99%? Who wants to be a part of the 100%?

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


I think subsidies of any kind are wrong. They mostly crowd out any upstarts and sustain false markets that wouldn't be able to sustain themselves without my tax money. That's robbery indeed.

reply to post by Thestargateisreal


LOLOLOLOL luck had like ZERO to do with it...my work ethic on the other hand, and my experience with success at the things I do.....that is not luck my dear

That is hard work!

reply to post by Gorsebeacon

I would beg to differ based on my stint as a property manager in a low end neighborhood. Most tenants were on various forms of government assistance...and a shameful amount of parents were raising their children not to make TOO much money...cuz if you do THAT...you LOSE your benefits

SHAMEFUL

reply to post by projectvxn


No way. I can't stand at least 25% of people I deal with regularly. They want any business to snap their fingers and give them exactly what they demand, not what they've purchased. They then get angry when what they demand costs more, than what they purchased. It's a symptom I see a lot of the elite displaying.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by mutatismutandis

 

Ok, now we're getting somewhere. But what is the core of this manipulation? Are we talking about taxes? Many at OWS say "Tax the Rich" but what good will that do when we have an incomprehensibly large tax structure that requires one or two good lawyers to defeat?

One way to create equality would be with a three or four page tax code. Flatten it out and scrap the current taxation system as it does nothing for working families and small businesses.

That tax code should be the following: a flat tax not to exceed 20% at median levels and 30% at high levels. Lower levels of income should never exceed 10-15%. And then a 7-9% consumption tax.

But we have to cut spending. Where do we go? No more farm and corporate subsidies. No more government owned enterprises that seem to be nothing more than a black hole. A good chunk of defense spending is contractors that bleed the system dry. Time to cut them loose as well. And we could do it without affecting our combat readiness(which I believe is important...*surprise!*).

Start cutting whole agencies out of existence:




You can't tell me there's nothing in there we can cut out of existence entirely.

Give some of this money back to the states so they can implement education and health initiatives that aren't offensive to American notions of Federalism(instead of "No child left behind" and "ObamaCare" being shoved down our throats). See, these are solutions. Many of them middle of the road. If you take the power out of Washington then moneyed interests can't co-opt it.

You can't get rid of lobbying. But what you can do is get rid of the money. If any money is EVER passed either between a special interest and a politician(or vice versa) then both parties go to jail for bribery and what ever else can be attached as charges.

What these protesters(their organizers in particular) want is revolution, they want socialism from a government no one can trust. They want collectivism in a society built on individualism. They want to get into fights with cops, they want to "bring down the system" and they have no idea why. It's about the chaos and about "fighting the power" never mind that no one knows what power they should be fighting. Are there problems? Criminals? Manipulation? Yes. But you can't solve it by attacking the periphery, we must go to the source...The principle facilitator, The GOVERNMENT.

I do agree for the most part, but find a polititian on either side that will push this through. The people are protesting because no one stands up for what is right for them... both republican and democrate will continue to get theirs until someone stops them. The protesters are only doing what they truely believe is the solution, can't fault them for that even if their anger is misdirected. The way they see it is until washington changes nothing will change...and the sad truth is the only ones that really have the power to sway washington is the 1%.

Its a double edged sword...individualy the 1% are afraid if they rub washington the wrong way, then their wealth will be forcibly taken from them, so instead on the other side of the sword, they go the opposite extreme and push to insure it can't be taken away..what you end up with is the stalemate we've been in for so many generations.

I for one am all for people being wealthy, but not at the cost of others suffering.

On the same hand, if the solution was that simple this issue would have be resolved long ago...

reply to post by Cinaed


I guarantee you, there's at least a few hundred thousand in this country that are better at it than you. I see modesty is not a quality you posses in any quantity. Hmm, interesting isn't it?

This whole occupy wall street thing has finally given the "looser's a voice and a perfict way for the people they demonstrate against to manipulate them.They don't have a clue what there doing out there and where its going,they just know they want something free from it.
The division of people has always been there and always will be and these people will go back to there handout way of life putting clowns like Obama in office in hopes of more hand outs,this is what America has become,lazy overweight people that want it all for little or no out put.

reply to post by projectvxn


If we didn't have that, the slave class would die, and big business would need to start paying real wages. So you're right, but you don't realize just how right you are.

reply to post by Thestargateisreal


OF COURSE there are ALWAYS people better at things than me... I strive to work for such people and LEARN from them

Is it my fault my mentors give me great letters of recommendation?

It isn't about modesty or lack of it either, it is about willingness to roll up your sleeves and gitter done!

and I guess I missed something, when did beezzer call me lazy?

reply to post by Cinaed


Beezer insinuated that the upper 1% of the wealthy in this country, are that way because they work very hard.

reply to post by Thestargateisreal


So, you don't wanna start a business because some of your clients now are douchey?

I got some news for you, if you don't grow a thicker skin, you will NEVER make it.

Before I joined the Army I was in the coffee industry for 13 years. I've dealt with all kinds of entitled prima donnas, whiney pansies, and outright jerks. I've dealt with violent attacks(I've had coffee thrown at me...Didn't work out well for the thrower) and thieves stealing my tip money.

It's part of dealing with people in general. But you know what? The VAST MAJORITY of those I served were good, honest, hardworking people who appreciated my product and were happy to pay for it. And I appreciated the fact that they spent their money on me, my shop, and my employees.

I ran my own first shop when I was 18 years old. It failed. Haven't had my own business since, but if and when I leave the US Army I will likely give it another go. It was the most rewarding experience of my life to try and fail at something I truly love...Running a quirky coffee house with poetry readings and punk rockers in my patio not paying for anything...But keeping the really bad folks out. I miss those days. And I will have them back God willing.

But to say you aren't willing to try because you lack the patience is self defeating. And reflective of some of the animosity I've seen toward successful people in this thread.

Originally posted by Thestargateisreal
reply to post by Cinaed

 

Are you rich?

For you, there is a lesson on what is really rich.

Each week, the host visited celebrities and royalty at their luxurious mansions, fawning over their exotic cars, million-dollar jewelry, and lavish wardrobes. It was conspicuous consumption at its most nauseating, and viewers couldn’t get enough of it.
But don’t we all secretly envy the rich and famous? Don’t we believe that if only we were rich, it would solve all our problems? Don’t we long to be recognized and loved by millions of people?
This craving for fortune is nothing new. Two thousand years ago Jesus said, "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." (Mark 10:25 NIV)

Today, we still believe the lie that money can buy happiness. Yet hardly a week passes that we don’t read about rich celebrities getting a divorce. Other high-profile millionaires get in trouble with the law and have to enter drug or alcohol rehab programs.

Despite all their money, many rich people feel empty and without meaning. Some surround themselves with a dozen hangers-on, confusing opportunists with friends. Others get pulled in by New Age beliefs and religious cults, searching in vain for something that will help them make sense of their lives.

christianity.about.com...
The Bible also tells us the meek shall inherit the earth. Biblical teaching expressly tells us that the Princes of This World will have all the riches and power and yet it will be the meek and the lovers of God who inherit the earth.
Why is this? Because the meek know that God is the source of everything, including the water and land resources. They know that material goods may only be a means to achieving something, as opposed to the end itself.
The Princes of this world truly run things. The Book of Enoch explains how it is that certain ones have so much power. It is because they descended from the Heaven world with Godly power and abused it in the earth. This continues to this day.
And yet God gives each person free will to exercise and judgement will come.

Originally posted by Thestargateisreal
reply to post by Cinaed

 

Beezer insinuated that the upper 1% of the wealthy in this country, are that way because they work very hard.

The upper 1% have most likely inherited all their wealth.

Like one English queen once said: I have such high hopes for my future, but so few people to make them come true.

reply to post by Thestargateisreal


I think that is a pretty true statement, not entirely true...no

I would also say there is a goodly percentage of people that DO choose poverty...as I stated in a previous post about being an apt manager and watching MANY parents teach their children how to stay on the dole and not work TOO hard....don't wanna lose those gov benefits!

There are extremes on both sides, as well as crooks on BOTH sides

I want to lock up the crooks both rich and poor!

reply to post by projectvxn


I'm sorry, the upper 1% of the wealth in this country have no experience with working hard, none of what you just said is something that they know about.

Originally posted by Thestargateisreal
reply to post by projectvxn

 

I'm sorry, the upper 1% of the wealth in this country have no experience with working hard, none of what you just said is something that they know about.

That is OLD money you are talking about. There is also NEW money. People like Herman Cain are of NEW money, and therefore have no sympathy for people who don't make it on their own.
The Rothschilds are an example of OLD money, but they made their money NEW back in the Napoleonic wars by running couriers and playing BOTH sides of every conflict. The Couriers carried all the intel(back in the days before the Post office and electronic fax machines and secure servers) and thus they were able to intercept communiques carrying sensitive info on the wars, and thus to profit off that info. They basically had inside trading info.

reply to post by Cinaed


You sound a bit naive. I'd say that the majority of them are lucky. Most of them are likely the entertainers. The court jesters of days past, having gotten lucky enough to be noticed by the right person, at the right time. Skyrocketed to millions of dollars a year, even though they're not much more talented than a dishwasher that tells jokes to his coworkers.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


His gross income isn't # compared to the money Eminem has raked in, for himself, and the entertainment industry. Is Cain even in the 1%?

same crap different thread

bill gates inherited his wealth and buffet and zuckerberg and steve jobs and the list goes on.

haters gonna hate

haters without a clue

reply to post by Thestargateisreal


How do you know?

I personally know many, very wealthy people, who started with nothing.

I once worked for an RV rental dealership as a mechanic owned by a very rich man here in Reno. He paid me well, I had all the benefits I needed AND the guy went out of his way to make sure I had what I needed to do my job. When my laptop broke beyond repair he gave me the 4,000 dollar server in his office(which is what I'm using right now to type on here). When my bike was stolen from his lot, he bought me a brand new one and I didn't ask for it. He lent me his (very nice)car so I could drive my wife to work and I didn't have a license at the time...he knew it.

Collective punishment is for dictators. Not for liberty loving people. Take people as they come, not as the mob says they are.