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Fast And Furious: 22 Shocking Facts About The Scandal That Could Bring Down The Obama Administration

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posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:07 PM
This is pretty crazy, not sure if it will bring down Obama but there is definitely a conspiracy going on here. Check it out:

#1 During Operation Fast and Furious, ATF agents purposely allowed thousands of guns to be sold to individuals that they believed would get them into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

#2 ATF agents were specifically ordered not to intercept the guns before they crossed the border. The following is a brief excerpt from a CBS News reportthat detailed the fierce objections that many ATF agents expressed when they were ordered to stand down....

On the phone, one Project Gunrunner source (who didn't want to be identified) told us just how many guns flooded the black market under ATF's watchful eye. "The numbers are over 2,500 on that case by the way. That's how many guns were sold - including some 50-calibers they let walk." 50-caliber weapons are fearsome. For months, ATF agents followed 50-caliber Barrett rifles and other guns believed headed for the Mexican border, but were ordered to let them go. One distraught agent was often overheard on ATF radios begging and pleading to be allowed to intercept transports. The answer: "Negative. Stand down." CBS News has been told at least 11 ATF agents and senior managers voiced fierce opposition to the strategy. "It got ugly..." said one. There was "screaming and yelling" says another. A third warned: "this is crazy, somebody is gonna to get killed."

#3 Operation Fast and Furious remained a secret until the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry last December. Two guns that were sold during Operation Fast and Furious were found at the scene of the murder.

#4 ATF Special Agent John Dodson was one of the first to blow the whistle on Operation Fast and Furious. Dodson explained to the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee on June 15, 2011 that many ATF agents were becoming extremely frustrated when they were ordered to cut off surveillance on the weapons that were being sold because they knew "that just days after these purchases, the guns that we saw these individuals buy would begin turning up at crime scenes in the United States and Mexico."

#5 It appears that Operation Fast and Furious began some time around September 2009. At that time, the ATF began pressuring gun shops near the border with Mexico to participate in a new covert operation that was being set up. The gun store owners were told to help the ATF get guns into the hands of people that would take them back to the Mexican drug cartels.

If this is true then it is pretty big. Corruption is rife my friends....

I can't stop thinking of Cuidad Juarez, they've had so many murders over the past decade its just madness, if the US is responsible for this then that is, well, a really big deal. I feel a bit outraged actually......
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posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:17 PM
reply to post by sir_slide

Not just corruption.

But sedition as well. These people belong behind bars.

posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:19 PM
reply to post by TDawgRex

Amen brother!

What these people seem to get away with is just murder, literally.

posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:20 PM
This should be one of the top stories in the MSM, but they are silent.

I hope more info comes out, and they fry Obama. What goes around, comes around Barry!!!

posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:25 PM
reply to post by sir_slide

Jail them all, and these are the people supposed to be running our government. Jail the CIA guys who were caught selling drugs to and the cops that maced the wall st. protestors and the ones firing tear gas at the Greeks. Holy # big list we're screwed.

posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:30 PM
this may be a segment on 60 minutes, but it will never come before congress

that is my skeptical opinion of the state of US politics, not my personal opinion of what should be done

posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:44 PM
I think I may be able to assist you to join some dots:

The great seal of United States has the unfinished pyramid, guess what the capstone represents??
(edit sorry bout the size I am not a techy)


you can read the whole book here

page n31-32, refers to the seal and the inclusion of Mexico into USA

the rest is a good read for anyone who wants to know more about the mystery schools and secret societies.

acknowledgements to William Cooper for the reference re book title - I was dumbfounded to see it is online!

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posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:48 PM

WASHINGTON - The new acting director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said Wednesday he was reassigning 11 of the agency's top officials in a bid to rebuild ATF after Operation Fast and Furious, in which agents let U.S.-purchased guns slip into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

ATF Acting Director B. Todd Jones said the reshuffling will help the agency focus on its "core missions of violent crime and public safety" and bring about "a certain level of accountability" in the wake of the controversy. "We're going to hit the reset button," said Jones, the successor to Kenneth Melson, who resigned in late August as acting director.

Two top officials who were involved in the operation are being demoted.

Deputy Director William Hoover - the No.-2 official under Melson - is being demoted to special agent in charge of the ATF Washington Field Office. His replacement is Thomas Brandon, who was appointed special agent in charge of the ATF Phoenix office after the controversy erupted.

Mark Chait, an assistant director who oversaw all ATF field operations, is being demoted to special agent in charge of the Baltimore Field Division. His replacement is W. Larry Ford, who had served as assistant director of the ATF Office of Strategic Intelligence and Information.

posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:55 PM
reply to post by Highlander64

Wow that's a really interesting thing to bring up. Do you think this is connected with those plans for the american union? It seems that they are spinning it in a way that makes it seem they were trying to get to drug cartel higher ups and it was mainly a bid to capture the leaders of cartels, although maybe something more sinister is taking place.

Always fascinated with earlier civilizations, atlantis included and there seems to be something to what you posted in my opinion. Thank you for posting that up.

What are your thoughts here?

posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 09:03 PM
thats only 5 shocking facts,,,

where are the other 17?

posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 09:03 PM

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
this may be a segment on 60 minutes, but it will never come before congress

that is my skeptical opinion of the state of US politics, not my personal opinion of what should be done

It is already before Congress. Issa and Grassley are heading the investigation.

I just hope they go slow (but as fast as reasonably possible) and get all the I's dotted and T's crossed.

If they go Fast and Furious (Pun intended), guilty parties will walk due to technicalities.

posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 09:08 PM
If I am not mistaken FF goes back almost a decade,any chance some previous administration a holes can go down with this ship? Alberto Gonzales leaps to mind

posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 09:10 PM

Originally posted by okamitengu
thats only 5 shocking facts,,,

where are the other 17?

you will find the 22 facts
if you visit the article OP linked to

posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 09:16 PM
reply to post by sir_slide

My thoughts are that
- the secret societies who apparently setup the US and run it from the rear, who wish to set up the NWO, have long planned to annex Mexico

- how would you do this and get away with it?

- hmmm, get lots of guns to drug runners, so they can shoot cops and create lawlessness
- keep the momentum up until the Mexican Govt cant control it and ask for help - maybe via UN
- storm in with the army and annexe the country
- along with some other false reasons which I am sure they have already thought of long ago

if you read the preface to this book you will see that they ADMIT that ALL secret societies are one and the same group including:
-rose cross
-stel group
-skull and bones
-ancient egyptian mystery school

in fact they say that THIS convocation, number 68, from the year 1916, in which this book was written, is the most important in the last 5,000 years

boy is that not a dead give away?

if you wish to get more background head to u-tube and search on "Willaim Cooper Mystery Babylon hour 1"

theres more than 20 hours after that one - I highly recommend this series

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posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 09:20 PM
reply to post by okamitengu

Right here:

#6 In some gun stores, cameras were set up so that top ATF officials could actually watch these transactions take place. Back in June, U.S. Representative Darrell Issa stated the following.... "Acting Director Melson was able to sit at his desk in Washington and himself watch a live feed of straw buyers entering the gun stores and purchasing dozens of AK-47 variants."

#7 It has also come out that in some cases ATF agents were actually the ones buying the guns and getting them into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. The following is how author Michael A. Walsh recently explained this in an article in the New York Post.... This just might be the smoking gun we’ve been waiting for to break the festering “Fast and Furious” gun-running scandal wide open: the Department of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives apparently ordered one of its own agents to purchase firearms with taxpayer money, and sell them directly to a Mexican drug cartel. Let that sink in: After months of pretending that “Fast and Furious” was a botched surveillance operation of illegal gun-running spearheaded by the ATF and the US attorney’s office in Phoenix, it turns out that the government itself was selling guns to the bad guys.

#8 According to the Los Angeles Times, guns that were purchased during Operation Fast and Furious have "turned up at dozens of additional Mexican crime scenes, with an unconfirmed toll of at least 150 people killed or wounded."

#9 Mexican authorities were never informed that thousands upon thousands of guns were being allowed into Mexico.

#10 Authorities in Mexico have asked the U.S. government over and over to explain what in the world happened during Operation Fast and Furious but they have not been given an adequate answer. In fact, according to the Los Angeles Times, the Obama administration has not even responded to questions from the attorney general of Mexico.... Marisela Morales, Mexico's attorney general and a longtime favorite of American law enforcement agents in Mexico, told The Times that she first learned about Fast and Furious from news reports. And to this day, she said, U.S. officials have not briefed her on the operation gone awry, nor have they apologized.

#11 U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder has been withholding key documentsabout Fast and Furious from Congress and has been consistently stonewalling U.S. Representative Darrell Issa, U.S. Senator Chuck Grassley and other members of Congress that have attempted to look into this matter.

#12 The acting director of the ATF, Kenneth Melson, had been cooperating with the investigation. At the end of August he was suddenly transferred to the Justice Department's Office of Legal Policy.

#13 Several other key officials that were heavily involved in Operation Fast and Furious actually got promoted.

#14 On May 3rd, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder testified under oath in front of the House Judiciary Committee on Operation Fast and Furious. During that testimony, Holder made the following statement....

"I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks."

#15 Since that time, a large amount of evidence has come out that Holder was not telling the truth. For example, a recent Fox News article discussed some of the very revealing memos about Fast and Furious that have been discovered recently....

However, newly discovered memos suggest otherwise. For instance, one memo dated July 2010 shows Michael Walther, director of the National Drug Intelligence Center, told Holder that straw buyers in the Fast and Furious operation "are responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to the Mexican drug trafficking cartels."

Other documents also indicate that Holder began receiving weekly briefings on the program from the National Drug Intelligence Center "beginning, at the latest, on July 5, 2010,"

#16 Holder now claims that he simply misunderstood the question. He now says that he had heard of Operation Fast and Furious previously but that he was not aware of the specific details.

Continued HERE

posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 10:00 PM
I just don't understand what the point of all this was. How could this ever be construed as a legitimate law enforcement operation?

If they had removed the firing pins or otherwise disabled the weapons, and just wanted to see how they were distributed, then OK, I can understand.

But to just supply all these live weapons to the cartels, doesn't add up. What the hell were they thinking?

I get the feeling some kind of kick-backs were involved...

posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 10:52 PM
Here is an interesting side question....

Obama would, in my opinion, if left allone with no party/political presure from any angle, NOT veto the Palastinian bid for statehood at the UN. He is forced to do it by party polatics, and the need to keep the voters on-side for the coming election battle.

If this does destablise his government to the point where he is unlikely to even think about running for president, is it possible he would, or could, decide that he personally has nothing to lose by voting with the majority. That he would rather side with his concience if his political battle is already lost?

Interesting thing to think about.

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 01:26 AM
reply to post by Highlander64

What you posted looks interesting enough, however it is very difficult to read. Assuming you may have a Windows PC you can import a photo or photo doc into Paint and resize it easily to fit the pages here.

Living here in Mexico before and after the Drug War commenced there is a profound change. Obviously this campaign is being conducted in such a manner to cause as much disruption, chaos, and violence as possible. The methodology of the Drug War here is about reverse of how it is being conducted in the US. Up north almost all efforts are aimed at the street users and mid-level dealers while largely ignoring the top level. Here the effort is aimed at the top players which is prompting the 2nd and 3rd tiers to battle for control or branch-off and compete for turf. US Special Forces advisors are here calling those plays while other factions are arming them for battle.

It certainly appears it is what you suggest, an agenda to invade and take over the Mexican government. Even with this insidious drug war going on Mexico is a much better place to live than the US in a great many respects. I want to see their little plan to fall flat. I certainly don't want to see the Mexican government become like the US.

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 01:30 AM

Originally posted by Shamatt

That he would rather side with his concience if his political battle is already lost?

You are assuming he has a conscience. That sort of reasoning is destined to fail.

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 02:22 AM
reply to post by Shamatt

I'm not sure although I get the feeling that no, it would not happen. I'm pretty sure there are certain measures that can be taken to prevent things like that, I dont feel that he really has any power when you break it down anyway. Interesting to bring up though

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