Originally posted by SuperiorEd
reply to post by nakiannunaki
The fruit of knowledge could be gained by walking with God in the garden (earth), or walking on his own in toil with the land. Satan is the enemy
of God and set out to use man as a proxy against God to find the keys to the tree of life. Satan knew he would be unable to get to the tree of life
apart from man. God's plan for us was to walk with us in the garden to find His knowledge and eventually have the keys to creation.
This is just your opinion and spectulation. The Genisis story doesn't say anything about the fruit of the tree being available to man through any
other means but eating of it. There isn't even any indication that Satan was in the garden at all. We only know of a subtile serpent, who was cursed
to crawl on his belly, and that his seed would create emnity with Eve and between his offspring and Eve's offspring. Is Satan crawling on his belly?
No, according to the Book of Job, he is walking up and down the Earth. Does Satan have an offspring from his seed? No, Satan doesn't procreate live
When it says that God was walking in the garden and man was hiding behind the metaphorical fig leaf of sin and nakedness, this represented man making
the choice to live in pride with Satan. Satan's plan and reason for falling from heaven was that he placed himself above God as creator. God
banished him to earth. Mankind becomes his proxy to get to the knowledge that was originally meant for man.
Again, this is your opinion. The Bible says nothing of Adam and Eve's choice to live in pride with Satan. On the contrary, it says that they were
Satan is not mentioned in the book of Genisis at all. Satan did not need mankind to be his proxy to steal knowledge that was meant for man. This is
speculation and opinion. Not Scripture!
For Satan, this is a jealousy issue. Man was meant to receive knowledge and eventually find a place above the angels. This was the entire reason for
Satan's rebellion. What was God still doing when man fell? He was still walking with man, even when man was walking away and hiding. God's plan was
for Satan to be the main tool of His teaching to us. Apart from an adversary to overcome, there is no free will. Apart from both good and evil, we
are remote controlled vehicles. With the ability to choose, we then develop sentience and the ability to be autonomous as artificial creations. The
universe is an image created for us to experience opposites. .
How do you come up with this stuff?
We know that God is jealous, because he says so in the Bible. We have nothing from Satan or about Satan being jealous.
God planned for Satan to trick us, so that he (God) could teach us? That's some after the fact reasoning that isn't biblical AT ALL!
Choosing, the ablility to choose, is what makes sentience develope, but we are artificial creations? Where do you get this nutty stuff? There is no
free will without an adversary? Poppycock! I can choose to have my eggs scrambled or over easy, or no eggs at all and have cereal for breakfast.
There is no adversary in my breakfast choice.
WOW, the universe is an image created for us, to experience opposites?????? How do you know? Where is that in the Bible?
We are remote controlled vehicles, then why should we be judged and sent to hell, if we have no free will and just robots being controlled by either
God or Satan?
When we find that love is the key to living in the kingdom of God, we then transpose the mortal coil for true reality
The only love that is expressed in the Old Testament is sexual love, not Godly love, but Godly war, murder rape and robbery are abundant.
Sounds to me like you just make it up as you go, to make it fit when you are confonted by intelligent questioning concerning this fairy tale.
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