Stop Your Steve Jobs lies!! Dr. Mark Dean Invented the PC And He's A Black Man (can it be true??), page 6
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reply posted on 7-10-2011 @ 12:20 PM by Biigs
reply to post by andy06shake



I agree with you, they missed their rightful praise in the past when it would have a been a big deal, doesnt mean by todays standard its still a big deal.

Obviously credit where credits due and he desurves what should have come to him, but the "omg i black dude did somthing" isnt really the right way to go about it these days.

Tiger woods is just a golf man to me.


reply posted on 7-10-2011 @ 01:27 PM by schuyler
I agree that we ought to give credit where it is due, but that doesn't mean you get to make stuff up. This is not an example of giving credit where it is due; it is an example of giving wrongful credit. Dr. Dean is not without credit. After all, he's in the Inventor's Hall of Fame. That represents recognized credit. That doesn't mean you or I have ever heard of him, but people who know have, and the result is his induction into IHF. He's also an IBM Fellow. It doesn't get much better than that. So let's not pretend Dr. Dean hasn't been awarded the credit and recognition he deserves. He has.

I'm glad that OP has brought Dr. Dean to our attention. That's great, and as he says, we've all learned something. However, he did not invent the PC. Further, although he is given credit for the ISA buss, it's not as if that was an original concept either--nor did the concept last very long.

ISA = "Industry Standard Architecture" A more proper name for it would be the "IBM PC Standard Architecture." To claim it was an "industry standard" is simply not true. The first true "industry standard" buss was called the S-100, which was used in dozens of PCs PRIOR to the Apple ][. This allowed you to attach "cards," which were small circuit boards, to those early computers. Back then you needed a "card" for everything from a video monitor to a modem. The versatility of this approach combined with the open architecture allowed many companies to succeed in the marketplace by making just these cards. Most of those ancient computers used CP/M as an operating system, which is an 8-bit version of what turned into MS-DOS (a story in itself).

When the Apple came out in 1976-77 the IDEA of an "industry standard" architecture was continued, but it was an Apple version. This was still open, but was somewhat smaller than the S-100 industry standard. As usual, Apple was developing its own standard and it was wildly successful, though ONLY used by Apple.

It wasn't until several years later, in 1981, that IBM came out with their first PC with the clear intent to blow Apple out of the water. THAT'S when the ISA was introduced. They did the exact same thing as Apple in that their buss was their own, just like Apple had their own, but unlike the S-100, which was used by many manufacturers. In other words, the ISA was the THIRD major buss system introduced for PCs.

But IBM did something different. They allowed clones of their PC. So while the retail price of an IBM and the Apple ][ were very close to each other, the IBM clones were coming in at half the price. This allowed the IBM type computers to quickly take over the marketplace from Apple, which was in serious trouble at the time. Apple then developed the Mac and changed everything (also another story)

Next, IBM came out with a second generation machine, called the PC-XT, based on a 80286 CPU. The XT used a hybrid buss system. Much of it was the old ISA buss, but the XT also used several slots in an extended format, called an EISA buss. These had an extra set of connections to allow more complex cards. I believe it is in this area that Dr. Dean made his seminal contributions. This was the FOURTH "standard" buss architecture used by PCs in general use.

The "PC" (no longer just an IBM issue) then evolved again into what I would call "specialist" cards, so you began to see special buss structures designed for just video cards, for example. Further, peripherals that were run by these cards began to be integrated on the motherboards themselves. For example, modems were no longer external devices, but were built in. Printer ports were no longer based on cards, but were built in.

Today most people buy a PC and never open it up. The EISA buss structure has shrunk on the motherboard, the most common use being for the video card, which is far different today than the original ISA or EISA buss structure. In other words, the ISA/EISA structure had a limited life of about two decades, which is actually a long time given how fast technology changes. Meanwhile the Mac series of Apple computers remains proprietary and does not use user-accessible cards at all. It's an appliance.

The Mac is still a viable system and many people love it, but it is still not the dominant computer platform, which is still based on the original IBM-PC. Job's influence is far more prevalent in the "i" series of products: iPod, iPhone, iPad, etc. which have gone beyond the PC-like platform. He completely changed the music industry, completely changed the cell phone industry, and completely changed the way we, as a whole, interact with the Internet.

Dr. Dean did some great work. He has been rewarded for it, but ket us not hype it into something different than his actual contributions. He did not "invent the PC."


reply posted on 8-10-2011 @ 02:57 AM by Dark Ghost
reply to post by ProphecyPhD



I placed the last part in bold myself so you would know which part of the title I was referring to when I made my reply. I never insinuated that you placed it in bold yourself.


reply posted on 6-1-2012 @ 02:08 AM by Fiberx
reply to post by ProphecyPhD



He didn't invent the PC. He was part of several teams (lead of at least one) that innovated in the field. I have never heard of his "co-inventor" nor any member of the teams that did the reasearch and development on the projects, just the same as I have not heard of him 'til now. Steve Jobs didn't invent the PC either, for the record. He didn't even build the first Apple. IBM did make the first "PC" strictly speaking. That was not the first home computer though. Going back further, much more basic computers using vaccum tubes instead of transitors existed during WWII.


reply posted on 26-2-2012 @ 03:44 PM by PaxVeritas
reply to post by ProphecyPhD



OP, are you black yourself and feel that black inventors should be noted and celebrated as BLACK inventors?

I myself could give a damn if some inventor was black or not. Someone who contributes to technology should be celebrated as a PERSON. What does his race have to do with it.

It's crap like this that CREATES division. Why couldn't you just make a thread about a MAN that invented something? Why are you so concerned it's a "BLACK MAN" as if nobody knew of him because it's all a conspiracy to "keep the black man down"?
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