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Answering Questions At The Gate

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posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 05:47 AM
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I don't buy the St Peter at the gates myth, but having said that, the saints will judge...
I hope to be singing (and that I'm given an angelic voice instead of this one which can't carry a tune
)

Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me....
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now, I see.

T'was Grace that taught...
my heart to fear.
And Grace, my fears relieved.
How precious did that Grace appear...
the hour I first believed.

Through many dangers, toils and snares...
we have already come.
T'was Grace that brought us safe thus far...
and Grace will lead us home.

The Lord has promised good to me...
His word my hope secures.
He will my shield and portion be...
as long as life endures.

When we've been here ten thousand years...
bright shining as the sun.
We've no less days to sing God's praise...
then when we've first begun.

Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me....
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now, I see.




posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 05:53 AM
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Originally posted by mathematic
Today you died.

You go to the gate of heaven, and you're questioned on your decisions that you made. The righteous man would have made all the right decisions, yet your 80+- years on earth are all rapped up into this interview.

When you were four years old, you snuck a cookie . . . At 13, you smoked a cigarette. . . . At 20 you drank a beer . . . At 36, you killed somebody while driving a vehicle intoxicated. Or maybe you didn't.

Now for this, you're going to hell. You were brought up from an egg and sperm, threw into a vengeful world, and taught what was right and wrong from a book your great-great-great-great-grandmother passed down from a translation of a monarch.

You meet St. Peter at the gate. He asks, "Why did you cheat on the spelling test in 2nd grade?" Then he says, "Why would you sneak that cookie your mother told you not to take?" Blah, blah blah . . . "Why do you look at internet porno?" "Why did you speed on the highway?" Blah blah blah . . .

We're all gonna face it one day. What are we gonna say?

I'm just gonna say, God made me that way. I didn't make myself.


I just wanted to say that we are not all gonna face it one day, because none of us are...........

When will all this belief by people in something that is wasting their lives ever gonna stop? A bunch of made up twaddle that is still governing peoples lives today.....so, so sad...............



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 05:55 AM
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I'm not worried because that ISN'T going to happen as it makes no logical or rational sense - and as far as I can tell, the universe works on logic and rationality, even if we cannot understand it yet.

How could the everlasting life of your infinite soul/energy be based soley upon the events of a very finite physical life of 80 odd years or less?

You made mistakes, you screw up - tough, you go to hell. How is that logical? How is that fair? What if i grew up on a desert island where there is no laws, no religion and I'm taught from day one to kill. That's all I know and it seems right as everyone does it. When questioned, do i get an "exception" because I wasn't privy to that knowledge?

If so, then i go to heaven. WOuldn't the rest of you get p*ssed that I was an exception to the rules simply because I wasn't indoctrinated with relgious crap?

if not, and I do go to hell, how is that fair as no one told me, and as soon as i could walk i was taught that what was "wrong" was good.

No, none of it makes sense - there's too many exceptions, too many loopholes, too many flaws.

Do i believe in the afterlife? Sure. Do i believe in harps and angels and god? No. Is there judgement? No. WHat happens, I don't know - but I certainly don't think for one minute anyone is going to "judge" me.
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posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 06:08 AM
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Originally posted by mathematic
Today you died.

You go to the gate of heaven, and you're questioned on your decisions that you made. The righteous man would have made all the right decisions, yet your 80+- years on earth are all rapped up into this interview.

When you were four years old, you snuck a cookie . . . At 13, you smoked a cigarette. . . . At 20 you drank a beer . . . At 36, you killed somebody while driving a vehicle intoxicated. Or maybe you didn't.

Now for this, you're going to hell. You were brought up from an egg and sperm, threw into a vengeful world, and taught what was right and wrong from a book your great-great-great-great-grandmother passed down from a translation of a monarch.

You meet St. Peter at the gate. He asks, "Why did you cheat on the spelling test in 2nd grade?" Then he says, "Why would you sneak that cookie your mother told you not to take?" Blah, blah blah . . . "Why do you look at internet porno?" "Why did you speed on the highway?" Blah blah blah . . .

We're all gonna face it one day. What are we gonna say?

I'm just gonna say, God made me that way. I didn't make myself.


You actually believe what you wrote? I don't see myself standing infront of a Gate being questioned. The bible is a load of bull, a way to control the masses 2,000 years ago! Grow up!

P.S. Santa and the easterbunny aren't real either!



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 06:46 AM
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I know these threads sometimes drag on a bit, but if you followed along you'd see my OP was a segue into a logical discussion. I'm not really proclaiming what it reads.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 08:42 AM
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Hello. I have just read your post and would like to respond if I may.
Firstly - I would like to let you know that your concept of hell and why it exists is incorrect. ( I am not demeaning you in anyway. I just want to present you the facts ). This may help you get a step closer to finding your own truth.

Hell was NOT created for man to spend eternity in !!!! Hell was created as punishment for satan and his minion who rebelled against GOD. The definition of hell according to the Bible is simply THE COMPLETE SEPERATION FROM GOD.

Mankind was created with body, mind and SPIRIT (our spirit made to last forever eternal - just like GOD HIMSELF). Earth was created for mankind to live on and be stewards of. GOD HIMSELF was on the earth with the first man ( and women ) to have a close, personal and spiritual friendship with. By man choosing to ' un-friend ' his own creator, he was spiritually seperated from GOD. This is called SIN. We are of the first mans bloodline ( as all people descended from him ). Therefore, we are INHERENTLY born sinners. Even if we do good things ALL of our life and none bad, because of our bloodline we are still considered as sinful. A very crude and basic analogy would be the cancer gene - passed down from generation to generation in the family through the bloodline (genes/DNA).

Sin has corrupted what GOD originally created as ' good ' and introduced DEATH and decay to a once perfect universe, because we are seperated from the very Being that created it all. An analogy would be if you cut a rose it will die and decay because it can not survive apart from the bush. That is US. Our body and mind will die, but our spirits (being eternal) will NEVER cease to exist.

Because we have sin, and GOD has NO sin, we can not have a union with GOD our creator. Yet our spirits must go somewhere when seperated from our bodies when we die. Hence our spirits must go to hell ( be completely seperated from GOD - because HE has NO sin).

NOW HERE IS THE KICK IN THE HEAD, FRIEND. If our spirits do end up in hell IT WILL BE OUR OWN CHOICE. GOD HIMSELF has given us a way to fix our sin problem and STAY OUT OF HELL. It is through faith in JESUS CHRIST (GOD as man) that frees us from the condemnation that sin incurs. Faith in JESUS is THE ONLY WAY to escape total spiritual seperation from GOD. We CAN NOT do anything AT ALL to save ourselves from that seperation. The grace that JESUS offers us is all there is. Period.

If we reject the grace that JESUS offers us (our own choice) then we remain apart from our Creator and will spend for ever that way - with satan because he will be seperated completely AS WELL.

Ok. That being said......



I cannot fathom that the minute existence we portray on earth will condemn us to an eternal life of anything.


That is because our life here on earth is PHYSICAL. Eternal life is SPIRITUAL. None of us can fully comprehend the spiritual side of our existence.




We're brought to this earth with traits we did not create. We are thrown into an existence, we didn't create, nor learn to live with without societal implications of religious dogma.


Yes, but it is our choices that we make here on earth INSPITE of our utter hopelessness and non - involvement with our created existence that will determine our future existence.




The only truth I learned on this earth is that I cannot trust man. Man gave me the word. Man portrayed me. A JUST God would NOT believe his WORD would be passed through man. God know ALL. God knows man is fallible. God CANNOT trust man to pass his word.


You are correct - man is sinful and VERY fallible. That is why JESUS came. HE is sinless and just and righteous. HE IS TRUTH. HE will judge the world as a just and righteous King.

Secondly - if you truely are seeking answers and truth, then perhaps it would benefit you greatly if you researched the authenticity and accuracy of the Holy Bible. Even the slightest genuine research will prove the weight of evidence to support the fact that the scriptures are the Divinely inspired Word Of GOD - not just a man made story of epic tales and ultimate heroes.

I sincerely hope that some of what I have written will make sense to you. If not, then I hope that I have helped you know some facts that surround your questions. At least, I hope that I have inspired you to keep searching for truth and have maybe pointed you in a direction to start your journey from.

Glad tidings friend. May you find what you are looking for.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 09:39 AM
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Bravo...I really liked that reply. Though I have found some information that distrubs me deeply and I'm hoping you can shed your thoughts on the Sedevacantist community. See: Source or Source. The second Source is more my style....


The first source claims the bible has had the words changed like Holly Ghost to Holly Spirit and that we're really praying to the Devil.

A reponse is greatly appreciated. Your words seem to me to be genunine and words with meaning that I can respect.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 09:42 AM
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"Why did you speed on the highway?"


So god now follows mans laws??? lol

I dont remember there being cars and roads back when Jesus was alleged to have lived. Why would it be a sin to drive fast???

zzzzzzzzz




posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 10:40 AM
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Why are we all going to face it one day? When you die you will be born again in another body, not go to hell/heaven. Also I thought that God forgives us as long as we a truly sorry?

I think you might be having a good laugh here but that fact that anyone would think that taking a cookie as a child is a contributing factor to going to hell is totally hilarity!



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 10:40 AM
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I'd say we're not going to be asked jack when we die.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 01:17 PM
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As far as I'm concerned there is no Q&A. God already knows what's in my head and heart, good or bad.
He knows what I'm about.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall
reply to post by mathematic
 


Hello. I have just read your post and would like to respond if I may.
Firstly - I would like to let you know that your concept of hell and why it exists is incorrect. ( I am not demeaning you in anyway. I just want to present you the facts ). This may help you get a step closer to finding your own truth.


I respect your approach in this response, I'm open to what you have to say. You start by wanting to present facts, but there are no facts. If there were facts, there would be no debate. We would know truth.



Hell was NOT created for man to spend eternity in !!!! Hell was created as punishment for satan and his minion who rebelled against GOD. The definition of hell according to the Bible is simply THE COMPLETE SEPERATION FROM GOD.

Mankind was created with body, mind and SPIRIT (our spirit made to last forever eternal - just like GOD HIMSELF). Earth was created for mankind to live on and be stewards of. GOD HIMSELF was on the earth with the first man ( and women ) to have a close. . . . A very crude and basic analogy would be the cancer gene - passed down from generation to generation in the family through the bloodline (genes/DNA).


We're created with innate desires and survival instincts. We operate on these conditions. If God didn't want us to do things, he wouldn't give us the instinct or desire to do so. Yeah we're given free will, but there are still physical law governing free will. I can't will myself to the moon.



I sincerely hope that some of what I have written will make sense to you. If not, then I hope that I have helped you know some facts that surround your questions. At least, I hope that I have inspired you to keep searching for truth and have maybe pointed you in a direction to start your journey from.

Glad tidings friend. May you find what you are looking for.


Again, I do appreciate your response. I continue my search. Man gave me a Bible. Man is corrupt. I cannot accept it as fact. We even have dishonest text books in our educational system teaching our youth incorrect information about our history (link to source). I just cannot accept it as fact, until I explore it for myself.

I believe a divine intelligence created the physical laws which we are bounded by in this dimension we live in. I don't think we were given the vastness of the cosmos, quantum mechanics, mathematics, and all of these other truly incredible discoveries, with a guide book of parables that cannot relate to modern day. See my other thread of Christianity Needs Updated.

I really want to believe, but my head is wired in a way I cannot just accept something man puts on my lap.

Thank you again for your response.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by Required01

You actually believe what you wrote? I don't see myself standing infront of a Gate being questioned. The bible is a load of bull, a way to control the masses 2,000 years ago! Grow up!

P.S. Santa and the easterbunny aren't real either!


At least you read the OP, thanks for participating.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 01:49 PM
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Here's where I'm going with this. My Bible says King James Version. 2,000 years from now, what if people are carrying around the Barack Obama Version of the Bible. Probably won't happen, but something like it probably has before. If divine word fell upon the earth, once man touched it; it became tainted. No good.

Much less we have several scripts other than the Bible, being interpreted thousands of different ways. You can't just jump on to one and say, I know this is Truth. Well, technically you can and a lot of people do that. Don't force it on me. No one in this thread is doing that, and I appreciate it. But take a look at your faith, how do you know you found Truth? You can't know it, you believe it. I don't know it, I seek it. I refuse to blindly accept anything given to me, I've been lied to before.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by micmerci
Where did this myth of Peter guarding the gates of heaven come from?

Where did the gold mansion myth come from?



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by mathematic
Today you died.


Well I'm still here, but the day is young



Originally posted by mathematic
The righteous man would have made all the right decisions, yet your 80+- years on earth are all rapped up into this interview.


Romans 3:10 "There is no one righteous, not even one"


Originally posted by mathematic
When you were four years old, you snuck a cookie . . . At 13, you smoked a cigarette. . . . At 20 you drank a beer . . . At 36, you killed somebody while driving a vehicle intoxicated. Or maybe you didn't.


The Bible doesn't really explain how the judgment will play out. The standard Christian take is that there are two judgments- one is for the believers and is strictly to determine their heavenly rewards (crowns) and the other is the White Throne Judgment, often portrayed as a trial where the already-condemned will be told why they're being sent to hell. Personally I don't buy it though, if one views God as a pure, perfect, just and loving creator, then He would know what environment He has thrust us into and He would know how weak we are against the forces conspiring against us and He would not condemn us for being weak or unbelieving. When it comes down to it, can we really blame atheists for not believing? I mean just look around at this hellish place we live in, do you see God's hand in this? Yeah, I know, we were born into sin, we live in a fallen world, blah blah blah. But the point is this, would a loving God (with PERFECT love in His heart for ALL His creations) thrust those He loves into this terrible world and then when they look around at this evil and can't find Him, condemn them for their unbelief? No, of course not. He would do that no more than one of us would throw our children into the wilderness where they forget about us and then toss them on a fire if they don't believe in us based purely on a book someone gave them. I believe God was the inspiration behind the Bible and that Jesus was His son, but I also believe that men wrote the Bible and let all their personal religious beliefs cloud the telling. I do believe there's a Heaven and Hell, but I believe we will go to one or the other by choice whether that's before or after death. To God death is nothing, we just pass from this world to His. It's just a thin barrier that humans pass through. God will reveal Himself to everyone either before or after they die, and they will choose to be with Him or be separated from Him. I fully believe that many people will choose separation even when offered the choice.


Originally posted by mathematic
You meet St. Peter at the gate.


Saints are a fabrication of the Catholic Church. They were all just regular people, they don't man the gates of Heaven.


Originally posted by mathematic
I'm just gonna say, God made me that way. I didn't make myself.


I don't think it'll be a Q and A session, I think we will be shown our lives through the eyes of others. We will know every time we hurt someone and how they felt about it. I've tried to be good, but I know I've hurt people too and I REALLY would not look forward to seeing how it made them feel. But I think we'll be shown the good as well, and then we'll get to judge our character for ourselves. A lot of people will discover their character is not the shining example they thought it was, and many others will discover they touched more lives than they ever thought possible.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by 1king2rulethemall
Hell was NOT created for man to spend eternity in !!!! Hell was created as punishment for satan and his minion who rebelled against GOD. The definition of hell according to the Bible is simply THE COMPLETE SEPERATION FROM GOD.

Do you believe that your god is all-knowing? If so, then he knew that when he created this place called "hell" that man would also be put there. So, how can you or the bible say that god created it only for the fallen angels? It is a lie, or your god is not all-knowing.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by micmerci
Where did this myth of Peter guarding the gates of heaven come from?

Where did the gold mansion myth come from?


The Saint Peter myth is courtesy of the Roman Catholic Church and is a complete fabrication. The mansions are from one of Christ's quotes:


John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.


He didn't say anything about them being gold, but I'm sure they'll be quite nice regardless



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by SavedOne
The Saint Peter myth is courtesy of the Roman Catholic Church and is a complete fabrication. The mansions are from one of Christ's quotes:


John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.


He didn't say anything about them being gold, but I'm sure they'll be quite nice regardless


In another translation, it says "rooms" instead of "mansions". Which is it? Now, if in heaven there is no darkness, no predators, no sickness, no bad weather, etc. why do you need a house to live in, much more a mansion? What are you going to do in it? Watch ball games? Invite people over to eat dead animals that don't die in heaven? Are you going to sleep in your mansion, while there's no darkness? Will your new body need rest? Is your mansion going to have electricity and plumbing? Are you going to use the bathroom or take a shower in your mansion? Will your new body need that?
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posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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I'm starting to feel like I'm lost in translation...What book are you translating? The meanings of words can be changed when translated. Not to mention over and over again.

I want to know why the vatican changed the wording of the bible from Holly Ghost to the Holly Spirit for example. I believed until recently that they could mean the same thing but I am in the process of questioning this and the fact that they could have different meanings.




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