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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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Most people in the western world who are poor are poor because of a lack of financial education? Anything to back that up besides misguided opinion?

Please go to a poor section of a major city in the US .. gather the residents about you .. and explain to them how it's their financial ineptitude and lack of education that is the cause of their poverty.

And by all means lets ignore the fact that a teetering and broken economic system will limit all opportunity regardless of type. Or that as the economy worsens, more and more companies will be trimming jobs, the ones that haven't been outsourced yet that is. If they don't relocate all together.

The crux of the matter is that 1% of the people control a wildly disproportionate % of all wealth. Now that 1% is not likely to just say "yeah I have too much, let's even things out a bit". Their attitude is "what I have is mine, you guys go get your own". Most people in that position would feel that way.. they are playing the game so to speak.. and winning. The problem with that is .. in the end.. they are just 1%.. if not less, and the other 99% is increasingly dissatisfied with the great divide of wealth. As things worsen with the economy, this sentiment will grow, and likely result in violence. I'm not saying violence is the only solution; just the likely one.




posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by expat2368
This is what happens when all the wealth gets concentrated into the hands of such a small percentage of the population.

Read the works of the economist Ravi Batra. He sets out the whole thing and predicted it in the late '80's

Until people who are successful learn "stopping sense" and "how much is enough" it is a cycle that will plague societies of all kinds forever.


Um ,no.
This is what happens when people in power, or vying for total power pit one economic class against another.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by Biigs
I see this as one of the many looming problems thats about to errupt soon.

Would it be so bad if there was a max limit for personel wealth, before it becomes dangerous for the country that indevidual lives in due to the rich mans wealth respect and influence (also on the street side, celebraty value).

Once you hit 500m, is there really anything you cant do when you 'only' had 250m?

Besides buy a bigger island....


It does not matter.
You don't get to define that for others. You get to define that for yourself.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 02:51 PM
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So if you kill all the wealthy, then what is left? A bunch of murderers who are not only thieves but psychotic killers?

I don't get it, how did it ever create the change people wanted by beheading the rich?


Just a brief look at the French Revolutionary wars can show you what direction not to take by repeating what caused more bloodshed and an even greater loss of life for not only their countries but all the other ones that it had inadvertently affected.

For those who sought a better way of living, they soon discovered that it was not as simple as cutting off the heads of the Hierarchy.

For decades after the initial assaults, lives continued to be affected socially, economically, religiously and were put through a torturous future of uncertainty from the initial choices which started in a mirror reflection of what we are facing today.

This is an interesting time which does imo reflect much of the same sentiments that we saw in the pre-dawn of the Revolutionary wars that still affect the lives of the French today.

Contents 1 Causes 2 Pre-revolution 2.1 Financial crisis 2.2 Estates-General of 1789 2.3 National Assembly (1789) 3 National Constituent Assembly (1789–1791) 3.1 Storming of the Bastille 3.2 Working toward a constitution 3.3 Women's March on Versailles 3.4 Revolution and the Church 3.5 Intrigues and radicalism 3.6 Royal flight to Varennes 3.7 Completing the constitution 4 Legislative Assembly (1791–1792) 4.1 Failure of the constitutional monarchy 4.2 Constitutional crisis 5 War and Counter-Revolution (1792–1797) 6 National Convention (1792–1795) 6.1 Execution of Louis XVI 6.2 Economy 6.3 Reign of Terror 6.4 War in the Vendée 6.5 The guillotine as a symbol 6.6 Thermidorian Reaction 7 The Constitutional Republic: The Directory (1795–1799) 8 Symbolism in the French Revolution 8.1 Fasces 8.2 Liberty cap 8.3 Liberty Tree 8.4 Hercules 9 Role of women 9.1 Feminist agitation 9.2 Women writers 10 Legacy

en.wikipedia.org...

*I am not stating that we do nothing, yet the guillotine never worked.*


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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by Biigs
I see this as one of the many looming problems thats about to errupt soon.

Would it be so bad if there was a max limit for personel wealth, before it becomes dangerous for the country that indevidual lives in due to the rich mans wealth respect and influence (also on the street side, celebraty value).

Once you hit 500m, is there really anything you cant do when you 'only' had 250m?

Besides buy a bigger island....


How is one like Soros expected to take over the world with a paltry 500 million??? He already gave out over a billion in his quest for power and needs more.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 03:08 PM
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What if you've done that, served your country, spent many years giving back to the community, and then had your government hand you a bill for tens of thousands of dollars because they 'didn't take enough tax off of your pay'.


Seriously?

Sell anything that is registered in your name to a close relative (or someone you trust) for $10 each item.

Own a house? Sell it to your brother or sister or someone for $10.

A flash, valuable car or truck etc? Again, sell it for $10.

Antiques, jewellery, electronics..in fact anything in your name that has value, sell it this way.

GET a RECEIPT and GIVE a receipt with every 'sale' and the government can't touch you, or more specifically can't touch your assets.

If you simply gave them away, they have the power to confiscate them back to auction off to recover the money you're going to tell them to go whistle for.

If you own nothing, they have nothing to take from you...see what i'm getting at?

And you can't go to prison for debts.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 03:12 PM
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Everyone supposedly pays tax but all the loopholes are for the wealthy. I see no need for an additional surplus tax, just collect what your supposed to collect so the state does not go bankrupt.

I think most people took the report out of context to generalise the concept of class warfare. I would not be suprised if it was intended as cannon fodder to paint a black picture of the thousands protesting against the criminal acts of wallstreet. In europe they have police provocateurs dressed as anarchists with hoods on their heads vandalising shops anytime a union is protesting against government legislation.

False flag terrorism is very common by al-cia-da and other right wing paramilitary groups.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by Resinveins
reply to post by TheBandit795
 


Most people in the western world who are poor are poor because of a lack of financial education? Anything to back that up besides misguided opinion?


Very simple... If you don't know how to handle money, don't know how to save, how to compartimentalize your money, don't know how to invest your money and let it work for you, all you know about money is how to spend it, you will stay poor for the rest of your life.




What Causes Poverty


Many folks believe that poverty is caused by a lack of money. But that is merely the symptom, not the cause.
I believe that poverty may be caused by lack of opportunity, but is perpetuated by poor economic decision making.


10 Lottery Winners Who Lost It All

1 in 3 Lottery Winners Broke Within 5 Years


The moral of the story? If you're bad with money you're going to be broke. Even if you win the lottery.


See Money Differently to Attract More


My first clue that it was my mentality that was holding me back was when I asked a friend who was well off if they wanted to do something that cost money. “I don’t have any money,” he told me.

“What are you talking about?” I said. “You have all kinds of money. What about the $300 you made last night?”

“That money is for rent. If I make a little extra money tomorrow we can hang out.”

I couldn’t believe my ears. Rent wasn’t due for two weeks. Besides, this guy was trying to tell me that he didn’t have any money and everyone knew that he was doing just fine. Why couldn’t he just spend that money now and use the money he made the next day for rent?

Compartmentalize Your Money

What my friend understood (and I didn’t) was that all money is not created equal. He gave every dollar a purpose from the minute he made it. I learned that if I was going to learn to keep more of my money, I would have to learn to compartmentalize it.

When each dollar has a purpose in its own compartment or category, it is free to pursue its intended goal. A good example is the difference between principal and interest in an investment. A person who doesn’t compartmentalize blends the two into one category: just plain money. Using this mentality, they might dip into the principal and diminish its power.

A savvy person knows that the principle is never to be touched. They might move the principle from one investment to another, but it will always remain invested. The interest, on the other hand, might be harvested as passive income, or reinvested. Principle and interests are two different types of money with different assigned values and barriers to access.


Poor people usually spend most, if not all of their money on things that lose value.


Financial Literacy, Silver Rights and America’s Drop-Out Generation, by John Hope Bryant


I believe that one way to show kids the relevancy of education is to teach them the language of money at an early age. To link education with aspirations, and to show kids how they can get rich, legally. That’s the power of financial literacy, or what I see as the first step in our growing “silver rights” movement, and the power of education too.

Without question, education is the ultimate poverty eradication tool, for when you know better you tend to do better. But financial literacy is the means by which one moves from simply avoiding the poverty trap to embracing a true prosperity agenda; for themselves, their families and their communities.

Prosperity as the partner to peace.




Please go to a poor section of a major city in the US .. gather the residents about you .. and explain to them how it's their financial ineptitude and lack of education that is the cause of their poverty.


Gladly, I’d refer them to this blog post: Its Your Fault





And by all means lets ignore the fact that a teetering and broken economic system will limit all opportunity regardless of type. Or that as the economy worsens, more and more companies will be trimming jobs, the ones that haven't been outsourced yet that is. If they don't relocate all together.


Check out this site: Economic Freedom

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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 03:24 PM
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One more point, it never placed food on the tables of the starving to lop off the heads of those they deemed rich.

As in the past the granaries (food distribution warehouses) only hold so much grain, once they are 'taken' those in the position to 'replace' the grains cannot without their necks...

Same situation here, if the ball starts rolling of simply going out and killing those deemed rich, every warehouse in the country will be emptied by those same 'rich' in the first several hours and taken into the underground bunkers leaving the rest of the havenots to starve themselves out.

Grocery stores, factory farms, will be empty in a matter of hours. But the starvation will be quick.

There ARE solutions, but haphazardly going out on a killing spree of those considered wealthy is just plain stupidity and a very very bad plan.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 03:27 PM
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Excellent post! What more can I say other than that this is the truth noone realizes.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 03:37 PM
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Your painting an overly white versus black picture. I don't think anyone can disagree with what your saying, but earning money and investing it wisely is one thing, and greed that leads to corruption of virtually every american institution is quite another.

Even in capitalism there should be do's and don'ts. Such as banks acting like banks rather than investment houses(glass steagel act), no coporate bailouts for the "too big to fail"(it pisses me off to no avail knowing that if I start a business and fail its MY RESPONSIBILITY ALONE and no one is obligated to help, BUT when it comes to big corporations the taxpayers should bail them out), accountablility by the FED as demanded by Ron Paul and many others, no wars with make believe excuses just to line some pockets, no selling the same mortgage 20 times in different CDO packages, lying about the state of the economy and unemployment, etc.

Why do right wingers ONLY blame "the poor"? This is hypocrisy at its finest! Some people have better opportunities than others because they are smarter, their parents are already wealthy and can afford better schools, they have important social connections, ...whatever!

Either we live in a jungle or society needs to become ethical again. If corrective action is not taken soon and the people responsible for the crimes punished, then the only possible outcome will be violence.

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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by TheBandit795
 


Your painting an overly white versus black picture. I don't think anyone can disagree with what your saying, but earning money and investing it wisely is one thing, and greed that leads to corruption of virtually every american institution is quite another.


Greed and corruption will never cease to exist unless certain spiritual realities are understood (but that's another thread topic). But that did not stop enterpreneurs and financially literate people from becoming financially independent.

The Rothschild's and the Federal Reserve (with their fractional reserve banking) did not stop Steve Jobs (RIP) from becoming a billionaire, and they didn't stop tons of people from becoming rich and financially independent.

In fact it's possible to use what you know about fractional reserve banking, the Fed etc... to your own advantage and legally capitalize on it.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 04:01 PM
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WOW! Your basically saying its ok to be a parasitic capitalist and take advantage of anyone you can because we don't yet understand spiritualism
Please tell me I am not "reading" you correctly because I STRONGLY DISAGREE.

In fact it might be the reason why america turns socialist after 50 years of McCarthism and his witchunt of communists. And just in case you plan on insulting me by calling me a communist please read my avatar of *free market socialism*-basically centrism.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 04:11 PM
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Ahh like I said.. anything but misguided opinion.. which you've just given me more.. misguided, ntm unrealistic opinion.

In any event you fail to see the true problem. "It's your fault". Interesting sentiment. Totally irrelevant as well. Whoever's fault this disproportionate distribution of wealth is, whether it's the "poor" for mishandling finances or the "wealthy" for being so overwhelmingly greedy and power hungry... doesn't matter. The divide exists.. and with every passing day it grows ever wider.. and with every passing day that divide makes maintaining a peaceful and relatively orderly society less and less tenable.

In a perfect world, telling people to save your money, be thrifty, let your money work for you.. or any other platitude you care to insert might have a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding, unfortunately that world only exists in dreams. When an overwhelming majority of humans decide they don't like someone or something history will tell you the result. Ask a native american.. or any other indigenous people what happens in those situations. Either outright destruction or if you're lucky.. a less violent absorption.

My point is this.. the tone of things is already violent. Very much so. And it's only getting worse. And I just cannot see a logical way.. a realistically logical way.. to fix the balance and defuse the situation and avoid some kind of major social upheaval. That is why I see this ending violently. Human nature will ensure that. And I really wouldn't want to be one of the wealthy on that day. The mob rules.. such is life.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by TheBandit795
 


WOW! Your basically saying its ok to be a parasitic capitalist and take advantage of anyone you can because we don't yet understand spiritualism
Please tell me I am not "reading" you correctly because I STRONGLY DISAGREE.


Lol!! I don't understand how you can come to that conclusion after reading my post. Of course I didn't say that.



In fact it might be the reason why america turns socialist after 50 years of McCarthism and his witchunt of communists. And just in case you plan on insulting me by calling me a communist please read my avatar of *free market socialism*-basically centrism.


Why are you trying to assume what I am thinking or want to say???



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by Resinveins
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Ahh like I said.. anything but misguided opinion.. which you've just given me more.. misguided, ntm unrealistic opinion.



Suit yourself...




In any event you fail to see the true problem. "It's your fault". Interesting sentiment. Totally irrelevant as well. Whoever's fault this disproportionate distribution of wealth is, whether it's the "poor" for mishandling finances or the "wealthy" for being so overwhelmingly greedy and power hungry... doesn't matter. The divide exists.. and with every passing day it grows ever wider.. and with every passing day that divide makes maintaining a peaceful and relatively orderly society less and less tenable.


And knowing that helps me how???



In a perfect world, telling people to save your money, be thrifty, let your money work for you.. or any other platitude you care to insert might have a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding, unfortunately that world only exists in dreams.


I can see that we can't discuss this further if you and I have such a fundamentally different view of personal finance and reality. I'm sorry... For me what I posted just seems logical, which also seems to be the case with you and your posts.


My point is this.. the tone of things is already violent. Very much so. And it's only getting worse. And I just cannot see a logical way.. a realistically logical way.. to fix the balance and defuse the situation and avoid some kind of major social upheaval. That is why I see this ending violently. Human nature will ensure that. And I really wouldn't want to be one of the wealthy on that day. The mob rules.. such is life.


And then the chance is huge that there will be either complete anarchy, or a strongman will come in place and impose a new form totalitarianism. Sounds like France in the 1790's... Or Russia ca 1918... Prepare for a new authoritarian ruler afterwards.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 04:27 PM
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Perhaps we had a misunderstanding. In that case I apologise.


And by parasitic capitalist I meant a small minority who takes advantage of a multitude of loopholes to produce profit he/she is not entitled to. In no way should this be confused with your average business man/women earning an honest living.

But above all its the politicians fault for not restricting lobbying to an appropriate level and the peoples' fault for being ignorant and/or complacent for so long. Its like a rape victim not making their intentions clear enough for the rape suspect.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
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But above all its the politicians fault for not restricting lobbying to an appropriate level and the peoples' fault for being ignorant and/or complacent for so long. Its like a rape victim not making their intentions clear enough for the rape suspect.


I do agree that lobbying should be restricted or even outlawed...

Apology accepted btw...
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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 05:37 PM
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I have never actually had the pleasure to meet a wealthy protester. I know they do exist on rare occasions ( David Gilmour's son Charlie Gilmour is the only one that comes to mind).

Is this some kind of illuminate plot to control and enslave us all or something ?

To be fair I am not at the bottom of the food chain monetary wise , Is it the richer you become the cheaper your life is worth or do you have to earn the " you should just die now " tag.

Call me old fashioned but do i sense a touch of jealousy in this thread , not that anyone one would keep a vast sum of money ......since you would all give it away to the poor and end world famine.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 06:05 PM
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Hmm.

I'm betting the top 10 global corporations have wayyyy more liquid cash than the top 10 nations - and NONE of the responsibilities. Comparatively speaking.



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