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Why is everyone afraid of a place called HELL?

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posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by Glockroshin
If you burn in Hell for eternity,why does the Bible say that "the saints" shall tread on the ashes of the wicked on the new Earth?


Glock, can you refer me to the Bible verse that you're talking about?




posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by Lazarus Short

Originally posted by Glockroshin
Where do Christians go when they die?


They go in the grave like everybody else. Resurrection comes later.


I don't necessarily agree with this one. The Bible talks of Hades being Hell, so there has to be a place for the saved to go before the resurrection. I believe it to be "Paradise" as written in the Bible. 2 Corinthians 12 also talks about Paul's vision of a third heaven. After the final judgement, those in Hell with be thrown in the lake of fire and those in Paradise will go to heaven. This is my opinion.


Before I say this,I want you to know that I am in no way mocking or arguing with you,ok? If the saints are in Heaven now,and Jesus comes back for the living saints...Does Jesus whisper to the ones that are in Heaven to jump back into their graves so they can be resurrected and the first to meet Him in the sky?



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by Glockroshin

Originally posted by Lazarus Short

Originally posted by Glockroshin
Where do Christians go when they die?

I wanted to know this because most believe they are in Heaven...But the Bible says "the dead in Christ shall rise first"....

They go in the grave like everybody else. Resurrection comes later.

edit on 8-10-2011 by Glockroshin because: I don't know how to quote and post my reply outside the quote box


The dead bodies will rise and reunite with it's soul at the time of the second coming. Until then, the saved souls are kept in "Paradise". I believe at the time the bodies and souls reunite they transform into a "heavenly body".
edit on 8-10-2011 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 02:07 PM
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Before I say this,I want you to know that I am in no way mocking or arguing with you,ok? If the saints are in Heaven now,and Jesus comes back for the living saints...Does Jesus whisper to the ones that are in Heaven to jump back into their graves so they can be resurrected and the first to meet Him in the sky?


I'm hoping my latest post will help. I believe saved souls are kept in a place called "Paradise" until Jesus returns to reunite their souls with their bodies. I believe the bodies are then transformed into "heavenly bodies" and are prepared to go to Heaven. I don't believe anyone actually enters into Heaven until after the Great White Throne Judgement.
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So, saved souls before the judgement go to Paradise before they go to Heaven. And lost souls go to Hades/Hell before it is cast in the lake of fire.
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posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by Minori
reply to post by Deetermined
 


I was trying to find the bible verse where they talk about God giving Satan equal time to reign.
Are you familiar with it??? It is driving me mad that I can't remember where it is at.............


I've seen that verse too and i know what youre talking about. I believe this link may share some insight into it.

www.bible-history.com...

Basically Satan was the primal "god of this air" after the fall of the adama and eve who were originally given dominion over this earth. After they fell into sin their dominion became Satan's dominion, although his rule had been dealt a death blow by Jesus Christ and is in a weakened state. He still can influence the world, but he must go through the Lord before he can do anything to the Lord's children. This ofcourse doesn't include those who haven't been saved and accepted Christ as Lord and Savior. So basically if youre not saved you still belong to Satan, and he can use you to whatever ends he has to test God's children within the Lord's permission, and you can be possessed by demons because you are not possessed by the Holy Spirit whom will not allow any foul spirits to defile His temple (the believers).

Ever notice you don't see a true follower of Christ ever being possessed? Its because the Holy Spirit dwells within us and He will not share his temple with any other entity, meaning He will not let them into us, He bars the way in. The demons (fallen ones/fallen angels) can still harass us if allowed by the Lord to test our faith, but they cannot kill us and Jesus has given us authority over them to cast them out, so theyre basically just an annoyance to us, like a rather bothresome horse fly that will just not go away until you squash it with a swatter.



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 02:13 PM
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reply to post by Deetermined
 


What happens to people who are cremated??
What if there is no "body" for the soul to reunite with??



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by Glockroshin

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Lazarus Short
 
OR . .
You can figure out that Revelation is metaphorical with no indication that it should be taken in any other way.



The book of Daniel unlocks the book of revelations...In revelations it speaks about beasts coming out of waters...In Daniel it says that a beast is a power,and waters are people...Revelations also says that those who have the mark of the beast will not make it to heaven...Some say that they will burn in Hell for having the mark of the beast...If a beast is a power,and you can receive it's mark upon your forehead and also on your hand...Who is the beast?(power) What kind of power can stop your mind from obeying Gods Commandments and believing in Him? Remember,your forehead is the seat to your mind=(what you believe or follow,or obey)...your hand is(you do not believe but will go along wiht it just to be able to buy or sell)...What about "The Seal of God" written upon the saints forehead only?


Glock, here's a great website and link to help answer all of your questions. This particular link is regarding the Mark of the Beast.

www.gotquestions.org...



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 02:15 PM
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I'm sorry, the Bible doesn't say anything about a second resurrection from the second death. If you have a verse that I'm not aware of leading to this conclusion, please share. Thanks!

Romans 10:9 - "9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."

Saved from what? Could that be from the second death?
You left off the rest of the sentence.
There is a break there between verses but the sentence includes verses 9 and 10. Paul is showing a cause and effect relationship between being a confessing believer, and salvation.
Verse 10 continues the thought by saying, 'for with the heart one believes to righteousness, and with the mouth confesses to salvation'.
So there is a key operative in this equation, which is your belief causing you to become righteous.


edit on 8-10-2011 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by RightInTwo

Originally posted by tinfoilman
God is perfectly willing to judge you based on your works if you choose. God does give you a choice. You can choose not to ask Jesus, and simply be judged by your own works if you want. In some cases God will even allow you to use YOUR OWN SET OF RULES and judge you by your OWN standards. Especially in cases of people that have never had access to the Bible to learn the rules.


Just out of curiousity, tinfoilman, where did your theology come from? Because I certainly don't believe it's biblical.


You have to look up Biblical discussions on how God has written his law on the hearts of all people. So, that not having access to the Bible is no excuse and will not save you from Hell. You will still be judged by the moral code written on your heart. But it does not matter by what moral code a person is judged by.

If you're judged at all you will fail and go to Hell. Don't bother. Jesus is the savior and he saves us from the JUDGMENT. Everyone knows Jesus is the savior. Very few people ever ask what he is saving us from. He's saving us from the JUDGMENT of Hell.

You can simply repent and ask Jesus to save you and avoid the judgment all together and you don't have to worry about it anymore. Stop being obsessed with being judged. Simply say the Sinner's Prayer and ask Jesus to help you avoid the judgment all together. He will wipe your slate clean.
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posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by Glockroshin

Originally posted by Lazarus Short

Originally posted by Glockroshin
Where do Christians go when they die?

I wanted to know this because most believe they are in Heaven...But the Bible says "the dead in Christ shall rise first"....

They go in the grave like everybody else. Resurrection comes later.

edit on 8-10-2011 by Glockroshin because: I don't know how to quote and post my reply outside the quote box


The dead bodies will rise and reunite with it's soul at the time of the second coming. Until then, the saved souls are kept in "Paradise". I believe at the time the bodies and souls reunite they transform into a "heavenly body".
edit on 8-10-2011 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)


Uh, no i don't quite think so. The resurrection is of your spirit, not your flesh. Your body dies and is planted in the ground and it brings forth your spirit, much like how a wheat germ is planted and then become a whole new sheaf of wheat.

This link might help:
www.gotquestions.org...

Your dead body will not rise because it returns to the dust. The new body you get never ages or grows old and never dies. In essence you get the body of an angel. There will be no zombies bursting out of their graves. You do not get your old flesh back because it is corruptible and will be destroyed in the presence of the Lord.

gracethrufaith.com...

gracethrufaith.com...


edit on 8-10-2011 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by Minori
reply to post by Deetermined
 


What happens to people who are cremated??
What if there is no "body" for the soul to reunite with??


God created Adam from the dust of the earth. I believe that if a person is cremated, that it's body will be resurrected to it's full form at the time of the Resurrection.



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by Minori
reply to post by Deetermined
 


What happens to people who are cremated??
What if there is no "body" for the soul to reunite with??


God created Adam from the dust of the earth. I believe that if a person is cremated, that it's body will be resurrected to it's full form at the time of the Resurrection.


No that is a lie, see my posts and the links therein please. You are decieving yourself if you think you get your old body back. once your former flesh is gone, it is not resurrected, you get a new body that is incorruptible and will not die and never age. You also get a new name.
edit on 8-10-2011 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by Glockroshin
How you worship determands who you worship=(or obey and follow).Speaking about Hell and end times,the Bible says"Many are called but few were chosen,as it was in the day of Noah,when only eight were saved"...For some reason,it's saying only a few make it.


I guess if you added up the number of all the people that ever lived on the earth, it might appear that way. However,

Revelation 7:9 says, "After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands."



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by Glockroshin

Originally posted by Lazarus Short

Originally posted by Glockroshin
Where do Christians go when they die?

I wanted to know this because most believe they are in Heaven...But the Bible says "the dead in Christ shall rise first"....

They go in the grave like everybody else. Resurrection comes later.

edit on 8-10-2011 by Glockroshin because: I don't know how to quote and post my reply outside the quote box


The dead bodies will rise and reunite with it's soul at the time of the second coming. Until then, the saved souls are kept in "Paradise". I believe at the time the bodies and souls reunite they transform into a "heavenly body".
edit on 8-10-2011 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)


Uh, no i don't quite think so. The resurrection is of your spirit, not your flesh. Your body dies and is planted in the ground and it brings forth your spirit, much like how a wheat germ is planted and then become a whole new sheaf of wheat.

This link might help:
www.gotquestions.org...

Your dead body will not rise because it returns to the dust. The new body you get never ages or grows old and never dies. In essence you get the body of an angel. There will be no zombies bursting out of their graves. You do not get your old flesh back because it is corruptible and will be destroyed in the presence of the Lord.

gracethrufaith.com...

gracethrufaith.com...


edit on 8-10-2011 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)


I understand what you're saying, but I need some more help! Have you ever asked yourself whether or not the already saved will be on earth during the Millennium? Or is it only for those who are saved during the Great Tribulation? Will we all be living in "heavenly bodies" on earth? This is why I have questions about what form we will really be in and whether or not we'll be in the Millennium. I also have questions about who will be occupying the "New Earth" after the Millennium. Will the "New Earth" be our Heaven? Is the highest of Heaven only reserved for God himself? I know some things we will never know, but I would like any opinions on this one.

By the way, thanks to all for pointing this out and helping me to form new opinions. There's so many unanswered questions about what actually happens during the period after the Second Coming and until the Great White Throne Judgement.
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posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 03:03 PM
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Why does the Bible say that when you die,you sleep,they come to mourn your grave and you know nothing?



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by Glockroshin

Originally posted by Lazarus Short

Originally posted by Glockroshin
Where do Christians go when they die?

I wanted to know this because most believe they are in Heaven...But the Bible says "the dead in Christ shall rise first"....

They go in the grave like everybody else. Resurrection comes later.

edit on 8-10-2011 by Glockroshin because: I don't know how to quote and post my reply outside the quote box


The dead bodies will rise and reunite with it's soul at the time of the second coming. Until then, the saved souls are kept in "Paradise". I believe at the time the bodies and souls reunite they transform into a "heavenly body".
edit on 8-10-2011 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)


Uh, no i don't quite think so. The resurrection is of your spirit, not your flesh. Your body dies and is planted in the ground and it brings forth your spirit, much like how a wheat germ is planted and then become a whole new sheaf of wheat.

This link might help:
www.gotquestions.org...

Your dead body will not rise because it returns to the dust. The new body you get never ages or grows old and never dies. In essence you get the body of an angel. There will be no zombies bursting out of their graves. You do not get your old flesh back because it is corruptible and will be destroyed in the presence of the Lord.

gracethrufaith.com...

gracethrufaith.com...


edit on 8-10-2011 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)


I understand what you're saying, but I need some more help! Have you ever asked yourself whether or not the already saved will be on earth during the Millennium? Or is it only for those who are saved during the Great Tribulation? Will we all be living in "heavenly bodies" on earth? This is why I have questions about what form we will really be in and whether or not we'll be in the Millennium. I also have questions about who will be occupying the "New Earth" after the Millennium. Will the "New Earth" be our Heaven? Is the highest of Heaven only reserved for God himself? I know some things we will never know, but I would like any opinions on this one.

By the way, thanks to all for pointing this out and helping me to form new opinions. There's so many unanswered questions about what actually happens during the period after the Second Coming and until the Great White Throne Judgement.
edit on 8-10-2011 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)


But the Bible says that you receive the gift of everlasting life on the day of judgment.Lucifer was the one that said"ye shall surely not die".



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 03:19 PM
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Glock, I don't understand what you're saying here. Please elaborate more. The afterlife is eternal whether you spend it in Heaven or spend it in Hell. However, the Bible says that Hell is the second death.
edit on 8-10-2011 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Glockroshin
 


Glock, I don't understand what you're saying here. Please elaborate more. The afterlife is eternal whether you spend it in Heaven or spend it in Hell. However, the Bible says that Hell is the second death.
edit on 8-10-2011 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)


From what I read from the good book...The only everlasting life is in Heaven...only....Please go to you tube and look up Kenneth Cox...He has a gift when it comes to studying the Bible. He covers a lot of subjects...I grew up being taught that Hell is real and everlasting...If Hell is the torture of sinners forever while I'm in Heaven,then I would rather go to Hell IMHO.



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by Glockroshin
Why does the Bible say that when you die,you sleep,they come to mourn your grave and you know nothing?


Because your body is dead and your spirit is not there anymore. When you die your spirit goes to heaven to wait until the resurrection day.



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by Glockroshin
Why does the Bible say that when you die,you sleep,they come to mourn your grave and you know nothing?


Because your body is dead and your spirit is not there anymore. When you die your spirit goes to heaven to wait until the resurrection day.


Then your spirit is shot back into your grave so you can come out of the ground to meet Jesus in the sky?




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