reply to post by Seed76
I am not Trinitarian, but my denomination, has nothing to do as to how i behave. My denomination, if you want to know is Greek Orthodox, since
i am a Greek.
Good to know...
However, generally speaking, Gnosticism taught that salvation is achieved through special knowledge (gnosis). This knowledge usually dealt with
the individual's relationship to the transcendent Beings/Teachers
quite true, but in fact i have no special knowledge of anything... At least nothing that can't be found by the average person...
I never knew Socrates personally either. Does that mean when i am writing about Socrates i am writing lies? There are many ways to determine if
my writings about Socrates are true or not. Hence the whole debate.
True but when one teaches something that is in direct contradiction of the actual person his lessons are based on, i consider that a lie...
All the scripture is "Inspired" not just Paul´s my friend.
See this is where we are at a disagreement, Inspired by who? IF you say God, i will show you passages that prove otherwise... What Jesus taught was
inspired by God, of that i have no doubt... other then him, in my opinion the rest of the bible is useless... aside from the telling of his
The thing that you seem to ignore, is that Jesus never denied His divinity. When He says i and the father are one, He is meaning exactly
I do not deny his divinity, as he said he was the "son of God"... Though i will also say that I and My Father are one as well... and you and the
Father are also one... As we are all children of God...
If he wasn´t divine, He wouldn´t been able to forgive sins for example, He wouldn´t been able to heal the sick, He wouldn´t been able to
raise the dead(i.e. Lazarus) etc. In other words Jesus was God in flesh. Fully divine and fully human.
Again i disagree, that does not mean he was God... though as i've said, i do not deny his divinity. The difference between him and us, was that he
remembered where he came from... he remembered standing in the presence of God, which no man can hold claim to... Him being perfected in his
knowledge of God gave him these abilities, which i also believe every man has... though who can claim perfection?
The word "trinity" , is a term used to denote, that God exists as a unity of three distinct persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Each of
the persons is distinct from the other, yet identical in essence. In other words, each is fully divine in nature, but each is not the totality of the
other persons of the Trinity. Each has a will, loves, and says "I" and "You" when speaking. The Father is not the same person as the Son, who is
not the same person as the Holy Spirit, who is not the same person as the Father. Each is divine, yet there are not three gods, but one
Yes i know the trinity... again its not something Jesus or his diciples taught...
That´s the Gnostic teaching, that you are saved by special knowledge(gnosis), which i disagree my friend.
And of course you are free to disagree, but that "special knowledge" is within your bible... and its taught in gnostic scripture and many other
religions as well...
Isn´t that the same thing that the serpent said? "..Ye shall not surely die."
Well first i don't put any stock in Genesis, the book is flawed... If that book was inspired by God he would not have made errors within its
pages... IF you read Jesus and what he taught, there are no flaws... that isn't true within the rest of the bible....
Secondly, i don't deal with the silly stories of a talking snake either... or Adam and Eve... Both of which are fairy tales... i chose to deal
with the reality of the book.
Do you actually believe that a Loving Father wouldn´t give the gift of salvation freely to everyone? Remember Jesus came to do His Fathers
will not His own will. So that those who believe in Him can have eternal life.
Yes i truely believe that a loving Father would give the gift of salvation to all of his children, not just the ones who "believe" something
Let me ask you this... Do you truely believe that a loving father would deny that gift to those that are not christian? What of Buddhists, Hindu's,
Shintoism, Krisnha, and the people of those beliefs? The members of those religions are far more peace loving then 90% of the christians in this
world... how could he deny them of that same gift?
That´s true my friend. That´s why i am also doing my own study.
Do yourself a favor and step outside of the confines of the bible in your studies... The lessons of Jesus can be found in many scriptures... Believe
what you "feel" is truth...