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OP/ED: The Republican Convention: It's 1968 All Over Again.

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posted on Aug, 28 2004 @ 09:57 AM
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I live in, and love New York City. I and my children have volunteered our personal time to make this a better city, including responding to the attacks on September 11th, 2001 by contributing to the relief effort. There are likely few who would want to see order and civility in this city more than we. However, a nagging fear tears at our gut, a fear many New Yorkers seem to know without really being aware of the source. That fear is strangely one that is not the hope that next week's protests remain peaceful... but a fear of what is happening to ensure the protests are peaceful.
 
Today, as I began the morning caffeine infusion ritual, the local 24-hour news station, NY1, told us how a group of people were arrested for shouting anit-Bush slogans too close to Madison Square Garden, outside of a prescribed protest zone. Pause on that thought for a moment. I watched the video of the group of people being cooperative (with confused and angry expressions) with zip-tie hand restraints and escorted into large police vehicles. I thought to myself, certainly there must be some mistake... some error in reporting... some previous incident of unseen violence that led to the arrest. Scouring the local news websites, I could find no more details about this incident other than reported. Hold this thought for now. This is 1968, again. Thirty-six years ago, an angry populace felt compelled to make their voices known over what they believed to be an unjust military action by the U.S. Government. Echos of the reported Vietnam atrocities are seen in the abu gharib prison torture and abuse situation. Back then, the Chicago Democratic Convention was the flash-point for an angry and frustrated segment of this democracy. Looking back, we can easily surmise that the violent protests of 1968 alerted many of us to the issues of the war in Vietnam. Today, a similar if not more intense powder-keg is poised to explode on international awareness. Unfortunately, today, we have a completely different underlying situation. Recall what I mentioned about those hapless protesters seemingly shouting the wrong words in the wrong place (if the report is correct). I can only think of one other type of country where protests are limited to prescribed zones and prescribed times, totalitarian regimes. Are we worthy of peace if we're unwilling to disturb it for causes that are important to us? I certainly do not want to see massive destruction and violent chaos as witnessed in Chicago of 1968. No sane person could ever hope to see such a thing. However, the freedom treasuring patriot in me is also worried that the measures put in place to contain and control protest has gone much too far. The result, if protest is contained and controlled, is that there will be no massive shift in focus on an important issue as is what happened in 1968. Or, far worse, the totalitarianesque measures will incite a violence of rage that will result in tragic consequences. Here we are, you and I, in a moment where we can clearly say history is repeating. And important history at that. We have come to a critical tipping point where many wish to deny and forget rumors of atrocities thirty-six years ago, bury the rumors of atrocities today, and contain the outspoken angry few to a controlled peep. In 2040, thirty-six years from now, what will history say of this coming week? Which way will we tip? [edit on 8-28-2004 by Valhall]




posted on Aug, 28 2004 @ 10:21 AM
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Amazing!


A mind numbing reflection into the past tied to the troubled times of the present. There is a sense of revolution in the air.

I can only hope that America can remember the freedoms so many have fought and died to protect. The most important Freedom of expression and freedom of speech.

Right or wrong, protests are expected and should be respected. May we never forget what has brought greatness to our nation.

Simply an amazing OP/ED SkepticOverlord!

Gazz

[edit on 28-8-2004 by UM_Gazz]



posted on Aug, 28 2004 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Today, as I began the morning caffeine infusion ritual, the local 24-hour news station, NY1, told us how a group of people were arrested for shouting anit-Bush slogans too close to Madison Square Garden, outside of a prescribed protest zone.

Pause on that thought for a moment.



Wow........I was going to say I would hope the key was "outside a prescribed protest zone" and this is just an effort to maintain order as the convention approaches. But I stopped to do a quick search and from what I see there is an awful lot of control being exerted over permits and there are an awful lot of intentional and large scale illegal protests being planned beginning now in spite of it. It seems the freedoms have already been stepped on and the outrage has already begun. The ball is rolling.

With all the predicitions and even just nervous "gut" feelings the past few months about what a target this event is (from outside enemies), it would be a shame to see real chaos break out purely from "domestic disturbances", but it does appear this situation IS a real powder keg.

Let's hope we can get past this one unscathed (since that's all we can do at the moment). If we do, it may not be as bad as it looks, and if we don't, well the writing is undeniably on the wall.....

Holding my breath.



posted on Aug, 28 2004 @ 11:12 AM
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But you almost have to be there to see it I imagine.

The good Patriots of CNN are showing the video now with the spin being "rowdy protestors arrested for disrupting traffic and blocking hospital access."

Of course they were.



posted on Aug, 28 2004 @ 11:14 AM
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Well for those that still think that our government has this country in his best regards, there you have it; it is not the people that he holds dear to him but himself and his public image.

Absolute power, you can choose who can protest and who can not.



posted on Aug, 28 2004 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043

Absolute power, you can choose who can protest and who can not.



Actually, the scary part is the ramifications of - no you can't choose who can and who cannot. You can only choose who can and cannot legally.

It does not appear the possession of a protest permit is going to have anything to do with who does and doesn't protest.

Very dangerous ground indeed.



posted on Aug, 28 2004 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Today, as I began the morning caffeine infusion ritual, the local 24-hour news station, NY1, told us how a group of people were arrested for shouting anit-Bush slogans too close to Madison Square Garden, outside of a prescribed protest zone.



The situation in New York has the potential to become another Chicago '68, although I have had to reconstruct those events over the years because I was in Vietnam at the time.

This time the stakes are even higher, given the potential for terrorism. Responsible citizens should have no problem with limiting their protests to given areas, in the interest of security. Liberty always has its bounds.

Protest is an important part of liberty, but reasonable constraints should be understood by reasonable people. No one's voice is silenced and if all else fails, one can always vote.



posted on Aug, 28 2004 @ 11:28 AM
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Since when do we need permits to protest? Isn't it our constitutional right to protest? There doesnt say anything on the constitution about having to get permission to protest.

And Free speech zones? WTF is that! Isn't the whole country a "free speech zone"?



posted on Aug, 28 2004 @ 11:30 AM
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SO you should post more often.


In my opinion we have hardly scratched the surface of real anger yet.

No matter who wins the election in November (both mainstream candidates support continued war with Kerry promising MORE troops - another echo of the past) there will be growing unrest in society, especially as the economic situation deteriorates due to deficit spending and the fast growing debt.

The polarization now taking place in society is also an echo from the past but this time the population is more diverse, more vocal and more organized. And so is the government and it's paramilitary police forces.

The question on my mind and probably on everyone elses mind is "which side will I choose to stand on?"

The side of "Law and Order" imposed by force or the side of dissent against those forces?

Liberty and Freedom are nice concepts. They cannot and should not be "contained".

To make them work takes action not words.



posted on Aug, 28 2004 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by Gools
No matter who wins the election in November there will be growing unrest


It doesn't have to be that way, but in the mean time I will be cleaning the firearms and stocking up on small arms ammunition.



posted on Aug, 28 2004 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
It doesn't have to be that way, but in the mean time I will be cleaning the firearms and stocking up on small arms ammunition.



LMAO! Good thinking. That might not be a bad idea. And stock up on the canned goods too.



posted on Aug, 28 2004 @ 11:52 AM
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Our voices are being silenced, and we are being controlled. And we're accepting it.

Soon...after our corporate gov't puts more of their plans into action, after this pesky(in their eyes) election is over, they can implement more of the destruction of America as we know it. And with America in danger, so is the world.

We will come to a crossroads soon, and have to make a choice. Every generation before ours has had a great calling. A cause to fight for...a reason to resist. Ours is near upon us.



posted on Aug, 28 2004 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by Ocelot
Since when do we need permits to protest? Isn't it our constitutional right to protest? There doesnt say anything on the constitution about having to get permission to protest.

And Free speech zones? WTF is that! Isn't the whole country a "free speech zone"?


Actually, a lot of places require permits for protests, parades and things of that sort. It helps to prepare for traffic concerns, safety concerns, etc. Unfortutantely it does go deeper than all that cause otherwise and free speech is obviously not the guiding force in granting them.

Hey, in my old town you needed a permit for a block party, but no one ever payed any attention to that one - lol.



posted on Aug, 28 2004 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by cstyle226
Our voices are being silenced, and we are being controlled. And we're accepting it.


This is shameless and irresponsible rabble-rousing. Get a grip! Everyone's voice will be heard, especially on election day.



posted on Aug, 28 2004 @ 12:04 PM
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SO , use that camera phone of yours if you are near any large protest groups and post a pic (although I am sure it is best to stay clear) .

In this age of disinformation and corprate control of news broadcasts we have been treated like pawns in someones giant control game . The visuals that are edited by the media , as well as honest impartial report of actual events is one of the main reasons we the people are able to be divided by special interests , and treated like cattle .

Truth seekers are a more and more rare breed , people are hyponotized into what they "think they beleive" by biased mass media , and are complacently controlled by it ....

i do not have children , but wonder how my young niece and nephew will adapt to being the future of this country .

Like the song says : " Teach your children well , theire parents health will slowly go by..."

A quote from the book A Prayer For Owen Meany by John Irvine :

" We have one generation of people who are really pissed off , and maybe two generations that just don't give a s#1t to look foreward to "

The era in the book that this quote refers to is Vietnam....



posted on Aug, 28 2004 @ 12:07 PM
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I wonder what the government will do if a massive group of protestors gather together and decide to march on the streets of NY.

What can the local police or the security groups in the area will do.

That will be something to see and how much of it will be kept away from the media.


SkepticOverlord, better get the digital cameras, pic phones or whatever available so we don't miss what is really happening in NY, because more is coming your way.


And I hope is just Americans just angry with our government.



posted on Aug, 28 2004 @ 12:12 PM
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It's 1968 all over again...do we really want that?

What effect could the protestors actually have on the election? It is a small percentage of this country that actually decides the presidential election. In 1968, those undecided saw the melee outside the Democratic convention and chose Nixon. (If I remember right, Nixon only won the popular vote by about 500,000 votes.)

If the protestors in New York this election year go on a rampage similar to the ones in Chicago in '68 or at the WTO in Seattle, I believe the result will be the same. The coverage will be unrelenting and will show them in the worse possible light. No one will care about their message or why they are there or the fact that it is just a small percentage of the protestors. It will be all about the violence and vandalism.

And it could give the Republicans the advantage. Just my 2cents.



posted on Aug, 28 2004 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

Originally posted by cstyle226
Our voices are being silenced, and we are being controlled. And we're accepting it.


This is shameless and irresponsible rabble-rousing. Get a grip! Everyone's voice will be heard, especially on election day.


The election is near pointless. Hit me up with a u2u after election day and tell me if I'm wrong.



posted on Aug, 28 2004 @ 12:16 PM
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I think the whole idea of protesting is just to raise awareness, regardless of who win the elections at least the sentiments and feeling of the people will be demonstrated if they are allowed to do just that.



posted on Aug, 28 2004 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by Bleys
And it could give the Republicans the advantage. Just my 2cents.


I hope you are wrong.

I for one do not see the logic in giving support to a party that generates massive protests against their policies, violent of not.



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