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Stop Your Steve Jobs lies!! Dr. Mark Dean Invented the PC And He's A Black Man (can it be true??)

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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 11:46 AM

Originally posted by DrumsRfun
reply to post by ProphecyPhD

Steve Jobs just died.
Whether you like him or not....have a bit of respect.
Now you want to get race into this and be disrespectful at the same time??

I think it might be just a bit too soon to bring this up.

edit on 5-10-2011 by DrumsRfun because: (no reason given)

Did Steve cared about people dying in world? no much though,so why would i respect him more than any other human being died???

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 12:17 PM
The first PC was the Xerox Alto 1973.

As for Apple, Steve Wozniak did all the engineering, Steve Jobs did the sales and marketing.

Dr. Mark Dean did indeed invent many parts of what we know today as a PC and he should be credited for such, but he did not create the concept of a Computer with a graphic interface, nor did he build one.

If Bill Gates has the courage to admit he stole all his ideas from the Xerox PARC then so should everyone else.


posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 12:38 PM

Originally posted by Pixiefyre
His definitely had a big influence in the growth of PC's but he did this as an employee of IBM and didn't start working there until 1980, whereas Steve Jobs and the Woz created the Apple I in (1975 Start starting from a garage with a wooden case) 1976, then introduced the Apple IIe in 1977 which I can tell you gained wide spread use within the business market. In 1988 when I started working as a lab technician at a fortune 500 chemical company the majority of personal desktop computers they were using were Apple IIe's.

Good job of debunking. You should have stopped there. The Apple ][e was not developed until the 1980's and was the third Apple ][ machine. The ][e was a complete rewprk of the 2 series with an all-new chip design which used far fewer chips, including the IWM chip for "Integrated Woz Machine" named after Wozniak. I think the ][e had 30 some odd chips where the previous Apple ][s had about 120. That's how far technology had evolved during those few years, 76 to 83.

I bought my first Apple in 1979. It was a plain Apple ][ which had integrated color and "Integer BASIC" (written by Wozniak) as a built in language. The next Apple was the Apple ][+. The difference here was that it had Applesoft BASIC as the built in language. Applesoft BASIC was an enhanced BASIC, written by Microsoft, which could handle floating point mathematics, among other things. That machine came out sometime after I bought mine (for $1500). After the Apple ][+ was the ill-fated Apple III, which was a flop in the marketplace. because of this flop Apple decided to rebuild the Apple ][ in an "enhanced" model which was the ][e in 1983.

On disk drives: The Apple ][ disk drives came out just before I bought my machine and cost $500 apiece, so that would be in 1979 or perhaps 1978. My machine used a cassette tape player as an input device and programs then came on those tapes. I traded my motorcycle, a Honda 350 for a second disk drive for the Apple. 16K of memory cost $120 back then.

To the person who insisted you could not call a device a personal computer unless it communicated with peripheral devices, you're making stuff up. The Commodore PET was completely self contained and was one of the first PCs.

Dr. Mark Dean worked on the IBM PC/AT, which was the second generation IBM machine which came out in 1984.

The OP is completely off base here.

"Stop your Steve Jobs lies!!!" Stop your own. Nobody said Jobs created the first PC. Jobs never said that either. There were several PCs prior to Apples, including the Altair,a kit.

"Dr. Mark Dean invented the PC." THAT is a lie. He did no such thing, as has been amply proven by others on this thread.

"He's a Black Man." That's nice. So is Herman Cain. Your point?

I've a feeling most of you weren't even born when this stuff happened. You might want to confirm your theories with someone who was actually there before you start making up history. It's not as if the source material is unavailable to you.
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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 12:44 PM
Many people participated in the computer industry to get it to the point that it is now. Some of them were African American.

No single person gets all the credit. Most will never become be household names like Steve Jobs.

This reminds me of an assignment one of my kids had during black history month. My child brought home a list of Black inventors that were credited with many inventions. When I searched the internet about these inventions, I found that most of these Black inventors did not in fact invent a machine or process but instead patented an improvement to an existing machine but Black History month made it seem like nothing would exist without these inventors.

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 01:02 PM
This Film tells the Story.

Google Video Link

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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 01:27 PM
You have got to admit, the title to this thread is kinda sensational but the pure amount of information presented here is outstanding!

Can one of you actually say that having read everything up until this point in the thread that there isn't anything you've learned about the invention of the PC?

Some people are upset because i pointed out that Dr Mark Dean is an African-American but when they get over that there is nothing but knowledge being spread in here.

And for the guy who said there isn't a Dr Mark Dean thread because we don't discuss that kind of stuff on ATS, this is the Science & Technology forum and computers and PC's are very much Science & Technology.

I do not visit ATS just for conspiracies, I visit ATS to learn about a whole wealth of topics.

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 01:43 PM
I would also like to say that this is a place to present and debate information. I honestly thought i was correct when i posted this thread. I have since learned that the modern day PC was not invented by one person or one company but rather by the contributions of many people and MANY companies.

Most shockingly i have learned that the computer might have even been invented in Germany!! Some people would rather hate than discuss a topic intelligently. If you disagree with me do not attack me, just tell me why you disagree and state some facts that i can research.

As far as the African-American thing:

African-Americans receive a lot of criticism for lots of different things. If this were a thread about a black flash mob no one would question why i referred to them as African-American but if i post something good about African-Americans everybody is up in arms and calling me a racist.

Things that make you say "hmmmmm"

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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 01:44 PM
who cares, A person invented somthing and OTHER people got richer than he did.

classic story.

Whats being black got to do, got to do with it?

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 01:47 PM
reply to post by ProphecyPhD

the biggest thing I have learned from this thread is how easily people (you, the OP) unconsciously skew events of the world around them to fit their own bias.

I don't mean to point the finger.....we ALL do it.

but really. you should be embarrassed.

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 01:48 PM

Originally posted by Biigs
who cares, A person invented somthing and OTHER people got richer than he did.

classic story.

Whats being black got to do, got to do with it?

Black people are painted as unintelligent, ignorant animals. Black people are described as contributing nothing to society.

A few pages back a poster said black people only contribute to sports and entertainment.

That is why.

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 01:53 PM
This thread is about inventing the PC... not about the accomplishments of blacks or other groups.

Please stay on Topic!!!!

Stop Your Steve Jobs lies!! Dr. Mark Dean Invented the PC And He's A Black Man (can it be true??)

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 01:58 PM
This being ATS i'm surprised that no one said:

Computers were invented by aliens who lose/give us technology that we just back engineer.

edit on 10/6/2011 by ProphecyPhD because: to stay on topic

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 02:02 PM
Im prettttty sure Mr. Jobs had his 1st PC out before Mr.Dean even finished schooling. And where are you trying to go with this??????

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 02:11 PM

Originally posted by PapaEmeritus
Im prettttty sure Mr. Jobs had his 1st PC out before Mr.Dean even finished schooling. And where are you trying to go with this??????

Actually as Cosmic4Life pointed out the first PC was the Xerox Alto 1973. So neither Dr Mark Dean nor Steve Jobs invented the PC.

As GI Joe used to say "Now you know, and knowing is half the battle"

I would also like to thank PixieFyre and Schuyler for all the knowledge they contributed to this thread.

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 02:26 PM
reply to post by ProphecyPhD

I know Jobs didnt invent the first pc, I was stating apple 1 was in production before Dean was even out of college.

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 02:46 PM
OP, technology doesn't have a skin color, nor any emotion to determine racism. With that said, you should have started your post with a title of "Let me introduce you to Dr. Mark Dean" or "Dr. Mark Dean - Major Contributor to the PC World as we know it". What you did was start off your post with a defensive racial context by using "And He's a Black Man" and a slam to a man whom has innovated hardware technology further than most.

It is what is and you have generated a great deal of wasted time by others calling you out for your racial intent which in fact you stated previously that overall you have learned from this post. I'm sure we are all happy that you have learned from this post and hope you will think twice before posting something of this nature in the future.

Now, let's just focus on the man you are talking about and what he has brought to the table versus the color of his skin. This is a technology forum, not a racial rant forum. This is what I have to add about Dr. Mark Dean:

Mark Dean (computer scientist)

Mark E. Dean (born March 2, 1957) is an inventor and a computer engineer. He led the team that developed the ISA bus, and he led the design team responsible for creating the first one-gigahertz computer processor chip. He holds three of IBM's original nine PC patents. In August 2011, writing in his blog, Dean stated that he now uses a tablet computer instead of a PC.


Born in Jefferson City, Tennessee, Dean holds a bachelor's degree in electrical engineering from the University of Tennessee, a master's degree in electrical engineering from Florida Atlantic University and a Ph.D. in electrical engineering from Stanford University. Dean is the first African-American to become an IBM Fellow which is the highest level of technical excellence at the company. In 1997, he was inducted into the National Inventors Hall of Fame.

Currently, he is CTO for IBM Middle East and Africa, previously, being an IBM Vice President overseeing the company's Almaden Research Center in San Jose, California.Dean now holds more than 20 patents.Dean led a team that developed the interior architecture (ISA systems bus) that enables multiple devices, such as modems and printers, to be connected to personal computers. Dean also led the design team responsible for creating the first 1-gigahertz RISC processor chip, another significant step in making computers faster and smaller.

Reference Link

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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 07:07 PM
The point of this whole thread is moot, Apple II is the first marketed "home personal computer", and it beat IBM (and it's engineers) to the punch by 4-5 years. I'm sure Dr. Dean would not be happy to see his name dragged into any discussion about how he is being slighted for racist reasons and would probably disagree with the OP on that score.

As proof over Apple being the first to market a personal computer, just look at their advertising, this from 1977:

Throughout their early advertising back in the 70's they used the term "personal computer".

This doesn't mean Apple invented the PC either, just were the first to successfully market a home PC. (a historical breakdown of home/hobbyist computers is here; Personal Computer Milestones

More at the Apple Advertising and Brochure Gallery

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 08:46 PM
reply to post by Blackmarketeer

Sorry but that is NOT a PC as we know it.

What you posted could never connect to ATS let alone the internet.

We are talking about the actual PC that we are all using now.

You could never be on the internet without the likes of Dr Mark Dean

I am not here to war, just here to present, study and discuss information.

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 10:01 PM
reply to post by ProphecyPhD

Actually you wouldn't be on the internet without the likes of Tim Berners-Lee and a host of other engineers who also didn't work for IBM, but that's neither here nor there.

It's likely IBM wouldn't have gone into the home PC market had it not been the direction Jobs and Apple Computer took that marketplace with their affordable PCs, starting with the Apple IIs.

You're attempting to narrowly define what a PC is, to the exclusion of everything that wasn't an IBM-compatible. It comes back to "PC" meaning only an IBM PC, as opposed to all the other computer manufacturer's making earlier non-IBM PCs. Of course it doesn't help that IBM chose to name their first PC the IBM PC, and it's widespread popularity leading to other manufacturers to cone it. So does "PC" mean IBM's first foray into the home computer market, or does "PC" mean a "personal computer" marketed and sold by a manufacturer?

As shown in the list I linked to earlier, several companies managed to build and sell a PCs from as early as the 50's, 60's and especially the 70's.
Apple was the first to successfully mass-market a PC, with the Apple II in 1977.
IBM marketed it's IBM PC in 1981.

Virtually every brand of early home computer manufacturer jumped on the IBM PC bandwagon when they were legally cleared to clone the IBM bios, eventually IBM-compatible became "synonymous" with "PC". Many of those early PC makers (like Columbia Data, Compaq, etc.) would have loved to jump in on Apple's territory too, but Apple's tech remained proprietary and heavily protected by patents. IBM literally found itself competing with it's own technology with other manufacturer's using their own PC standards, and IBM would eventually be pushed out of the PC marketplace. So if you are defining "PC" as only the IBM PC, then your post makes a logical non-sequitur, using what appears to be your definition of the PC as only the IBM PC - written in another way, you are claiming "Stop Your Steve Jobs lies!! IBM Invented the IBM PC". (Replacing Dr. Dean with IBM since that was his employer, and PC with IBM PC). Obviously no one is claiming Jobs or Apple invented the IBM PC. But Apple did invent a PC and market it long before IBM.

posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 10:19 PM

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
Who did invent the microprocessor? This goes back to the 60's 18 years before Dean went to work for IBM. There are at least 2 schools of thought on this.

Hmmmm.... who did "invent" the microprocessor? Was it invented or was it Reverse Engineered ATS thread

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