Could the uprisings be the "end of an age" the Mayan calendar was referring to?

There have been uprisings on every day of every week of every year throughout history.....

Since the beginning of man, and maybe the beginning of time.....

Why would the current happenings be special?...Because we're here to witness them?

reply to post by OneEleven


Course there have - but all at one time?
How many times in your lifetime have you known uprisings in so many countries, at the same time.
I know I cannot recall such instances in the past 20 years?

The Mayans have no predictions for 2012, which is actually when the long count calendar ends. They did not predict a great change or anything else. There simply are no predictions. Please see the pinned thread for information on no associated prophecies.

Other Mayan calendar predicted events in a cyclical fashion. One of the calendars predicts a smaller corn and squash crop.

There is no "end of age" message from the Mayans. That idea is a New Age claim. It became a hoax when it was claimed that it came from the ancient Mayans.

Originally posted by stereologist
The Mayans have no predictions for 2012, which is actually when the long count calendar ends. They did not predict a great change or anything else. There simply are no predictions. Please see the pinned thread for information on no associated prophecies.

Other Mayan calendar predicted events in a cyclical fashion. One of the calendars predicts a smaller corn and squash crop.

There is no "end of age" message from the Mayans. That idea is a New Age claim. It became a hoax when it was claimed that it came from the ancient Mayans.

which is it? no predictions
or cyclical ones?
from what i can tell from my readings
the mayans believed that all history was cyclical
and that what happens in 2012 can be likened to the ending of a chapter
in a book that loops in on itself

i'm naturally quite skeptically disposed towards anyone making 'predictions'
especially an old race who foresaw so much but failed to mention their own demise [?]
but
these protests, this movement
have potential to really be the greatest single step forward we as a race have taken.
if it does all line up
then it will look all neat and pretty in the history books
if it doesn't
well
i think it far more important to be making a positive change
for all of us

reply to post by facchino


the financial sector is imploding due to unsustainable greed.

the USSR went broke and brought the troops home in 1990s, the USA will eventually face the same dilema.

every skyscaper is a white elephant, costing a fortune to build and maintain, while producing nothing.

endless growth to pay interest on IOUs is unsustainable.

the world leaders, generals, bankers, vice presidents can go and play golf, their reality is crumbling.

no one knows the future, but the forest of History is on fire.

lets hope future generations have someting to beleive in.

reply to post by decepticonLaura

which is it? no predictions
or cyclical ones?

The Mayans did not see history as cyclic. They had a linear view of time. We can see that because of the long count calendar. That calendar is a linear calendar meaning that it never repeats. Every day is assigned a unique increasing number.

Cyclical time is one in which the sequence of events begins again. In ancient times this would be the actual return to a time of chaos and the rebirth of the order of the universe.

The Mayans did have some cyclical calendars. In fact they had a lot of different calendars. One of these is the long count. There are no prophecies associated with the long count. The squash/corn prophecy comes from one of the other calendars.

The New Age claims began in North America, were taken to Central America, and now people point to the comments from Central America claiming that these statements are of ancient origin. They are not.

reply to post by citizen6511

the USSR went broke and brought the troops home in 1990s, the USA will eventually face the same dilema.

The USSR had a different economic model. Notice how China has moved to a capitalist model.

every skyscaper is a white elephant, costing a fortune to build and maintain, while producing nothing.

Then how do you explain the existence of these across the globe? They are everywhere from large cities to small cities. Are you trying to claim that the entire world has been tricked into building these structures?

no one knows the future, but the forest of History is on fire.

So are you saying that anything the Maya stated is not of interest to us? Even if they had made prophecies about 2012, which they did not do, should not be believed?

reply to post by stereologist

Maya concepts of time With the development of the place-notational Long Count calendar (believed to have been inherited from other Mesoamerican cultures), the Maya had an elegant system with which events could be recorded in a linear relationship to one another, and also with respect to the calendar ("linear time") itself. In theory, this system could readily be extended to delineate any length of time desired, by simply adding to the number of higher-order place markers used (and thereby generating an ever-increasing sequence of day-multiples, each day in the sequence uniquely identified by its Long Count number). In practice, most Maya Long Count inscriptions confine themselves to noting only the first five coefficients in this system (a b'ak'tun-count), since this was more than adequate to express any historical or current date (20 b'ak'tuns cover 7,885 solar years). Even so, example inscriptions exist which noted or implied lengthier sequences, indicating that the Maya well understood a linear (past-present-future) conception of time. However, and in common with other Mesoamerican societies, the repetition of the various calendric cycles, the natural cycles of observable phenomena, and the recurrence and renewal of death-rebirth imagery in their mythological traditions were important influences upon Maya societies. This conceptual view, in which the "cyclical nature" of time is highlighted, was a pre-eminent one, and many rituals were concerned with the completion and re-occurrences of various cycles. As the particular calendric configurations were once again repeated, so too were the "supernatural" influences with which they were associated. Thus it was held that particular calendar configurations had a specific "character" to them, which would influence events on days exhibiting that configuration. Divinations could then be made from the auguries associated with a certain configuration, since events taking place on some future date would be subject to the same influences as its corresponding previous cycle dates. Events and ceremonies would be timed to coincide with auspicious dates, and avoid inauspicious ones.[10] The completion of significant calendar cycles ("period endings"), such as a k'atun-cycle, were often marked by the erection and dedication of specific monuments (mostly stela inscriptions, but sometimes twin-pyramid complexes such as those in Tikal and Yaxha), commemorating the completion, accompanied by dedicatory ceremonies. A cyclical interpretation is also noted in Maya creation accounts, in which the present world and the humans in it were preceded by other worlds (one to five others, depending on the tradition) which were fashioned in various forms by the gods, but subsequently destroyed. The present world also had a tenuous existence, requiring the supplication and offerings of periodic sacrifice to maintain the balance of continuing existence. Similar themes are found in the creation accounts of other Mesoamerican societies.[11]

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To predict the future, all you have to do is look at the past, for the future is a reflection of the past.

reply to post by dn4cer2000


We live in a linear society and yet each year there are religious festivals. The difference is that we commemorate events from the past. In a cyclical culture you actually are transformed back to those times to experience those events and experience a rebirth of the world. The world grows and flourishes and in the end collapses back towards the chaos from which it was born. Then the world exits from the chaos to begin a cycle of birth and life. It's not a reenactment of last year. It is the same time.

The past is used as a guide. You can learn from your own experiences and also from the experiences of others. The past is not a reflection of the future. It is what it is - the past. It is a body of learning and experience that can be studied. It can be used to avoid making similar mistakes and to also take positive towards the future.

Ive figured out why there calender ends in 2012

On 'Quetzalcoatl's' temple in Peru, the one with the stairs and the 9 levels of consciousness. I do recall somewhere inside mentioning 2012 and a peak happening here.

The new age comes from the Hopi Indians.
-man will have 2 choices, a life of materialism or a life of simplicity/love.
If many take the road of materialism the new age will come in great suffering.
Otherwise the new age will come a lot smoother.

reply to post by hoonsince89

On 'Quetzalcoatl's' temple in Peru, the one with the stairs and the 9 levels of consciousness. I do recall somewhere inside mentioning 2012 and a peak happening here.

This sounds like a mix up with some of the fake Mayan claims from Calleman.

Originally posted by stereologist
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On 'Quetzalcoatl's' temple in Peru, the one with the stairs and the 9 levels of consciousness. I do recall somewhere inside mentioning 2012 and a peak happening here.

This sounds like a mix up with some of the fake Mayan claims from Calleman.

Could well be, haven't researched it great length.

reply to post by hoonsince89


The reason I asked is that Calleman talks about 9 ages of consciousness. He also mistakenly claims all Mayan pyramids have 9 steps. He is the one that makes mistakes pointing to monument 6 at Tortuguero and stating its contents and interpretation.

The belief that the world has multiple incarnations, or goes through different ages comes from the post-Colonial era. If one looks at the actual construction of the Long Count and numerous Classic era monuments it becomes clear that this belief is not a traditional belief of the Maya. Instead they seem to have believed that time was linear with no breaks.

I would like to add to Xcalibur254's post that often New Agers mix the beliefs of Aztecs into Mayan beliefs.

And what if it was? I think you might have asked the million dollar question here bro and I'd say you're right. but not only is the change coming from within out, but Imma link an ATS thread that has an interview with David Wilcock and Benjamin Fulford and say what you will about Wilcock, but I've actually checked some of the facts that Fulford states and they were true and there's also a thread that shows the USGS reports of Colorado and Virginia and not only are they exactly the same way, but it looks just like he said it would...so just give the interview a chance and then prepare like a snake for the chance to strike and help bring it down and/or prepare for what's in store for the future...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by agentofchaos


Isn't the story that was originally published by Sorcha Faal? Not to mention that the seismograph readings actually don't look like what would be expected from a nuclear explosion. These were natural earthquakes. I know at least for the one in Virginia it wasn't unprecedented and occurred exactly where one would expect an earthquake to occur.

reply to post by agentofchaos


I'd never expect Wilcock to tell the truth about anything. He has a career built on being a charlatan.

The Virginia quake was a natural quake on an active fault line. There have been many quakes before and after. The signature was not that of a nuke.

Strange isn't it.

After centuries and centuries of struggle and even millions of years of social and biological evolution farther back in time, its like now we are reaching a point where we can visibly see the rise of human intelligence year by year. We are outgrowing our society and every time we outgrow it, we begin outgrowing the next one even faster.

Intellectual singularity? Is this what is happening? It better happen quick because the world is getting smaller.