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posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:13 PM
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Yeah go ahead and keep saying that.

You call me naive as you sit here in the US on your computer(produced by capitalists) talking trash about the US on a forum(produced by capitalists) and no one is kicking your door down for it. And no one will.




posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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Oh yeah...You're such an anarchist...

With your LEFT WING REVOLUTION


You're so full erroneous ideology you don't even know what you stand for.


So... what you're moronically saying is that, since I'm an Anarchist, I cannot support other movements other than absolute Anarchism?? Listen... you have a serious lack of insight if you think in such black and white terms. I REALIZE that Anarchism is a LONG way away and requires a LOT of struggle to achieve on a large scale. MEANWHILE, the system still exists and I'm not going to let the terrible side of the system win over the better sides. Which is to say... I have my ULTIMATE ideals for our world, but in my day-to-day reality I realize that things aren't black and white and I can still support causes WITHIN the system over others. This is not hypocrisy, it is being realistic and present in the world as it exists, despite my (and other Anarchists') long-term ideals.
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posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:16 PM
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thats the problem we face today

too many shades of gray in my world it is black and white
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posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:16 PM
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Calling me a moron and doing mental gymnastics to justify your lack of consistency.

Cute.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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wow dude like i havent been called one of those before and a myriad of other names.

whats the deal man your upset so you go aorund insult other people to what ends prey tell to justify your own lack of "nobility" ?

sure showing the people on here who agian what was the term? oh yeah "butt hurt"

making this personal and theres no reason to keep doing it and people like myself never take a thing you say seriously.


So I hold a mirror to you... and you start whining at ME about name-calling?? C'mon man... what goes around comes around. I am not sensitive to name-calling so much as INACCURACY in name-calling. When people call me a commie... that's completely inaccurate but meant to incite vitriol/insult.

If you don't take a thing I say seriously, it's your own problem, because I've presented facts and intelligent rebuttals to you. If you ignore everything I say simply because I get a little pissed-off or un-collected at times then you're not being intellectually honest. Everyone here is guilty of it and I come in here knowing the deal, ready to duke it out. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is universally foolish, this includes when considering another person's argument, no matter how mucky the bath water is.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:18 PM
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The real world is in full color. Even gray falls short.

Black and White?



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by Cinaed
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LOL Globalization is not your friend, Capitalistic or not LOLOL

You really need to learn more about NWO agenda's.....one world government...it wont be Democratic, you can bet on it...the WORD might be in the name of the Party that brings it about though

Globalists want to topple the US....using Capitalism as the carrot...smarten up


Umm yeah... I am anti-globalist... haven't you garnered that already?? Why the hell would an Anarchist support globalization??? Anarchists are some of the FIRST and MOST actively AGAINST globalization.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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keep telling yourself that remember ats is a two way street never forget what another person is thinking

but just doesnt waste their time or thread space that adds nothing to the topic at hand.

yeah yeah another posters whose a legend in their own mind

been there seen that wasnt worth the 2 bits for admission



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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been there seen that wasnt worth the 2 bits for admission


You know it was worth it.

Why else would you keep coming back.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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I didn't say you were a communist. I took exception to you saying that I am immoral for not accepting the "good virtues" of communism.

Have yet to see them.


Are you talking about the IDEAS or the PRACTICE of Communism?

You seem to be confusing the original theories/ideas with the in-practice results. And yes, they can be separated to SOME extent.

If someone read some of the ideas/concepts of Communism and found ZERO to agree with... then yes I'd say they are either immoral, brainwashed, or corrupt. An intelligent, compassionate, insightful person can read the Communist Manifesto, and even AGREE with some of its tenets WITHOUT supporting Communism as a whole.

I am one of those people... and I can EVEN agree with some tenets of Capitalism! That is what an intelligent person does... they don't think in black and white, and neither do I.

However, I acknowledge that Communism is a tyrannical failure when its enumerated powers are handed over to mere humans. The same goes for Capitalism and its enumerated power and/or wealth handed to the few over the many. THUS my Anarchism, THUS my name "NoHierarchy". Because hierarchies of wealth and/or power are ALWAYS corrupting (and exponentially so as they increase over and above other people) and/or impossible to control perfectly.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by Cinaed
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One of the protections in our founding documents does indeed keep capitalism from getting out of control like it currently is.

Straying from the articles within the document is what brought all this about.....


Sure I agree to an extent. One of our FIRST battles here in America was AGAINST a mega-corporation (for the time) called the East India Tea Company. One of the first examples of government/corporate corruption that we tried to shake the shackles of.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:29 PM
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One of the biggest reasons there's problems between those who have more than others is people who support notions that no one should have anything.

It seems to me that this is what you're supporting. One of the biggest and most destructive tenets of communism and socialism is the abolishment of private property. The notion that no human being should have more than another is ridiculous. Because in the end we all suffer with NOTHING collectively.

I reject collectivist ideology wholeheartedly. Not because I haven't thought about it, but because I have.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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Yeah go ahead and keep saying that.

You call me naive as you sit here in the US on your computer(produced by capitalists) talking trash about the US on a forum(produced by capitalists) and no one is kicking your door down for it. And no one will.


See... there you go again... thinking in inaccurate/silly terms.

JUST BECAUSE I USE PRODUCTS OF CAPITALISM (though surely it's not just Capitalism but science, individuals, governments, free information, etc. etc. which helped produce all of these things) DOES NOT MEAN THAT I AM A HYPOCRITE. I was RAISED in mainstream American Capitalist society, I am DEPENDENT upon it because there are really no apparent alternatives, I am SURROUNDED by it and would find it impossible to avoid participating in some manner. And REGARDLESS, any USE of various consumer goods DOES NOT PREVENT ME FROM VENTING LEGITIMATE GRIEVANCES AGAINST THE SYSTEM. Would you call a Nazi a hypocrite for waking up to what he was surrounded by and voicing his/her dissent? Would you blame that Nazi for realizing there may be no easy/immediate escape for him/her from that system?? I use extreme scenarios BECAUSE you must consider the similarity of the situation... yes, I am part of this system, I am guilty of participating, but that doesn't prevent or exclude me from criticizing it. Just as being an American doesn't exclude me from criticizing our government or our country in other ways. There's also something to be said about using the master's tools to dismantle the master's house.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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Calling me a moron and doing mental gymnastics to justify your lack of consistency.

Cute.


Yes... so painful... all these mental gymnastics. You should try it sometime, it's called THINKING RATIONALLY.

Are YOU the embodiment of ALL of your ideals/beliefs/morals/ethics?? I'm going to answer for you- NO, you're not. So WHY aren't you? Huh? Then we share a boat of hypocrisy, we share the boat of supporting some of the things we hate. So why do you, who is undoubtedly WITH "sin", cast stones at somebody who legitimately wants a better world and is not afraid of truth?



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:40 PM
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Because you want collectivism. I want individualism.

I'm not part of a hive mind. I don't think like you and your left wing/Anarchist/Whatever buddies do. You're either going to have to accept that, or you're simply going to be frustrated by me.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:42 PM
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they are the borg they are here to assimilate you resistence is futile

second line says wheres picard?
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posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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I reject collectivist ideology wholeheartedly. Not because I haven't thought about it, but because I have.


Honestly your in the Army. That is the most obvious example of collectivism.

I know you are a free thinker but your following orders day in and day out.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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One of the biggest reasons there's problems between those who have more than others is people who support notions that no one should have anything.

It seems to me that this is what you're supporting. One of the biggest and most destructive tenets of communism and socialism is the abolishment of private property. The notion that no human being should have more than another is ridiculous. Because in the end we all suffer with NOTHING collectively.

I reject collectivist ideology wholeheartedly. Not because I haven't thought about it, but because I have.


I can see where you're coming from, but that's wrong. Once again you're thinking in black and white... you're thinking of COMMUNISM when there are other alternatives that embrace Socialism which provide PLENTY to people in a more equitable manner. A Social Democracy like in France, Germany, or Scandinavia is an example of societies which are both freer and more socially-beneficial/equitable than BOTH Communist states and Capitalist states like ours. They use a more INTELLIGENT combination of Socialism/Capitalism to provide benefits to the most people without stifling entrepreneurial spirit. In fact, providing social safety nets and general equality can actually ENCOURAGE individual entrepreneurs AND a general satisfaction with society.

Please read:
www.inc.com...
and
people.virginia.edu...
and
insights.unimelb.edu.au...

It's not about Communism or scarcity... it's about sharing and egalitarianism, and those ABSOLUTELY can be separated and achieved separately.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:46 PM
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It sure is. Team work works.

Collectivism does not work in a society that is supposed to be free.

Soldiers are not free. We follow the orders of the civilian leadership that the people elect. We are there to protect the American people, our allies and our way of life.

Can't do that by doing what we wish to do. Military's must be a cohesive force. Otherwise it's just an unorganized militia, and they can be very dangerous.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:49 PM
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I am all about charity. But it is often confused with socialism. Which is NOT charity. It's taking from one who is productive and giving to those who are not.

Socialism portends to guarantee outcomes. Outcomes cannot be guaranteed.

Google search Socialism and Guaranteed outcomes and then get back to me.



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