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Dennis Kucinich's message to Occupy Wallstreet WOW!!!

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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 09:59 AM
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This is a silly argument -- what matters is if someone is saying the right thing, and (most importantly) backing it up with the right actions.

Dennis Kucinich has pushed for justice, and impeachment for both George Bush and Obama for abuse of War Powers. He never set the bar LOWER merely because it was "his team" -- which I call integrity.

Also, some people are better writers than they are off the cuff speakers -- the important thing is; do they UNDERSTAND what they are saying? Seems to me that Kucinich writes his own speeches.

>> This "teleprompter debate" is always pulled out when someone has nothing else to criticize. I only think it is valid if someone is ONLY intelligent when they are spitting back words someone else put in their mouth. That fit with George Bush -- whenever he wasn't reading from someone else's speech, he sounded like a moron.

And I seriously have to question people who think Ron Paul is some kind of genius. His economic, education, and governance ideas are immature and poorly thought out and I could think of a dozen real-world examples of them IN ACTION, and none of those are in successful societies. Failed states, banana republics, and sweat shops all exist in areas that already implement Libertarian ideals.

Prepared speeches or not -- some people cannot tell if someone is worth listening to because they've been weened on nonsense paid for by the people who really know what is going on. Hedge Fund managers pay big bucks to be informed by experts and REALLY know what is happening in the economy. When Obama followed the Republican lead by "cutting spending", the stock market went down, even thought a lot of Hedge Funds and the wealthy were going to benefit from lower taxes and desperate workers -- they KNEW that less spending was going to reduce the market and the economy even though they preach the opposite.




posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 10:06 AM
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This guy is awesome! All of those ATS members that are putting him down, and/or putting down the occupy movement are either cowards or traitors (disinformation spinners). But that's ok. In this country you are free to be weak. The weak will benefit anyway from the strength of the courageous. That is how it has always been, and there's nothing wrong with that. But we don't have to pretend their points are valid.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 10:17 AM
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Give him some credit at least geez...
i thought that was a great message, REVOLUTION might be close



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by MrsBlonde
I love Kucinich
he is a man of great integrity and he comes by his conclusions about things from a position of love and compassion
he is a very brave man and has stood up to TPTB many times and gotten cut off at the knees for it.
he just gets up up and keeps fighting anyone who criticizes him should really study him ,he's one in a million
I am his friend and always will be


This. All these people drooling over ron paul should analyze kucinich, and see how has been demonized attacked, behind the scenes and in front, for his views and efforts to help "the little people". Ron Paul has had character assassination attempts for about 5 years. Kucinich is going on 25. Why?



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst

Originally posted by Daedal
reply to post by loveguy
 


The guy makes sense,but right at the beginning he mentioned his friend and "the Friend" said comrade..Then as the video moves forward the gentlemen speaking mentions Social economic equality.Sounds good..But supporting the word comrade and social in the context of this video representation has me looking the other way.
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We've done it the OTHER way since the 1970's.

Corrupt Government is NOBODY's idea of Government -- the idea that government is BAD is a self-fulfilling prophesy for failure. There is NO WAY to solve big problems, organize millions of people, or support commerce without SOME SORT of organization. If you only have anarchy, no rules, and "winner take all" -- eventually you have ONE winner who "takes it all." The game of Monopoly, we should all notice -- ENDS when one person makes everyone else bankrupt. The winner however, cannot keep playing when everyone else has no money.

We've been told that "redistributing wealth" is the worst thing ever -- it's stealing by Government. How do you think the rich got richer? Stealing from us with government. Big Agriculture gets corn subsidies and overpriced fuel. Big Oil gets land for pennies, military troops to secure cheap wells, tax breaks to drill as if it were a charity. Big Banking gets automatic payments for printing money, and the risk is on the taxpayer but the profits go to the bankers, and about every 14 years there is a bailout. Do we need more examples?

Businesses are not hiring because there is no market to sell to. There is no market to sell to because wages for the Middle Class have been flat or trending downward while the growth of wealth at the top has been geometric. Lower wages and outsourcing jobs made more profits for the owners. Greater wealth and power meant more influence in government. The ENTIRE problem is due to the success and concentration of wealth and power. UNTIL the money is redistributed -- somehow, there is no reason to EARN it again. The whole point of Progressive taxes isn't about "fairness" -- it's about preserving Capitalism AND that the only reason to have corporations is to benefit the Public - not to create wealthy, powerful people who can control the government.

Corporations are sitting on trillions of dollars right now -- they have their greatest profits ever.


NOBODY wants the status quo more than those who "won" -- but the entire economic system is breaking down because there is nothing more to WIN. The last source of "big money" is Social Security and government -- and that is exactly what is being targeted. Contracts for security, contracts to "manage" public resources, and contracts for prisons.

The only profit to be had now is from turning the middle class into surfs, and when we are no longer wealthy enough to "steal from" anymore, then it will be corporations targeting each other, until it's just a few corporations running the world.

>> Just as the industrial revolution created massive changes, I think now we are in a situation where increasingly powerful computers are creating the "end of labor." So many of the jobs left are shuffling paper. Accounting, money transfers, legal. People are cheaper still than robots, but that will not always be the case -- so the idea that you can work hard, study and always make a living isn't going to be true -- there will always be people who cannot work as hard and keep up so what do you do with them? There are always winners and losers -- but how much should people win vs. lose? That's the only real debate here.

Companies and markets cannot grow indefinitely. There are no NEW markets anymore, nor untapped resources that can indefinitely support increasing consumption. We are up against the carrying capacity of the planet. So unfettered capitalism and unmanaged resources are going to lead to catastrophe -- we cannot continue doing the same things we have always done.

The FUTURE is either some sort of Democratic Socialism -- or it's War and the spoils go to the winners, and finally they fight amongst themselves.


Thank you for articulating something that I have been thinking but have been unable to put into words. What you said here is very important and tackles many different subjects, but most importantly you manage to group them together in a "big picture" view point which for some reason or the other people tend not to do for themselves. Everything is connected and it takes people such as yourself that are knowledgeable or at least aware of the issues that we face to bring that out into the open. We must be careful not to use a band aid on a gash that needs stitches; hopefully real change happens.
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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 10:37 AM
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Am I the only one that fears if the Wall Street protests reach critical mass that they will be hijacked just like the Tea Party movement was?



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 10:52 AM
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I disagree with him cause he said the movement is too big to fail.
It's good for the protesters to get an endorsement from him.
He doesn't realize that the foundation of the movement mainly
want no money system or government and that is why they
occupy and not offer any solutions only problems.
Or does he?



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by Misoir
This is not a surprise to anyone who has listened to Kucinich before, as I have. We may disagree strongly on social and economic issues but he commands respect for his anti-war approach and opposition to the out of control banking system. I know Ron Paul is also supportive of these protests, although he would prefer they go in a more anti-Fed direction, as would I.


As i have been saying all along they are protesting in the wrong city. They should be doing this in Washington D.C. right smack in the middle of a congressional session. Going after the bankers is right too, but we need to focus more on corrupt government officials accepting these "gifts" and bribes for casting votes that are favorable to the corporate fatcats. A gift is just a pretty word for a bribe, it convyes the same meaning when used in a political and governmental position. Until politicians stop being on the take and start voting for the american people's principles instead of voting to line their own pockets, this nation will remain off the rails.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 11:16 AM
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It is short but GREAT speech. Thanks Mr. Kucinich !



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 11:18 AM
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The more this politicians are taking sides with the Occupy Wall street movement they more you get the hint that the protest are not going to go away any time soon.

This protest are here to stay, the economy make over of the US and the political body are both in trouble, politicians wants to look good supporting what will give them the most votes.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 11:22 AM
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Maybe he and all of congress should get their tails out there with them,and really show solidarity.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 11:25 AM
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RIP Dennis Kucinich. I guess he will soon be taken out!



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 11:34 AM
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thank you, thank you, thank you




this is it....this is our time


thank you


thank you



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by MrsBlonde
I love Kucinich
he is a man of great integrity and he comes by his conclusions about things from a position of love and compassion
he is a very brave man and has stood up to TPTB many times and gotten cut off at the knees for it.
he just gets up up and keeps fighting anyone who criticizes him should really study him ,he's one in a million
I am his friend and always will be


This. All these people drooling over ron paul should analyze kucinich, and see how has been demonized attacked, behind the scenes and in front, for his views and efforts to help "the little people". Ron Paul has had character assassination attempts for about 5 years. Kucinich is going on 25. Why?


I like both Paul and Kucinich. While I don't agree with many of Kucinich's views, but agree with about 99% of Paul's views, I know that Kucinich is a decent human being, cares about this country and cares about The People. I happen to like Nader, too, although I don't agree with many of his views--for the same reason I like Kucinich. Paul, Kucinich, and Nader joined forces in 2008 and have done so again. Imo, We the People, regardless of political persuasion, need to join forces under the views we have in common, and restore this Republic! We can work on fixing other problems later.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 12:09 PM
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Wasn't Kucinich the last line of defense for the health care bill in the US?

Didn't he flip flop at the last minute all because Obama held a meeting with him on an airplane?

I stopped trusting him at that point.

I'm therefore suspicious of his advocacy of OWS.

It brings to mind controlled opposition and engineered unrest.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 12:28 PM
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I believe it is a TRAP. Get riots started, crash the markets. Blame the protestors for collapsing the economy. Divide and Conquer is the game the Elites play. Order out of Chaos. I feel these protests are being manipulated by the same people that controls every other aspect of peoples lives. The puppet masters have just added another layer to the three ring circus.

Hopefully if I am right that this is being orchestrated, IT will backfire on the puppet masters. Once the momentum reaches its peak the puppet masters will not be able to stop the human wave. It doesn't matter who started the riots when enough folks join in. I imagine the Elites think they can keep control even when the herd of humans start moving. I will pray this is the end of an era. I also pray this is going to start the Age of Aquarius.

Peace to all.
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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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Agreed



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 12:58 PM
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It all too often just feels like lip service to me. Hard to trust anyone in congress or any branch of government now days. All smily glad hands ready to lend a closed ear and open hand. Any one of them would turn their view if the money was right. How they can sit there and not stand up an scream “WHAT WE ARE DOING AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WRONG!” is beyond me. I would be compelled to quit and loudly voice why so. Make no mistake he is a 1%er as are the rest, every last one of them, leftwing or right... same bird.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 12:58 PM
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now those people over 50, without hearing aids and thick glasses can get on board the occupy wall street phenomenon. you got no excuses now not to get bloggin and visitin the scene.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by MrsBlonde
I love Kucinich
he is a man of great integrity and he comes by his conclusions about things from a position of love and compassion
he is a very brave man and has stood up to TPTB many times and gotten cut off at the knees for it.
he just gets up up and keeps fighting anyone who criticizes him should really study him ,he's one in a million
I am his friend and always will be


This. All these people drooling over ron paul should analyze kucinich, and see how has been demonized attacked, behind the scenes and in front, for his views and efforts to help "the little people". Ron Paul has had character assassination attempts for about 5 years. Kucinich is going on 25. Why?


knuckles I think it's because he is right about things.Denis grew up homeless did you know that?
he understands human issues like no other politician that I know of. He is great man America treats him like trash and as a result gets what she deserves, We need to listen to people like Paul and Kucinich and stop following walking manikin ,empty suits like Romeny!





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