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You can fill all the sandbags you want -- but it would be great if the "get off my lawn types" out there, who still blame POOR PEOPLE for getting ripped off, had a solution.
Seriously, who here is using their head for a hat rack? The banks were NOT injured by the mortgages
Use your head for something besides a place to lay your hat. NO ONE, minority or not, should buy more house than they can afford. Derivatives and bank malfeasance are an entirely separate issue, not concantenated as you are implying. If you buy more than you can pay for, expect it to get taken away.
People give up all their money and then some, more than they have to begin with, then bitch and whine because someone else has it? Here's an idea: DON'T GIVE IT TO THEM TO BEGIN WITH! I know, it's a novel approach, but it has worked for me.
>> Of course, we HAVE a solution -- and that is, get the money out of politics, re-instate Glass/Stegal act, get better oversight on Wall Street and don't allow any financial transactions that require a PhD.
The people confused about the OWS movement, have been eating the corporate PR for some time. You idea that people "enjoy the fruits of corporations" so they cannot criticize corruption can only be non-hypocrites if they are Luddites is truly, epic.
Calling for justice is apparently Communism. Calling for a rollback in tax giveaways is Socialism. If you read the Declaration of Independence -- without the title, you'd probably think that was a Marxist manifesto as well.
I could spend a lot of time debunking the oft repeated "Neocon Meme" about the nonsense that banks were forced to give loans to minorities who couldn't pay them back
I don't bother mentioning that using war for our economy, is about a lacking in morals as one can get -- but that's explaining rainbows to dogs.
It's really great to see the OWS movement taking off -- because it doesn't matter that this country is CHOCK FULL of Fox News viewers who won't "get it" until Global Warming brings the tide up to their ankles, or they get thrown out on the street because it's THEIR TURN.
Don't worry -- when we fix things, we'll even look out for the people who were wrong about everything.
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
reply to post by nenothtu
Oh, OK -- I though you were going with the NeoCon meme - - but no, you seem to be a Libertarian. Ayn Rand perhaps, or just a backwoods survivalist?
I should have known by the "Spartaaaaaaa!" image and the scent of Deer Musk and sweat you spray on your emails that you are a take no prisoners manly man, who bootstrapped himself from the womb.
Despite this CONCEPT that we can all let other folks get ripped off for being chumps and it won't harm us -- well, While the banks were ripping off immigrants and minorities -- they CHUMPED us if you hadn't noticed -- but of course you have YOU and I get to pay for it whether we wanted to or not.
My mortgage is paid off as well -- as I've never wanted debts or to buy things I can't afford. That plan went out the window when my wife got Cancer, coupled with kids and a layoff.
No, I reassert that you "don't get it" and you just have the OTHER form of ignorance -- that ANY human can possibly be secure without some system in place to prevent corruption. The Market will NOT solve this problem -- this problem was the REMOVAL of regulations.
Fair rules have to be enforced -- RULES are what create the environment for business.
I can test my water for lead, I can make sure I don't put money in a bank (go Credit Union), and I could do a dozen other things -- but I cannot do it all. At the end of the day, we depend on SOMEONE ELSE to check our food, to make sure our cars don't blow up, and to see that the Fed doesn't write blank checks to their member banks (which of course they do).
Shoe-horning the concept of "The Public Welfare" into this "meme" of Nanny-state is disingenuous. It's not much of a conversation to constantly defend a comic book concept of Progressive ideals. Can we at least say that "corrupt business and corrupt government" is bad? Our Government is Socialist for the wealthy and free market for the poor.
I had this conversation with a "True Manly Libertarian." He had his own business and health insurance and bought his own sports car. Screw the losers! Last year he got stomach cancer. This year, even with his insurance, it was much cheaper to fly to Columbia and get surgeries on his hernias and have a month of recovery at a nice resort -- a mutual Latina friend helped set things up.
>> It's the arguments of people like him and yourself that convince me that this country needs to become a Democratic Socialism because it's like having oily rags or fundamentalist religions -- they always catch fire if you ignore them eventually.
Just because Capitalism has been "good for you" doesn't mean that it won't eventually devour most of us when we aren't looking. We had 40 GOOD economic years after FDR -- and that was MAINLY because of high taxes on the wealthy and Socialist economic policies -- and LAWS against complex financial instruments. I look at the history of "free markets" and you more often have Haiti and Mexico than the USA between 1940 to 1980 -- after that, and the Laffer Curve supply-side economics got the hindmost.
At least we can agree; Banks are Crooks. I call them "Banksters."
I'm a white, upper middle class, three job working, High IQ, 6 years of college dude -- and I eventually got burnt out from the rat race.