Cain Rips Into Occupy Wall St Protesters, Calls Them "Anti-American"

Good on him...this country (and thread) is seriously disappointing me. I don't make a whole lot of money, but I'm not pointing fingers at anyone else but myself. I know that to make more money, I have to provide an ROI to the company I work for, as well as put myself in a high demand position in which I'm not easily replaceable...or start my own business.

Too many people have been raised to believe that working hard, or just working for an extended period of time for one company, should translate to a good living...which is completely off-base. I could work very hard going door-to-door sweeping everyone's driveway and not make more than a $100 a day...it's not in demand, and anyone can do it. So no one's going to pay that much for it (except out of pity). Does that make everyone evil? No, they just don't want your service. It's the same for every other job in the country. If you have low pay, you're either...

1) Not providing the company enough ROI (e.g. you make $50k a year + benefits, but what you do only really contributes $25k)
2) You're easily replaceable (why pay someone $5000 to mow your lawn if someone else will do the same exact thing for $20)
3) You're not good at negotiating (given you provide the ROI, and the company would be hurting without you)

Everyone blames the evil banks, but if people weren't so reliant on borrowing money then this wouldn't be a problem. All they're doing is providing you a service...it's your choice whether or not to pay for it. Nothing that they're doing is any different then what you do in your day-to-day life or career. This is no different than people thinking Wal-Mart is evil, and then going to shop there anyway because it's cheaper. Or saying "too many jobs are being outsourced", and then buying those products and using those services anyway. If you don't like where you're at in life, stop blaming other people and figure out what YOU can do to get to where you need to be. If you're not willing to put in the effort, then deal with what you're dealt.

Yes, Mr. Cain, because it's an even playing field.

The government let the power become condensed, and now we have mega rich elites who control the world. Thank you Woodrow Wilson!

Originally posted by n o o d l z
Good on him...this country (and thread) is seriously disappointing me. I don't make a whole lot of money, but I'm not pointing fingers at anyone else but myself. I know that to make more money, I have to provide an ROI to the company I work for, as well as put myself in a high demand position in which I'm not easily replaceable...or start my own business.

Too many people have been raised to believe that working hard, or just working for an extended period of time for one company, should translate to a good living...which is completely off-base. I could work very hard going door-to-door sweeping everyone's driveway and not make more than a $100 a day...it's not in demand, and anyone can do it. So no one's going to pay that much for it (except out of pity). Does that make everyone evil? No, they just don't want your service. It's the same for every other job in the country. If you have low pay, you're either...

1) Not providing the company enough ROI (e.g. you make $50k a year + benefits, but what you do only really contributes $25k)
2) You're easily replaceable (why pay someone $5000 to mow your lawn if someone else will do the same exact thing for $20)
3) You're not good at negotiating (given you provide the ROI, and the company would be hurting without you)

Everyone blames the evil banks, but if people weren't so reliant on borrowing money then this wouldn't be a problem. All they're doing is providing you a service...it's your choice whether or not to pay for it. Nothing that they're doing is any different then what you do in your day-to-day life or career. This is no different than people thinking Wal-Mart is evil, and then going to shop there anyway because it's cheaper. Or saying "too many jobs are being outsourced", and then buying those products and using those services anyway. If you don't like where you're at in life, stop blaming other people and figure out what YOU can do to get to where you need to be. If you're not willing to put in the effort, then deal with what you're dealt.

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You said it. This is the worst entitlement generation I've ever seen. Everyone wants stuff for free without working hard for it, there are a few that will put their noses to the grindstone but this is rare.

Everyone sees what the self made people like Cain have and want the same, but don't realize that he's put in his graft in the trenches in order to put himself in the position that he's in.

The American Dream is alive and well, you just have to work hard and not sign yourself over to the banks in the form of massive debt in order to get the toys you think you're entitled to but don't want to pay for.

Our grandparents' generation saved for everything, put things on layaway, and scrimped and worked hard for every luxury they had. It's time that we went back to those morals instead of just demanding stuff we can't afford right now.

Watch, he'll come out eventually and say "Oh but it was a joke. C'mon America, have a sense of humor!"

You know what Cain?

Go fu*k yourself.

Originally posted by nihonjindesu08

Originally posted by TreadUpon
He also said (paraphrase here) You don't have a job? You aren't rich? Blame yourself not the banks.

If Self-Reliance is American, these people obviously aren't.

Step out of your Statist bubble and you'll see that Cain has more in common with the people then you do.

God, people are so ignorant.. Blame yourself if you don't have a job or aren't rich? PLEASE tell me you are joking.

I was job-searching this summer and it took me over TWO MONTHS to finally get one, and it's minimum wage.

If you somehow think there's just jobs everywhere to go around, you need a reality check, friend.

As for the getting rich part, well.. We can't all be billionaires now, can we?
Half the businesses someone could start have already BEEN started and are so big that there's no way a small business could even BEGIN to compete with them..

You crazy.

If you're not getting jobs, then you're not worth it. Just because you're an American doesn't make you entitled to a well-paying job. Find a new sector, find a niche, move somewhere else, get some more schooling/training, or start your own business. Why do you expect someone to pay you for something they don't necessarily need/want?

And I hate when people bring up this "too big to fail" crap, the reason that happens is BECAUSE of government regulation (and assistance). It's too difficult for a small business to get started because of all the BS that has to be done to comply with local/state/federal laws...believe me, I'm trying. It's much easier for a well-established company with a huge customer base to adapt to new regulations than it is for a brand new business starting from scratch.

The other issue is that people like those in this thread that continue to use big business even though they're complaining about it. Small business would rule the country if citizens chose to consume from them. Instead, they like the stability and consistency they see from a big business.

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That organizer uses the term "New Age Radical movement" and "Bring Revolutionary change to these States". Wow in their own words.
So socialism in the form of community organizing and labor unions to bring revolutionary change to the States, get rid of capitalism using a New Age Radical movemenet. Wow

This is total and definitive proof who now owns and control the Bagger group. Attacking anyone who dares challenge the banks while erroding everyone's rights and freedoms.

Yet, if you try and tell one of them this their classic reply is "Obama's a socialist!"

Not a thinking brain in the entire collective. How about after OWS finishes off the banks how about we target this group of racist, arrogant people!

He's just the token African American, his mere presence as a potential candidate for POTUS is a joke when he's NEVER held public office as his claim to fame is being a former CEO of a pizza chain.

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If you're not getting jobs, then you're not worth it

Please don't make statements like this. First, it's not true. We have more jobless now than we have had since the Great Depression and it's rising, and many are UNDEREMPLOYED. I heard one guy call in to a talk show, and he said that he hadn't talked to any of his friends because he felt so ashamed he couldn't get a job in his field. The guy was a structural engineer. If they are not building they are not employing engineers. The joblessness is a symptom of bad policies and manipulation. These protesters are saying that it's a product of Capitalism, which is also untrue. It's a product of excessive bureacratic regulations and taxation hurting businesses, among other things. The breakdown is so involved, you can't just say one thing and get the whole thing.
These protesters want to see the demise of Capitalism and bring in Socialism. That is the One World Globalist govt and the protesters are playing right into their hands. Many of them really believe that a Socialist Utopia will save them. That girl thinks that Socialism is going to bring them jobs with bigger salaries.
Ironically, Karl Marx said that labor should not have any particular value assigned to it, and that ppl should be given what they need by those who had more to give. It all boils down to redistribution of income.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
This is total and definitive proof who now owns and control the Bagger group. Attacking anyone who dares challenge the banks while erroding everyone's rights and freedoms.

Yet, if you try and tell one of them this their classic reply is "Obama's a socialist!"

Not a thinking brain in the entire collective. How about after OWS finishes off the banks how about we target this group of racist, arrogant people!

He's just the token African American, his mere presence as a potential candidate for POTUS when he's NEVER held public office as his claim to fame is being a former CEO of a pizza chain.

I'll go even a step further. He's probably a full blown communist(POTUS that is, since you are also talking about Cain), but he is still in stealh socialist mode for now. Are you going to tell me he didn't know his green jobs czar is a self-proclaimed communist? are you going to tell me that he didn't know about John Holdren's book and his ideas on mass medication of the water supplies to sterilize people?
This is evil incarnate.

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Holy crap, Horus and I actually agree on something! Star buddy for you!

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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Holy crap, Horus and I actually agree on something! Star buddy for you!

I bet you posted this before I qualified my statement as POTUS being communist. lol but ok I'll take the star anyway.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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If you're not getting jobs, then you're not worth it

Please don't make statements like this. First, it's not true. We have more jobless now than we have had since the Great Depression and it's rising. The joblessness is a symptom of bad policies and manipulation. These protesters are saying that it's a product of Capitalism, which is also untrue. It's a product of excessive bureacratic regulations and taxation hurting businesses, among other things. The breakdown is so involved, you can't just say one thing and get the whole thing.

It's absolutely true...if you could show a company how you could provide a $100k savings in one year's time, and want a $50k salary, they're going to hire you. So let me expand that to, you're either not worth what you're asking for, or you're not good enough at showing that you are. I agree with the rest of your statement.

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You have just declared to me that everyone who is jobless now is because they aren't worth a job. You're full of it buddy, at least on that point.
I negotiated the best I could on a stupid forklift job that I really didn't want because Im in IT but I don't have the field experience and everyone wants 5 years experience even in the entry level jobs. I pleaded with my super to let me keep working to make myself better, but the guy who trains wouldn't certify me. I never touched a forklift in my life and I worked very hard at learning. I'm convinced that it was Union bias. In the end, it was supposedly because I wasn't "fast enough". You know I thought the whole forklift thing was safety first but I guess where the dollar matters, it's something else entirely.
So you know what you can do with your little "youre not worth it because you dont negotiate" baloney.

And I'm not even supporting these Wall Street Protesters. I would have been on your side, but something about your position bothers me.

I appreciate you are defending Capitalism and free enterprise, but at the same time you are condemning people willy nilly without realizing that we ran headlong into a huge recession and people are really hurting right now. Who caused this recession? It was a lot of factors, it was a correction of the market, it was liberals forcing banks to give loans, it was Fannie and Freddie and greed, it was baillouts of the fianance sector, and yes they should never have gotten a taxpayer baillout, it is regulations on industry, it is the climate of socialism in the country, it is big labor, and corruption.


No no no, you didn't say you are not worth what you are asking for. You said if you don't get jobs its because you are not worth it. Maybe there is the error in communication, maybe you meant that you are not getting jobs because you are asking too high a salary...then where is the "youre not worth it" part come in? You are making a quantifier that doesn't belong in a general discussion.


Anyway, there is really something wrong when I am not worth a darn 7.55 dollar an hour forklift job because some Union stooge didn't like that I wasnt signed on to the Unions and had to make up an excuse to get rid of me.
The Super said, "It's not you", but that's as far as he went with it.

The crickets...

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Well, he's out of the race now.

Dunno, but all the protesters I see were sporting corporate made cameras, designer clothes, sunglasses and other corporate kitch. It's a little like protesting world hunger with a Big Mac in your hand...

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Obama's not a communist.

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They were able to afford all of these name brands when they had jobs and now that they ain't got a job anymore doesn't mean jack squat.

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to call protesting anti-american shows just how far out of touch these politicians are. take corporate contributions out of campaigning and that's when you'll hear someone that represents the people.

reply to post by n o o d l z


I actually agree with most of your other statements. And Cain I think is a smart man, a self made man, and our country was made great by people who worked hard. No doubt about it. But the cards have become increasingly stacked against the middle class, and it's been deliberate. Alex Jones even said it in his most recent show on this protest. Class warfare is designed to build a wall between the haves and the have nots. That way they (communists) can have a revolution. They have to get rid of the intermediary class( the bourgeois merchants) because that is a rung on the ladder between rich and poor. That is why Karl Marx railed against the petty bourgeois, and why this class of people has to be disabled, or the Elite will not have the revolution they want to make the fundamental change.
In the 50's we still had a very nice comfortable middle class. At the same time, class warfare is being waged as a way to achieve "social and economic equality" because that is what socialism is. It is forcing equality on everyone based on the idea that no one should starve or struggle, based on the Nanny State idealism. They have to take Capitalism down to achieve it.
So what is wrong with Capitalism then and why do the communists rage at it so? Capitalism means that if you really work hard, you can lift yourself up out of poverty. This was and still is the American Dream. That dream has been shattered over decades of Socialist programming and a Progressive income tax which literally penalizes success. The more successful you are the more you have to pay. Why would anyone want to work hard if they just have to give it up to everyone else because Michelle says we have to give up our pie so others can have more? That is truly Marxism.It is completely destructive and means no one can really lift themselves up past some arbitrary number( was it $250,00o the decree of Barack? or did they lower it....)
And I cannot believe that these people are demanding global taxation. Are they freaking out of their minds?