment" (Buddha's own description for "it"), which to me sounds like nothing but
a good starting point maybe, since there is always SOMEHTING to do, and some desire and in fact a continual flow of desire motivating the human heart,
to create, nurture, and grow.
In India, there are of course as many so-called enlightened "Godmen" as theie are individual Gods.
However, from time to time, an authentic person appears through whom "God" seem to become much more transparent in their person and their
character. Meher Baba is, I have become convinced, personally, one of those unique people.
And are there any which you are certain about, that you think of as a boni fide "Avatar" of the age, aside from Jesus Christ who's life and death we
count our calendar by (and who I very much believe in and love myself).
And do you think there are any "Godmen" among us?
I've heard that by one tradition, it is believed that there are ALWAYS at least FIVE at any given time, living. I sure hope so, because these days, we
can certainly use as many Godmen as is humanly possible!
Personally, I think the "Heart of the World" is beginning to incarnate within and among us, ever more, as our individual and collective suffering
leads to conscious suffering, leads to eventual God realization, as the end of suffering (of the existential variety) and the end of evil, as a world
passing away. At the same time, however, I do not believe, as Jesus himself stated, that anyone will be able to point in any particular direction and
say "there he is!" or "here he comes", or "I am he".
At best I think it's a "we" thing now, from here on in, and these people, in ancient times called "Prophets", they've always been imo, like a remnant,
or a "last resort", stalwarts of great courage, wisdom and understanding,, who's continual presence in the world, keeps the principal alive, even if
at times, it may seem like a candle fluttering rather precariously, and dangerously close to being snuffed out, in the wind of chaos and confusion,
ignorance, and all manner of stupidity and every other absurd nonsense which is simply unworkable.
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My only quesiton is - how do you reconcile that POV with the unique qualia of your own experience. Is there nothing deeper than this superficial
interpretation based on the subjective surface experience of the sensory imput of the five senses? Are we nothing but "things" however complex?
The Hindu's have something called "Brahmavidya" or "The Supreme Science" of Yogic Meditation and inward contemplation, which they practised for 1000's
of years - were their pronouncements just the deluded ramblings of confused "meaning making machines"?
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Were it not for people such as this, the world would have been robbed of it's greatest treasures. I thoroughly enjoyed the videos as this is my
first experience with this man. Love radiates from his face, and he cannot hide it. Thank you for posting...
What about Osiris? Please don't forget about him. He was very similar to Jesus and predates him.
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There are stories written by Greek writers who say that Osiris led a group of chosen people out of Ethiopia, as a colony to start the Ancient Egyptian
civilization. Maybe Osiris was actually a real person who achieved Godhood. Similar to Imhotep who achieved that same divine status.
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I find the "Infinite Intelligence" manuscript he dictated quite interesting.
Basically, he's saying that thinking, leads to imagination, and that imagination grows to infinity, where it must be destroyed or dissolved in
This makes sense, if we consider that all knowledge resides in the realm of an unknown unknown, whereby even what we think we know, and what we know
we don't know, comprises only the most finite slice of understanding, if that!
A human can be a 'guru' (a guide). The correct word in Sanskrit is 'Acharya'.
An 'Acharya' is considered a 'deva', a person to be given supreme respect. The respect is given by following the education given by the
'Acharya'. The physical manifestations are 'dandavat pranam', washing feet with water etc. to show respect.
Worshipping a human ('Upasana') is strictly prohibited in Veda. Only formless God is the object of 'upasana'.
If you are meaning persons that have awoken/become enlightened then there is a lot of us right now. I know of me and one other that I have physicly
met. I can see awoken artist in the song lyrics but you probably don't see it because you are not looking for it. You find All(ah) is one on the
facebook from the muslims. I read books from enlightened people. I have talked to people on ATS that is definetly had Satori longer that me. And there
is a lot more that if they are not awoken yeet then they will be soon. Check youtube for some more enlightened. There are people that belive we are
more than a million of us and they are probably right. I don't go around telling all the people that I have an opened crown chakra and can feel
energy thru it. What is the point? You would not belive us and I don't wanna end up in a straightjacket. I do what my intuition tells me to. Little
random acts of kindness and channeling energy thru my body all day. When I told a friend that I had been thru something that gave me proof that there
is something more he asked me if I thought I was Jesus . Im am definetly not Jesus and would never wanna be him. I love being me and would not give
it up for anything. Just so you know it some of the crazy people in your mental hospitals are enlightened too but they where not able to stay in a
reality that is close to the one we others share. Or choose not to be in a reality that is close to us. We all create our own reality. The funny thing
of enlightment is that you understand that what you belive to be true reality is probably false. It does not matter. You don't have to be right. Go
with the instinct that god have given you. Or as I call it The One that is All. Thank you all for being a part of god and living at this time. Namaste
I cannot watch the videos, unfortunately, but I am soothed very much by what you have to say by the hope and love it represents when I see so little
of that, and it's one of main reasons I read what is expressed on this site. I find great communion with the principles of Gnosticism, myself, and in
answer to your primary questions, I hope there are many such around and within us. For I think for the vision of what you and I, and many others, see
and still hope for, that falling away of evil and the path of usery of the best of us, but instead glorification of the best in us to make the best of
what we can be, our future and a new environment or world, that it will take many such as you describe, each able to reach and resonate within the
many of us and our divergent personalities, experiences, able to soothe our many pains and points of views and djssatisfactions, which will of course
be the pressure that necessitates the coming together for the "falling away" to happen.
There is much talk of our "oneness.". I do not mean to demean the concept of unity, but at what price? Must we all be the same to have peace and
appreciation for one another? I am a believer in equal value, but this does not mean to me sameness, nor lack of individuality, for I think this
denigrates the struggle and different place that each of us come from, though we are no less valuable. That being the case, it will take different,
less sacred and meaningful examples of "god men" and women, to bring us all to a place of agreement in times where there is so little agreement. In
our history, unity has usually meant at the expense of an identified blame, a target to be pointed at for equal derision and hatred......take Nazi
Germany and the identified culprits, the Jews. It is a challenge for our Species to get beyond the need for a targeted blame to unite against, and to
unite regardless of our differences and without a target. I think this will be the mark of our maturity as a species to truly evolve and go beyond
both space and time of where we are now and our own enslavement.
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That one in particular a wise one wouldn't even get near, I'm sure some would agree. What "me" is he talking about? And if he's constantly
improving on his path, whatever "me" is constantly changing. A lot of that is idolatry. Muhammad comes to mind at well, saying not to worship him.
"I look forward to the love which enables the individual to obey me, so he can become me."
You can't become someone else. There's no way to know what "me" he's talking about. It's bloated and false.
"Obeying" doesn't do anything, like the Buddha said, test things out for yourself.
"a person who loves me, can move the whole world."
The problem here is similar to orthodox Christianity. They externalize it and worship the church, or in this case, externalize it and worship a
person. Both tend to be mindless.
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It’s hard to think with a head full of rain. They have nailed me to the cross oak and when I walk I drag it behind me. I am the electric Messiah,
descender, locked away in this dark room, in this dark century they have maimed and imprisoned the divine king. Is it any wonder the world sickens and
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Unity in variety, and love in freedom. It canot be any other way.
That said, there is a supra-human being, as a way of being, which authentically reflects the person of the Godhead. This human being is the one who is
We each of us have our own uniqyue personal spiritual experience, born out of the circumstances of our own lives.
Where we are "in one accord", is in our love, our love of God (even as an unknown unknown and therefore unknowable, except in terms of a loving
relationship with love itself!), and then, by divine proportion and extension, our love for one another, whereby we may also love as we are loved by
God. This is about the only thing I know, since I know there is such a thing as this loving compassion, it lives in me and I see it in others (on the
other side of their insecurities if need be), and since one cannot surely reserve our love only for those who love us, that's not love at all!
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