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Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Originally posted by Trexter Ziam
Leukemia isn't heart disease.
One of the sons DID want to talk; but, nobody would listen.
You've been suckered by the crap those damned fool conspiracy web sites are shoveling out again. Barry Jennings' son's name is Jarel, not "Barry Jr."
I find it incredible that real live eyewitnesses with real live identities (and in some cases, easily available email addresses and telephone numbers) are always brushed of as "secret agents spreading disiformation" but anonymous posters on the internet pretenting to be people they're not are "absolutely believable". If you're attempting to say you're NOT judging everything according to whether or not they're agreeing with your conspiracy claims, you're lying through your teeth.
edit on 8-10-2011 by GoodOlDave because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ThaLoccster
reply to post by skunkmunky
It basically has to do with the site rules for posting content from other forums. I do not feel I need the thread starters permission as by making the thread he invited pretty much any and all inquiries.
But, I haven't really followed "developments" related to 9/11 like I once did. For my own personal reasons I decided to take a step back and focus on other things. If I see things that are a part of what I have some knowledge about then I usually chime in with what information I have.
I really had not seen much of Jennings' story since before the Loose Change interview came out, and my information from then based on his perceived statements was that he was lying. I tried to catch up a little on what has transpired since then and it does seem that Jennings' has clarified some of his statements and the position I had on his statements, as well as him way back then may have been a bit harsh.
I do not know what his overall story stands at today, but back then (2007, pre LC interview release) I felt that he was either outright lying, or mistaken.
Many of his statements from then did not mesh with other eyewitness accounts, and events or scenes he claimed to have seen were either distorted by himself or by others. Since I have learned that he has clarified his statements, I'm not sure what his overall story is now, or what it all it is he claimed to have been witness to.
One of the glaring inconsistencies in his statements vs. other eyewitness accounts was the condition of the lobby of WTC 7, as well as claims of dead bodies. Those statements are not in line with other eyewitness accounts that I have seen and was one of the reasons for my harsh opinion of him and his statements.
If I could see something that explains what his overall position was, at least at the time of his death, I would be more willing and able to comment further.
Originally posted by Trexter Ziam
I don't know many people stupid enough to use own REAL names on the Internet; so, whatever screen name the poster chooses is irrelevant.
So, do you consider ATS "one of those damn fool conspiracy sites"? In many (but not all) threads it is! So, where do you get the idea he has 1 instead of 4 sons?
I don't have any conspiracy claims on this subject, therefore I cannot be lying through my teeth. It appears YOU have a firm opinion though. I, am still open ... I look at everything I come across. I haven't come across anything saying he has one (not four) sons and that that son's name is Jarel and that that son would be silly enough to use his real name online or on a computer of any nature.
Originally posted by ThaLoccster
I don't generally agree with Dave on many things, but I'm in agreement with him on this.
I have never believed much of Barry Jennings story. I need help from a mod to know if I can post content here that I posted on another forum years ago, but it deals with aspects of Jennings' story that I believe to be false.
If I can post the information here that I posted on the other forum then I'll create a post with everything I wrote in that. To be honest, even if I can post it, much of the language I used on that forum would probably get people banned on this one, but it is, at least in my opinion, and important part of the overall story and I can redact the potentially offensive language if needed.
... At Barclay Street, which I’m told the building that we came upon was number Seven World Trade Center, we noticed that there were people trapped who were unable to get out at that time or unaware of how to get out – I’m not sure I want to use the word “trapped” – on what appeared to be the eighth floor from the outside.
Myself, my partner, and off-duty fire lieutenant, somebody from OEM, who was also with the Port Authority, and a female police lieutenant made numerous attempts to get into the building from the parking area. We finally found a door that was somewhat open to the Barclay Street side near the parking garage where there was a regular door.
The fire lieutenant told me that it was padlocked, and I remember that the OEM guy had a Halligan tool. I told the boss I was going back on the ladder to get the Halligan tool and I was going to bring it to him.
He made numerous attempts to try and open the lock: it failed. We were alerted to evacuate the building by Lieutenant Scullion and Lieutenant Frazier of the former ERS.
We came out of the building, and we gathered all our equipment...
... Prior to us going to West and Murray with the fireman, we were right over – I believe it was either 5 or 7. See, my memory is a little bad because I don’t know. I’m having a little hard time with this. But we went (inaudible) – no. You know what? It was 7. Now I remember. It was 7 because we went over here to West Street, like I said, and I stopped here at Barclay and I saw the firefighter. There were people screaming out of one of these two buildings over here saying they couldn’t get out, and my partner took one straggler fireman, the one that we had with us, and was trying to break the door because the door obviously had shifted or something. They couldn’t get the door open.
Q. That was 7 World Trade Center?
A. I believe it was 7, maybe it was 5. I was at the back end of it because I do remember the telephone company. So I think it was the back end of 7, I think right over here at that point, and they couldn’t get out. Then I had ran down the block and I flagged a ladder company and they brought the ladder, which they had like a vestibule that you couldn’t like really reach the people because the ladder wouldn’t reach. So the went and got other resources, they went inside the building, and I told my partner that it wasn’t safe and that we need to go because everything around us was like falling apart...
…I reached 7 World Trade Center. We walked into the lobby and we were going up the escalators to the main level. I checked in at the security desk. As we reached the top of the escalators, there were lots of people running down the escalator on the promenade. I spoke to one of the Deputy Directors and as I was speaking with him, I believe it was Deputy Directory Rotanz, who is a Fire Department Captain on detail over there, Captain Nahmod and EMT Zarrillo approached as well. They had indicated that the building was being evacuated...
...I questioned as to what the nature of the evacuation was. I was told that it was not because of what was occurring across the street. No one feared that the building was in danger as a result of two airplane attacks and subsequent fires, but that there were reports of a third plane that had been hijacked. It was unidentified, the location, and they thought it may be coming in for an additional strike. Therefore, the were evacuating the building.
We proceeded down to the lobby where the various agency representatives were present. We collectively started to set up in the lobby and try to think of strategies to where we could move the inter-agency cooperative effort...
…a gentleman from the building identified himself as a security person or security director. He asked me if there is anything we needed or he could provide me with regard to the EMS. We questioned him as to the ability to open up the loading bays which are associated with 7 World Trade Center. The entrances are located directly under the pedestrian foot bridge. I figured it was protected there, so debris wouldn’t fall down. He said he would do that. I directed Captain Nahmod to move the patients into that area. Again, the lobby of number 7 is all glass façade. I was concerned that if something should come off the building, go through the glass or hit the glass, we would have an extraordinary amount of patients in addition to what was already being seen.
Further we took everyone from the OEM and moved them to what would be the most southeasterly corner inside that first floor entrance of 7 World Trade. There is a big granite or marble security desk and we started to establish around that as we were trying to figure out what we were going to do…
…They were setting up outside of 7 World Trade Center, just east of the pedestrian bridge. I told them it would probably be better off to be set up under the bridge. At least it was protected. I was just about to enter a dialogue with her when I heard a sound I had never heard before. I looked up and saw this huge cloud. I told him run. I grabbed the female, I threw her through the revolving doors of number 7. We were proceeding inside. She fell to the ground. I helped her out, I pushed her towards the direction of where we were all in the south corner and there was a little doorway behind that desk which led into the loading bays.
Everyone started to run through that. Never made it to that door. The next thing I remember was that I was covered in some glass and some debris. Everything came crashing through the front of number 7. It was totally pitch black…
…I thought that part of the building or the façade of the building had collapsed. You know, it was too dusty to see outside, so we didn’t know what happened, but I knew something real bad happened. I knew that everyone we had in the lobby, or we thought everyone was accounted for. Again, there was a lot of rubble in the lobby, probably a few feet. The façade was all broken…
... the Second Battalion showed up and we attempted to search and extinguish, at the which was small pockets of fire in 7 World Trade Center. We were unaware of the damage in the front of 7, because we were entering from the northeast entrance. We weren’t aware of the magnitude of the damage in the front of the building.
We made searches. We attempted to put some of the fire out, but we had a pressure problem. I forget the name of the Deputy. Some Deputy arrived at the scene and thought that the building was too dangerous to continue with the operations, so we evacuated number 7 World Trade Center...
... At that point the preliminary sounds of the collapse started, the loud crackling sounds. We all started running, because I think the energy coming down through the cylinders of the building because of the pancake, the energy came out first and then the actual debris started coming.
So we all ran. Myself and the chauffeur of 26 Engine grabbed about 30 civilians as well as the maintenance men, and we put them all in the basement of Seven World Trade Center...
... At this point, 7, which is right there on Vesey, the whole corner of the building was missing. I was thinking to myself we are in a bad place, because it was the corner facing us...
... The next thing I did was we saw a fire starting to show at windows in 7 World Trade Center, decided to go in and try and see if there was anybody in the building and/or put out the fires, and we did a search from floor to floor of 7 World Trade Center passing fire of floors 3, 7, 9. The standpipes had no water. We tried to extinguish a few fires with cans. When we got to 11, there was just too much smoke and we decided that, without water, if we went any higher, we’d be on a fool’s mission...
Originally posted by 4hero
To all those people that seem to think the collapse of the towers/fires caused building 7 to collapse, symmetrically, into it's own footprint at freefall speed... What about the FACT that no fire has EVER made a steel framed building collapse, yet on 9/11 there was a world 1st, three times in one day!
Does this very fact not raise alarm bells? I'd love to hear your explanations!
Originally posted by uggghhh
soo.. he shows up to a burning building... that's being evacuated by the police.. figures its ok to jump on the elevator to go to his office... which he doesn't have a key for... gets back on the elevator, to go find someone with a key.. then finds a guy to let him on the freight elevator, which apparently gos directly to his office... so he can use the phone?? at this point he cant use ether elevator that he used 5 mins ago.. so he hits the stairwell??
im having a hard time believing any of it.. to be honest with you...