99%? Who wants to be a part of the 100%?

I sorta feel like Sarah Palin, and that really sucks...being from Alaska....but *anywho*

With the news from Egypt today, the violence and the Christian vs Muslim stuff....I have to wonder

How's that Arab Spring model working for OWS now? I mean that was one of their points of *the movement* right? People saying we need to not let our Arab brothers and sister get too far ahead of us...

So THIS is where they want to go???

I'll pass, thanks

Originally posted by Honor93

No. The Constitution protected the rights of the ppl / states for nearly 100yrs before the civil war broke out. the war originated over state's rights (taxes, anyone?) and Lincoln wasn't about to suffer the stigma of secession occurring on his watch ... hence, the civil war.

It was Lincoln's Marxist policies that brought forth the secession presentations to Congress.
(kinda like the environment of today).
are you even aware that Lincoln was a self-professed communist ??
Lincoln / Marx
a good read
msm / Time

Abraham Lincoln gave us the greenbacks debt free from the bankers in europe. I guess in that regard you consider him "marxist"? And no I don't think the civil war started because of taxes but cause of slavery.

this is another reason why the left/right paradigm is no longer effective or useful.
You want to really piss off a Republican ??
remind them they were once RED ... as in communist ... as in Democrats ... as in the communist chameleon. It's been around almost as long as the US has been and switches parties almost as often as the candidates change underwear. they are representing IT, not us.

Communists want ppl to believe that communism is dead ... i would beg to differ.
IF it is sooooooo dead, why does Pelosi still invoke the words of Mao? Marx? Stalin?
it's all one big poker game exclusively dependent on who has the best "bluff".

What bullcrap!!! If communism is such a big threat then why the hell is NO NATION with the exception of North Korea communist? WHY are the north koreans CONSTANTLY STARVING and media demonises them day-in and day-out?

what you are discussing at the end of your post are "laws" ... not the Constitution.
Restore the Constitution and said "stupid laws" eliminate themselves.

I may not like MUCH of the USC but still it IS legislated law.

This is my argument ... start at the top and work our way down ... sweeping the streets only looks pretty ... it doesn't remove the dirt ground in. END the FED and the rest will fall into place, naturally.

End the FED and create competing private currencies? Can you imagine the confusion and instability that will ensue? We might as well leave the FED alone if we are going to make things worse. The only real solution would be to go back to the greenbacks and other countries will follow along dumping PRIVATE central banking.

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Correct. Thieves really do not want to see or face the people they stole from (Unless... they think they could rob them twice. )

Originally posted by beezzer

Hua.But. . . but. . . but. . . they "deserve it". They are the gimme-gimme-gimme crowd.

The idea, the concept of working towards a goal is as alien to them as diet soda is to Michael Moore.

Michael Moore looks like a diet soda drinker to me. Diet soda helps make people fat!

Ok, so that's my "funny" but my serious comment is this: Its not the "top 1%" who bother me, its the people who make money doing nothing, simply because they have the most money already. Its the people who are making crazy money because they control the people who make decisions which benefit them at the expense of others (i.e. Searle executives making tens of millions of dollars by poisoning the populace with aspartame, because they had an "in" with the federal government to override the FDA scientists, or bank executives making 3% on nearly every transaction in the economy in the form of "processing fees" when cash should work just fine.)

Yes, yes, people have the right to not drink neuro-toxin, fat-inducing, aka diet soda, and they have the right to pay cash for most things, but through trickery and marketing and lies, over 90% of the population doesn't know or understand the truth. So IMO, its not the "top 1%", and not even necessarily the "top 0.1%", but some portion of those people, with an inappropriate level of control, who are not doing things fairly or even reasonably to make their money. To those few who fit that category, I wish nothing but horrible, flesh-eating viruses upon them.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by NoHierarchy
BULL.

It was as CALL TO ACTION. There are no leaders, this is a Democratic movement.

Funded by unions? Moveon? PROVE IT. And no... donations for food and such don't count.

And in any case... Adbusters and Moveon are hardly some sinister force against freedom... they're actually more radically PRO-freedom than just about any group on the right.

edit on 9-10-2011 by NoHierarchy because: (no reason given)

*Yawn*
Pro-freedom?
Does that mean that moveon and adbusters now support personal responsibility, individuality, less government?

Didn't think so.

Yes they do. But no, they don't support your ridiculous, doublespeak buzzword versions of it.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Bull.
Conservatives are just serious about about the changes that need to be made.
Change the laws and you'll change the influences that Wall Street has on DC.

But all are cowards and spineless weasels in DC. So do your marches. Sing your chants.

Want real change?

Get people of integrity into office.

Republicans... of integrity? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, please tell me you did NOT just imply that!!

Where did I say republicans?
I said people of integrity.

You just assumed republicans.
Fail

You mentioned conservatives and I said please tell me you weren't implying Republicans. Stop being a moron.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

You really are f*cking brainwashed aren't you???????????

How much time have you spent in the military?
(and playing HALO doesn't count)

Oh right... I'm not a soldier so I "just wouldn't understand"... makes perfect sense.

I'm glad we can agree on ONE issue then.

No... we don't. You set up a completely invalid/straw-man argument. Instead of addressing my points, you pulled a cop-out argument. Sorry bub, but I'm much smarter than that. But obviously the majority of people obediently lobbing stars at your avatar aren't.

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I still cant decide if you are showing your age or your IQ

Many people do not agree with you, I don't see them insulting you with character assassination and the oh so mature name calling MO

Typical communist MO as well...

Anarchist, communist....fascist....

All have the same outcome but hopefully some day you will smarten up, or at least grow up

Live long and Prosper

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by daskakik

 

It isn't just the media painting a bad pic of the protest. The Protest Demands are your downfall...they are VERY socialistic in nature. NO ONE to the right of socialist or far left will ever get behind those demands.

How to take back the power you ask??? HOW is to UNITE, plain and simple....I mean seriously if there were to evolve from this protest or some one in the near future a movement that had an amendment or maybe not even that, maybe all they need is a list of demands but it has to appeal to MOST Americans...not just a small wedge of us. That's why I keep saying if you want the support of the older generation you are going to have to do it with and through the constitution.

Nothing else will unite this nation again.

A dictator might control it but that is not the same as being united. I do not want to lose the way of life Americans have enjoyed, messed up as it is it is a good life. And while I would agree there are some socialist countries with less regulation I would put to you to really look at their culture...what DON'T they have? Most countries in Europe are in a worse financial mess than we are and ours is BAD

Honestly though when I try to think of the best way to take back power it would be in the 10th Amendment and nullification

If there was a poll and you picked say the 5 most unconstitutional laws in the minds of the majority and started a movement to nullify them.... If people in every state were to petition the state governments in large enough numbers to propose nullification....how can the federal gov come down on every state???? They would have to show their cards and begin to fight the people....something they sure don't want to do, not while we are UNITED....

I am not saying just use the same old methods of the past few decades.... Get a solid plan the people will back and THEN protest..... if We The People all insist our state gov nullify all 5 chosen laws and protest with boots on the ground in every state.... people flooding all the state agencies with phone calls and emails.... I mean really, what are they gonna do?? If they are aggressive, all that will do is increase the ranks of people willing to get involved.... Not many will risk what all the founders risked though, which was their lives, goods and families....for the demands of OWS If you want the backing of the people you must represent EVERYONE'S interests not just your idea of whats groovy.

Whatever happens, unless we are united....any movement is doomed to fail, or worse bring about unintended and undesired results

wiki link to Nullification Crisis of 1832

en.wikipedia.org...

YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT SOCIALISM IS!!!! AND YOU HAVE THIS MISGUIDED DEATHLY FEAR OF IT.

DO your homework. Don't rely on right-wing propaganda sources either.

Social Democracies are freer, more prosperous, healthier, more intelligent, and enjoy more social benefits than we do. Your worldview is ALL jacked up.

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Well Im over it, feel free to choke on it all you like

Originally posted by NoHierarchy


YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT SOCIALISM IS!!!! AND YOU HAVE THIS MISGUIDED DEATHLY FEAR OF IT.

DO your homework. Don't rely on right-wing propaganda sources either.

Social Democracies are freer, more prosperous, healthier, more intelligent, and enjoy more social benefits than we do. Your worldview is ALL jacked up.

Is China a Social Democracy?

Serious question.......

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Sorry bub, but I'm much smarter than that. But obviously the majority of people obediently lobbing stars at your avatar aren't.

I starred your post in an effort to redistribute credibility so you don't feel like a total loser.

It's my new brand of Socialism. You like it?

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by NoHierarchy

 

I starred your post in an effort to redistribute credibility so you don't feel like a total loser.

It's my new brand of Socialism. You like it?

edit on 11-10-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)

redistribution works......!

Originally posted by Cinaed
I sorta feel like Sarah Palin, and that really sucks...being from Alaska....but *anywho*

With the news from Egypt today, the violence and the Christian vs Muslim stuff....I have to wonder

How's that Arab Spring model working for OWS now? I mean that was one of their points of *the movement* right? People saying we need to not let our Arab brothers and sister get too far ahead of us...

So THIS is where they want to go???

I'll pass, thanks

Lol. God damn. Violence between Christians and Muslims in Egypt has a long history and it didnt begin with or after the Arab Spring. What is your point? You are like Sarah Palin

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My point is they emulate the Arab Spring like it's the latest fade and applaud it...

Uhhm they have been lighting Christians on fire over there....

Great role models

THAT is my point

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by NoHierarchy

 

I still cant decide if you are showing your age or your IQ

Many people do not agree with you, I don't see them insulting you with character assassination and the oh so mature name calling MO

Typical communist MO as well...

Anarchist, communist....fascist....

All have the same outcome but hopefully some day you will smarten up, or at least grow up

Live long and Prosper

WOW, you're uneducated for someone who quotes Spock.

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by Intrud3r

 

My point is they emulate the Arab Spring like it's the latest fade and applaud it...

Uhhm they have been lighting Christians on fire over there....

Great role models

THAT is my point

Again. Violence against Christians in Egypt has a long history nor did it start or begin with the Arab Spring. Did any Christians get killed under the Arab Spring ? No.

reply to post by Intrud3r


Role models are still how they are being viewed..... You don't have to like my opinion....it's the one I have....get over it

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by NoHierarchy


YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT SOCIALISM IS!!!! AND YOU HAVE THIS MISGUIDED DEATHLY FEAR OF IT.

DO your homework. Don't rely on right-wing propaganda sources either.

Social Democracies are freer, more prosperous, healthier, more intelligent, and enjoy more social benefits than we do. Your worldview is ALL jacked up.

Is China a Social Democracy?

Serious question.......

Absolutely not. China, in its modern form, is a disgusting combination of the worst of Communist government mixed with the worst of Capitalism... in some ways China is beautiful, improving, and on the cutting edge... but look beneath the surface and there is SERIOUS oppression/suffering.

You find Social Democracies in Canada, France, Germany, and the Scandinavian countries. They have also managed to balance their budgets better than we have AND with bountiful social safety nets! GO FIGURE! I'm an Anarchist... but when I look at countries like that, I see the most advanced/mature/intelligent/functional nation-states developed thus far, and we should AT LEAST look to their models when reflecting upon/changing OUR models SO LONG AS governments exist.

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