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posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 07:38 PM
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naive people are in this thread defending one the the most bloodiest forms of "governance"

and that be hello the communists are here to save you




posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Mourninwoody
Twenty pages of this nonsense? Two or three joes that get paid on the 1st and 15th of each month from taxpayer monies are attempting to school people about the evils of Socialism? Seriously?? Every facet of the military is Socialized. Healthcare, Housing, you name it. The military is pure collectivisim and they have the balls to come here and complain that other citizens might want some healthcare, housing and food too? Unbelievable. Why don't you go earn a living providing something of value before you attempt to counsel the rest of us on its virtues.

It takes someone who's "been there" to recognise the inherent dangers and risks involved.

Why don't you join the military then, and enjoy these benefits?


Ha, I did and I do. Now I own a business and have both perspectives to pull from. You have no idea what your talking about.



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 07:39 PM
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And yet they want more and more. When is it enough?? Everything for nothing? Apparently so. I'd feel sick to my stomach living that way. What happened to pride?



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by Mourninwoody

Ha, I did and I do. Now I own a business and have both perspectives to pull from. You have no idea what your talking about.
Acually I do. While you've been i then you can understand the perspective of other vets.

Thank you for your service,



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 07:44 PM
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Soviet Russia wasn't communism. China has massive problems, what government they have is not anything to do with that. Compared to China of the past, they're doing awesome.

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posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 07:45 PM
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Do you realize that an appalling number of extortionists are exploiting that system, while hard working people don't qualify for anything?



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 07:47 PM
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If he's up to that, then it sounds like he's going back to an imperial state, which is neither communism nor democracy. Blame the right monster, which is a man named Putin, if that's really what he wants to do.



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 07:50 PM
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The Soviet Union, or Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), was established under Vladimir Lenin and the Communist Party in 1922, after five violent years of revolution and civil war that overturned the imperial regime. At its height, the country consisted of 15 republics and encompassed nearly one-sixth of the earth's land mass. The USSR underwent massive changes in the 1930s and 1940s during Joseph Stalin’s brutal transformation of Soviet industry and society, which led to the imprisonment and death of millions. In the decades after World War II, the USSR and non-communist west, locked in a prolonged “Cold War,” repeatedly clashed over communist aggression and expansion in Eastern Europe, Asia and Latin America. In the 1980s, a new spirit of reform, epitomized by Mikhail Gorbachev's programs of glasnost (openness) and perestroika (restructuring), took hold in both the USSR and communist Eastern Europe. As former satellite nations broke free of Soviet control, individual republics within the USSR also struggled for independence. Unable to withstand these internal changes, the Soviet Union was formally dissolved in December 1991.


www.history.com...



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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You know Alaska gives its residents a couple grand a year from the money that oil companies pay to exploit oil in the state.

That is textbook communism. The resources belong to everybody and what is made from their exploitation is divided amongst everybody.

I can't really speak for them but I'm sure that most have no problem putting aside their pride and cashing that check.


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posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn

Originally posted by Mourninwoody
Twenty pages of this nonsense? Two or three joes that get paid on the 1st and 15th of each month from taxpayer monies are attempting to school people about the evils of Socialism? Seriously?? Every facet of the military is Socialized. Healthcare, Housing, you name it. The military is pure collectivisim and they have the balls to come here and complain that other citizens might want some healthcare, housing and food too? Unbelievable. Why don't you go earn a living providing something of value before you attempt to counsel the rest of us on its virtues.


I assume you're referring to me? Service to country is not valuable to you?

I put on a uniform, body armor, a helmet, and tote around a gun making myself a target to all who wish to destroy America so that you're not the first one to take a bullet or an IED. But that has no value to you?

I don't expect you to care. Nor do I expect to be taken care of by anyone other than myself. But I think those of us who risk our lives for everyone in the country(including people like you who tell me my service has no value...You know...other than my life) probably deserve a little more than a bunch of whiny college students who have their parents paying for them while they fancy themselves 'V' from V for Vedetta.


No offense. I believe you believe what your writing. I used to believe that too. But your wrong. You are risking your life for Bankers, Defense contractors, Politicians, career military officers and such. Follow the money and you'll find the truth. They're America's real enemy.

I don't have a lock on the truth and I wouldn't agree with everyone at OWS but they deserve our respect for trying and maybe our help in understanding whats happened to this Republic. I urge you to check out Oath Keepers and consider their take on current events.

In any event, hope you and yours makes it back safe but don't be so quick to think you know what the rest of us have endured to get where we are. "There but by the Grace of God". so to speak.



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 07:58 PM
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Stalin was a tyrant, that wasn't communism. It was a communist state that fell to an evil tyrant, and devolved into a dictatorship. Which is the most pointed out flaw to communism.

www.nytimes.com...
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posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 08:02 PM
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This is something I said in another thread but no-one responded but applies here as well:


Do you agree with the Government going after those whom fund terrorists?
Why don't we just go after the terrorists alone and not the funders?

The reason is simple, as long as the propaganda and funding exists, they can always find another sap to do their bidding.


The same reasoning exists with the government and Wall Street.
As long as the source of funds and bribes from the big Wall Street Banks exists, then nothing will ever change, because they will always be able to find their YES men to do their bidding to throw at us to choose from.

Wall Street is exactly where we need to be so that more people will be waking up to the crimes and corruption that has been taking place there for so many years now. It has not mattered one iota if it was a repub or democrat to them, because they fund both sides to do their bidding.


Originally posted by projectvxn

Originally posted by daskakik
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Right and those other things work. Any examples?

Putting people in office who will end up being bought is not really changing anything.


Seems to me like the Tea Party folks are sticking to their guns.

The culture in Washington has already changed because of them.

We're talking about cutting spending, bringing the country back to fiscal health, returning to Constitutional governance, empowering the individual, and economic liberty.

If you want to change the conversation you will not be able to do it with temper tantrums and threats of revolution.



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 08:02 PM
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There are also LOTS of co-ops here....when this town began we have THREE main ones....the power co-op, the telephone co-op and the hardware co-op.....

I have stated several times on ATS.... The area I live was part of *The New Deal* if you look up the name of my area in the dictionary it clearly states: Federal Experiment, part of the New Deal

I know far more about much you are claiming to know than you realize

FDR set all this stuff up
The oil dividend came later of course...

People decided the Oil Companies shouldn't make ALL the money

Rather than attack why not RESEARCH

Go ahead

*grins*
Investigate me...it's VERY interesting but be CAREFUL, you might not like what you discover....



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 08:02 PM
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posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 08:03 PM
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Yeah, I worked for welfare and social services for many years. We do take care of ours and if those that apply fall between the cracks there are nonprofits, local churches and charities, food shelves, etc. that fill in. Better than communism/socialism.



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Mourninwoody

Ha, I did and I do. Now I own a business and have both perspectives to pull from. You have no idea what your talking about.
Acually I do. While you've been i then you can understand the perspective of other vets.

Thank you for your service,


I do understand and I believe you believe what your writing but its a big world and neither you nor I have a clear view of it all. Not even close. Thats why we should consider everyones opinion with respect and consider our lot in respect to what the military offers us and our families before we bust someones balls.



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 08:08 PM
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You mean that being able to eat beans every single night is "taking care" of someone that was born with a birth defect, but can still work 3 days a week, so he gets nothing. No, that's not taking care of anyone. Not when some idiot from Detroit can make enough money to form a small country in ten years, because he wrote a few songs that made some people laugh. That's Eminem btw. The poster boy for unbalanced wealth that hasn't been worked for.



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 08:08 PM
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I'm an officer. I bust balls as a hobby

But *cheers* all the same.



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 08:09 PM
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Prove it.



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 08:09 PM
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Sorry I wasn't attacking.

Actually I think it is the ways things should be. A private company making money from public resources should pay and the money should be for the people and not the politicians that extend the permits.



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