So, Steve Jobs is dead... but what did he really give us?!?!

reply to post by krzyspmac

But don't say Jobs didn't change the world for the better. I really think if it wasn't for Woz & Steve computers would stay in big businesses and corporations for a while longer. I really think the mass "computerazation" is accelerating human progress. It was like giving people more affordable printing press thus accelerating our ascent to where we are not.

"Mass computerization is accelerating human progress"??

Maybe for the humans who run the company’s that replaced people with machines when they became computerised... but what about the people who lost their jobs?!?!

If you define progress as the tiny minority of elites gaining more wealth and more power at the expense of the lower classes then yeah... we have made progress.

I admired Steve Jobs for his creativity, his intellect and his ability. That is not the same thing as condoning corporate greed, or corparate rape.

If I had a 10th of his success at building a business based on being "better", then I would be happy.

Better, to me, does not mean screwing people over, it means outclassing them.

Originally posted by Muckster
reply to post by krzyspmac

 

But don't say Jobs didn't change the world for the better. I really think if it wasn't for Woz & Steve computers would stay in big businesses and corporations for a while longer. I really think the mass "computerazation" is accelerating human progress. It was like giving people more affordable printing press thus accelerating our ascent to where we are not.

"Mass computerization is accelerating human progress"??

Maybe for the humans who run the company’s that replaced people with machines when they became computerised... but what about the people who lost their jobs?!?!

If you define progress as the tiny minority of elites gaining more wealth and more power at the expense of the lower classes then yeah... we have made progress.

I can see you're an angry person I'm an optimist and I see I will find no common ground with you.

I have access to more books I've ever had and I use that all the time.
I can communicate with loved ones that are on the far side of the earth for pennies, I keep a constant contact with them.
Internet and computers allow me and my friends who are immovable to see different parts of the world, online, constantly, they are a part of the world.

If you're just going to stick to one side of the coin - there will never be any discussion.

reply to post by krzyspmac


You could do the same with any other tech device for half the price of Apple


Jobs didn't invent a single thing you listed

reply to post by MasterGemini


Sure but I don't spend money easily. In Poland Apple products are expensive. My Mac is 7 years old and still kicking and I'm not planning to change it. Since I drive a car that burns less than half a galon of diesel I can spare money to have an os with no viruses Just a matter of concious choice And no.. linux is still not there I hope it will be, I do hope it will be soon.

reply to post by persianista

I admired Steve Jobs for his creativity, his intellect and his ability. That is not the same thing as condoning corporate greed, or corparate rape.

If I had a 10th of his success at building a business based on being "better", then I would be happy.

Better, to me, does not mean screwing people over, it means outclassing them.

That is a fair comment. It’s a shame we don’t have more people like you in big business...

I am not some drop out hippy just spouting off (not that there is anything wrong with drop out hippies )... i worked in Banking, IT and then for a major retail company for over 15 years so i know just how ruthless the corporate world can be and sadly many do not have your ethics and will happily screw people over for a foot on an extra rung.

Peace

Originally posted by MasterGemini
reply to post by krzyspmac

 

You could do the same with any other tech device for half the price of Apple

Jobs didn't invent a single thing you listed

edit on 6-10-2011 by MasterGemini because: (no reason given)

Jobs wasn't an inventor. An inventor needs someone like jobs to sell its product. If it wasn't for him xerox would have scrapped its project and nobody would use it. Things just don't pop up as products you know. If a corporation has no vision - its product will lack vision, like dos.

reply to post by krzyspmac

I can see you're an angry person I'm an optimist and I see I will find no common ground with you.

I have access to more books I've ever had and I use that all the time.
I can communicate with loved ones that are on the far side of the earth for pennies, I keep a constant contact with them.
Internet and computers allow me and my friends who are immovable to see different parts of the world, online, constantly, they are a part of the world.

If you're just going to stick to one side of the coin - there will never be any discussion.

Your dismissive answer completely avoided the points i made and just goes on to list all the things that have worked out great for you.

You then accuse me of sticking to one side of the coin?!?! It’s called having an opinion... it may be different to yours... but valid none the less.

You are correct about one thing; you will not find any common ground with me for as long as you believe you will not find common ground with me... Think about it!

Peace

reply to post by Muckster


I think the need for maximizing profits is the main motive for greed/inhuman corporate decitions. CEOs are on a thin line here. Stock holders expect money. If a corporation is not *increasing revenue*, not just earning money but not earning more than bere - CEOs are out. In a world when banks create money, thus inflate system with new influx of paper, where money becomes less and less valuable - you need to maximize profits :/ Until that changes - corporation will do the same things all over again.

reply to post by Muckster

Would the word have been that worse off had Steve Jobs decided to become a gardener?

Do you really believe that without Steve Jobs there would be no computers or internet?

Well said, Muckster. There just isn't much I can add to that. S&F

reply to post by Muckster


I've read your posts but they generally don't allow any space for discussion. What can I say? My opinion isn't set thus I am ready to discuss different options without having a strong opinion on them - which is crutial in you know... discussing.

If you think you're definetly right... what's the point?

Originally posted by krzyspmac
reply to post by MasterGemini

 

Sure but I don't spend money easily. In Poland Apple products are expensive. My Mac is 7 years old and still kicking and I'm not planning to change it. Since I drive a car that burns less than half a galon of diesel I can spare money to have an os with no viruses

Just a matter of concious choice

And no.. linux is still not there

I hope it will be, I do hope it will be soon.

No viruses?

You don't seem to be informed that the only reason Mac did not have a lot of viruses in the past was because its market share was so incredibly small.

Mac Virus
The Official Mac Virus blogsite
macviruscom.wordpress.com...

Well, of course, since we all know that there are no Mac viruses, never were any Mac viruses, and never will be any Mac viruses, Graham’s update to his article The short history of Mac malware: 1982 – 2011 should be really short. The fact that it isn’t may tell you something.

Its okay, I built a PC back in 05 and it has lasted me all the way until today (okay 3 weeks ago) where I replaced it with a $300 refurbished PC and add another $150 in upgrades (ram/ gfx card) and I guarantee you my rig blows away most any apple product available today.

(I do know the owner of the refurbish store so I got a 25% discount and did labor myself)

Well he gave us roads, sanitation, law and order, viaducts, under floor heating, medicine.

Oh no he didn't. That was the Romans.

Sorry.

R.I.P Steve Jobs.

E.T.A:- P.C's kick Mac's Butt, but apple have pioneered the likes of MP3 players and Smart Phones.

reply to post by Muckster



The positive, the good, is the faith can be shared worldwide in an instant. The downside,
makes you want to cry, young men...any age can look at porn on their I-phones.

In the New time, some call it the Millennium. Catholics refer to it as the Era of Peace. It's God's new time, the 7th Day, technology will be no more.

Originally posted by MasterGemini

Originally posted by krzyspmac
reply to post by MasterGemini

 

Sure but I don't spend money easily. In Poland Apple products are expensive. My Mac is 7 years old and still kicking and I'm not planning to change it. Since I drive a car that burns less than half a galon of diesel I can spare money to have an os with no viruses

Just a matter of concious choice

And no.. linux is still not there

I hope it will be, I do hope it will be soon.

No viruses?

You don't seem to be informed that the only reason Mac did not have a lot of viruses in the past was because its market share was so incredibly small.

Why am I not informed? No viruses is due it's small market share. It's one of the points I consider when swiching to a platform. Why that makes me uninformed? And please... I am hardly uninformed when it comes to computers

Originally posted by MasterGemini
Well, of course, since we all know that there are no Mac viruses, never were any Mac viruses, and never will be any Mac viruses, Graham’s update to his article The short history of Mac malware: 1982 – 2011 should be really short. The fact that it isn’t may tell you something.

No viruses on my mac. Since 7 years. And yes - I do check it, Mac is being used with a VM Win system.

Originally posted by MasterGemini

Its okay, I built a PC back in 05 and it has lasted me all the way until today (okay 3 weeks ago) where I replaced it with a $300 refurbished PC and add another $150 in upgrades (ram/ gfx card) and I guarantee you my rig blows away most any apple product available today.

So your's better than mine? Isn't that a little childish? Sorry, I just like MacOS, like BSD, like unix, I don't have to move to some powershell in windows and I keep away from linux till it gets a decent UI. I can guarantee my micro-kernel blows yours too, so there you go - childing play vs childish play

Originally posted by krzyspmac
reply to post by Muckster

 

I've read your posts but they generally don't allow any space for discussion. What can I say? My opinion isn't set thus I am ready to discuss different options without having a strong opinion on them - which is crutial in you know... discussing.

If you think you're definetly right... what's the point?

edit on 2011/10/6 by krzyspmac because: (no reason given)

Since when has not having a strong opinion been crucial in discussions?? Sorry but that’s nonsense!!

I have many friends from many backgrounds who have different opinions to me... we can discuss subjects for hours and sometime one of us will change our mind on an issue and sometimes none of us will... So what?!? You think you can come to a conspiracy theory site and that all discussions will be fluffy and un-opinionated??

You accuse me of being entrenched... but I see no movement from you... you claim to not have strong opinions but seem to strongly disagree with me... so what’s the difference?? I really don’t get the point you are trying to make... you behaving in the very manner that you accuse me of behaving, in fact it’s worse... at least I haven’t dismissed you opinion and tried to address the issues you raised!

Peace

I guess it's sad for his friends, family and colleagues but honestly, I found myself switching over whenever it was on tv because to me, I honestly don't get the big deal.

May come off as insensitive but honestly, he never impacted my life personally and I have never bought any of his company's products or owned any of them either.

The only good thing I can think of that he did was helping to create Pixar who have innovated thanks to the geniuses working there in the animation world. Everything else is just......there.

I don't want a phone that can connect to the internet or make a cup of coffee, I want one to make phone calls or send a text message if I can't get through (but even then, nobody calls/texts me and I don't call/text anyone else).

I don't want a bigger version of said phone without the actual phone functionality.

reply to post by Muckster


You see I'm having completely different discussions with my friends. We actually like to lean towards other viewpoints and try to speak for the opposite party that makes our discussions interesting because it's not entrenched.

I've spoked about corporate greed being rooted in maximizing profits or didn't you read that? That makes me entreched in my opinion "praising" jobs?

Really people, where do you get your hate from?

Incidentally it's already dark here, been a nice typing practice
Namaste

Steve wasn't the problem. It's the people who abuse his product, become obsessed and turn anti-social.

At the end of the day. It's the people that have control over their own life's, thus they themselves must take responsibility for any consequences that their choice entails.

It's the people's own choice that makes them turn into antisocial idiotic brutes. Not Steve Jobs choice.
It's the people' own choice that makes them turn into giant walking fatty acids. Not Ronald McDonalds choices.

Take responsibility for your own actions. Don't blame someone else.

I really appreciated Job's power to push his iProducts as individual and unique so well that now not using Apple iProducts is individual and unique. He definitely was a great salesman!