99%? Who wants to be a part of the 100%?

Here something else to think about..

Why are tea party and Ron Paul politics so favored in a place like this? Because conspirecy theorists easy to sell to. Its a group out looking for something to buy into already. That and a fear of the gov mixed in makes you all some of the most easy votes to get. Right under the religous fundamentalists.

reply to post by ShogunAssassins


Not true, most Tea Party peeps weren't hippies..most of the Old Hippies are at the protest

Originally posted by Thestargateisreal
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

It's not surprising that someone talking about God, would be making continuous assumptions and accusations, after being asked to stop.

I didn't ask for anything to be given to me.

After beng asked to stop? I missed that one. LOL did you make that demand in addition to the silly nonsense of demanding others pay your student loan? Oh wait, maybe you didnt personally ask for student loans to be forgiven, but you support those who do....sooo whats the angle here? Why do you support that? And wow, who would have thought that a little insertion of religion would spark such anger and contempt.



Sooo I do not get to voice my religious views, but a bunch of radicals should have their voices enshrined on the altar of communist insurgence....interesting concept. Where's the equality you say you espouse?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus


Yes, they would lynch anyone with even a modest amount more than they have. That is coveting their neighbor's possessions...incidentally.
The amount is really arbitary and relative. That is the funny thing about all these proposals and demands. They want a trillion for this and a trillion for that, they want anyone over 250,000 to get taxed higher, they want arbitary amounts of what people can make. It's all so ridiculous.

Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,000 Deaths
Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39) 23,000,000 (the purges plus Ukraine's famine) Deaths

Aint Revolution Awesome?

reply to post by ShogunAssassins


It's the Constitution, stupid!

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

You see, this is exactly why I do not support the OWS crowd

Who you support or not, is of course a choice for your own mind..and conscience.

they are for wealth redistribution, which is what you are spouting here. Tax the wealthy so that the poor can have more.

You're missing the point. All you are allowing yourself to see, is what you might stand to lose personally. What you should have your third eye on, is what the country as a whole stands to gain.

Sure, if some of the richest individuals in the country (indeed, in the world) measure their entire worth as tied to a financial amount or balance sheet alone, then yes, in that one narrow sense, they personally will lose. They will lose financially, at least as far as whatever figure is deemed 'fair enough', i arbitrarily set that figure in my post at $10 Million, but of course, it is a random number that i would personally consider 'fair enough'.

But, they will ultimately gain, as will everyone else.

And not just financially.
The accumulation of obscene amounts of personal wealth and more specifically, the relentless pursuit of it, is the cornerstone at the root of the corruption and rot that pervades not just the US political system, but every other facet of the American (and world) life experience.

It has an effect every facet of the majority of human being lives, and mostly it is to their detriment.

You have to think bigger than the standard 'me, me me' to see where such a policy would lead, to move beyond the selfish principles of the lust for more than 'fair enough' and begin to conceptualise the cohesive benefits and opportunities that would spring forth from the seeds of such a bold move...the finances to advance as a complete nation, rather than individually as part of the so called 1%'ers.

The eradication of economic disparities and with them their social problems and festering resentments and associated crime.

No one is suggesting, least of all myself, that we should all be 'the same', not by any means.

If that were so, i feel that would stifle competition, and lead to stagnation and loss of drive.

A ceiling 'fair enough figure' is still a sizeable amount of wealth, and would afford a very high standard of living and reward to the individual for their efforts.

It is nothing less than outrageous what you are saying. It is Totalitarianism at its most outrageous.

It is nothing of the kind. Not even close to it.

Totalitarianism is total governmental control over it's citizens every waking moment, over every facet of their lives. Control over speech, (did you read the thread on imprisoning US citizens for discussing generic medicines yet btw?) Control over religion and belief, control over every aspect of their entire lives..a complete 'Orwellian' nightmarish dictatorship in other words.

How is proposing a wealth 'cap' of $10 Million approaching anything rationally considered Totalitarian?

If anything, freedom of speech would be increased by such a move, not decreased. The wealthy 1% would be free to moan all they liked about losing what mattered to them the most, and equally free to discuss their new found, if strange feelings of humanity and pride in their countryman too...

I abhor anything that seeks to curtail freedom of speech, even here on ATS i feel the trade off between 'being so nice and pleasant' and limiting genuine voices in their own language, colourful or otherwise is too great sometimes.

The 'fair enough figure' would be set, not by 'some bozo at the top' as you say, but put to the nation in the form of a referendum, for they as a whole to agree upon.

Yes, the wealthiest 1% would have less of a voice in setting that figure than the 99% who do not have the power and wealth, but then...that IS rather the point. Giving the majority the power and control, and not the tiny minority is a bad thing?

I think you really need to go back to the constitution and see what it says about 'the people' if you believe that.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


What are you talking about student loans for? I haven't mentioned that since entering the thread.

Again, I didn't say you couldn't voice your views, I just thought it was funny that between voicing, you've been putting words in my mouth.

Originally posted by Thestargateisreal
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Stop making assumptions about me. I'm pretty successful for a 26 year old, thanks.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by projectvxn

 

Cheque this out and be amazed :

Oh I'm amazed alright.

I'm amazed that you didn't catch all the historical falsehood, and ambiguity of your complicated conspiracy theory.

Originally posted by 8ILlBILl8
The people witch wage war are disconnected, evil oculist, or just dont give a # cause they have been brought up to think a certain way just as most of us are brain washed by the tv starting at 6months old.

You started watching TV at six (6) months old? Say it ain't so

Seriously though, I understand what you're saying. That statement was just funny. Or.... er.... ummmm...do kids start watching TV that early I hope not...because if we think we're screwed now, we'll really be screwed in about 40 years.

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus


Yes, they would lynch anyone with even a modest amount more than they have. That is coveting their neighbor's possessions...incidentally.
The amount is really arbitary and relative. That is the funny thing about all these proposals and demands. They want a trillion for this and a trillion for that, they want anyone over 250,000 to get taxed higher, they want arbitary amounts of what people can make. It's all so ridiculous.

Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,000 Deaths
Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39) 23,000,000 (the purges plus Ukraine's famine) Deaths

Aint Revolution Awesome?

Thank you, yes these revolutions were the original communist insurgents who based their philosophy on the "hate capitalism" and "hate the bourgeoisie" ideas.

Originally posted by Thestargateisreal
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

What are you talking about student loans for? I haven't mentioned that since entering the thread.

Again, I didn't say you couldn't voice your views, I just thought it was funny that between voicing, you've been putting words in my mouth.

edit on 8-10-2011 by Thestargateisreal because: (no reason given)

Sorry, you didn't personally. I should not have said that. But that is part of what is happening in the OWS thing. It has been one of their demands since they started making lists.

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I dont see many old hippies these days, the ones i do see have been bashed by society to a point that they dont do much.

reply to post by ShogunAssassins


So because you don't have the american dream no one can? your solution is make it impossible to be middle class and live off of welfare. The problem for me is I know I can out perform my peers I will make more then them and don't want to have to pay that difference to the government so they can give it to some lazy dude.

No one should be in poverty its easy to become rich. Get Job, save money, buy house. rent rooms to buy your mortgage. Step 2 Buy another house rent it. Repeat. Yet you want me to pay more for people who are to foolish to live with in there means?

reply to post by ShogunAssassins


Well they didn't actually do much...

Except drop '___' and look at the pretty colors while covered in mud...Even to this day...Burning Man, the Rainbow Gathering..etc.

Originally posted by Thestargateisreal
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Failure at Harvard, but good at making obscene amounts of money? Sounds like luck rather than a hard working person. If he was a hard worker, he'd have graduated, or gone back to graduate. He's lazy.

no, actually he didn't "fail" at Harvard, he left of his own accord.
IMHO, he got smart and realized Follow the Leader wasn't a game he wanted to continue playing.
he chose not to graduate and he was far from lazy ... what new invention or society changing development has this generation produced ????
entertainment doesn't count ... that is hardly a societal advancement.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Just because something does not directly apply to me, does not mean that I will not support it. I agree with some of the OWS "rants", but not all of them. I would go to an event just to support the idea of some kind of action though.

reply to post by projectvxn


That can be true also, but they did come out in force which they just dont do now.. The hippys ran into a fact, they had to support family. And in that process i feel they sold themselves out.

reply to post by Thestargateisreal


Some kind of action? Any kind of action?

Why the hell do people NOT think about who they stand next to and what they're supporting? Why is it that people think any action is good action?

That's like voting for the lesser of two evils.

Like this:



Yep...That's what this view reminds me of.

reply to post by ShogunAssassins


So becoming a productive human being, working, starting businesses, and supporting ones family is selling out?

Where do I sign up?

reply to post by projectvxn


Actually, that is a pretty good little chart. The problem is that most of the OWS is sporting communism and socialism and direct democracy as their solution to the corporate rule.
The World Council of Churches is part of that structure, and that involves the UN One World Relgion too, and Bill Gates, though a self made man at the start, was brought into the conspiratorial Elite Club of Rome and is deeply involved with it. That is why often it appears that the wealthy are the controllers, because they do control the worlds wealth and resources. The UN is really the seat of World Govt and not the US govt. Gates is heavily involved in the UN. These wealthy elites are all brought into the conspiracy at some point. Also some of them are given keys to wealth through the conspiracy, that is members of Skull and Bones who become CFR, etc.
However, in spite of this, I do not support communism as the solution, and I do not support taxing the wealthy, because they already have hidden their wealth in tax shelters and charities and so on. Buffet can always write a check if he wants to. It will hurt the middle class as it always does.