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OWS DOA or Simply Misdirected?

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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 04:57 PM
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I'm not going to quote you but simply say Fair enough you made your voice be heard on abundant virtues of Communism. Now let me ask you this. What personal experiences with REAL communism can you share with us?

As I've already stated in the Opening piece that if you're not in your late 50s or older and have lived behind the Iron curtain or in Red China under Mao how would one know what it's really like.

As I've also stated previously. The Academic version in a political theoretical study doesn't count. Why? Because in the REAL real world we have humans involved, complete with all their frailties. Such as greed and corruption etc. All the the things we saw happen in the East bloc and the old Soviet Union. There too they had a political elite Meanwhile the people stood in line for the essentials like Toilet paper not to mention trying to get MEAT.
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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by MikeboydUS
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I'm more than embarrassed.

I pity them.

This emerging generation is diagnosed over 50% with mental illness, stuck on prescription or illegal drugs, suffering from autism and Aspergers. I don't think they realize what they are doing.

To be blunt about it, the majority of this new generation suffer from mental defiencies and disorders that will either destroy the country or lead to the overthrow of the government by a militant mentally competent minority.

I don't know if its the food, the water, the radiation, the drugs, or what, but the youth of the US are suffering. The numbers of those suffering are growing and will quickly overwhelm the numbers of the mentally competent. Idiocracy is about to become non fiction in the next two decades if the trend continues, but it won't end like the film though. The competent minority will get desperate, militant and do whatever it takes to stop idiocratic mob rule.

Either way, the Columbian Republic as we know it is almost at an end. If history is any indicator, the transition from Democratic Republic to Stratocratic Empire will begin soon. All we need is our Marius and Sulla to show up.


Newsflash, we pity you also. Saying that 50 per cent of us are diagnosed with mental illness is just the icing on the cake for me though. Just because you don't understand the youth doesnt mean it is okay to slander them, its people like you who are delaying progress.

Im sick of old people calling us crazy, newsflash grandpa, we'll be in charge soon.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 05:27 PM
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Im sick of old people calling us crazy, newsflash grandpa, we'll be in charge soon.


Well, *I* wouldn't use the word "Crazy". I would say many are probably individuals with a "false sense of entitlement".
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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by Wookiep
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That's Sir. Don't try that patronizing tactic, it won't work.


If you've read the thread fully, then you would understand just how ignorant you have decided to be. Most people support the principle of the protest, but it's bordering on something that could turn out very bad. Just because your friends in Guy Fawkes masks say it's cool doesn't mean you have to ignore reality.


I don't think I said All members are trying to dismantle the movement, just some. This can only turn out bad if the rest of the country doesn't wake up.

As for reality, how can you ignore the reality that corporate America owns you? How can you ignore the reality that corporate America owns your government?

Jesus Christ, what happened to this site?



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 05:37 PM
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What's happening right now IS the new American Revolution. The American Autumn my friend. It's really upsetting that this country can't even have a revolution because some folks rather believe it consists of "socialists" according to Fox News.

Yes, there are Socialists, Communists, Hippies, Libertarians, Tea Partiers, Republicans, Democrats, and more protesting in this revolution.

Turn off your television and go down and support your country.
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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 05:44 PM
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The problem is, no-one is really arguing that many of the big corporations are corrupted..However, look at the even BIGGER picture that has been already displayed in this thread. Who pays those corporations? Who prints the (fake) money to give big banks and corporations bailouts while guess who has to flip the bill? Guess who keeps funding the corporations and putting the U.S. into trillions of dollars in debt? (what is it, 14+ trillion now??) Do we get to vote on it? No. Do we have any control over it? No. The Federal Reserve is the root of the problem, not Wall Street!

Trying to bring down "capitalism" is not going to fix the issue, even if we leave out the argument of communism/socialism unknowingly trying to creep it's way in via this protest. Millions of average every day American workers invest in Wall Street. "Capitalism" (when it works) is the engine that drives this country's economy. Do you want to see millions more out of work?

With that said, I do believe there is some corruption on Wall Street that needs fixing. For example, big corporations funding politicians to drive the political agenda in the U.S. to cater to whatever *they* want out of our country, it's policies etc. Again however, where do you think they get the $$?
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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 05:55 PM
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This movement isn't about bringing down Capitalism, although there are quite a few apples in the basket who aren't for it. Just like there are racist moronic uncivilized slobs at the Tea Party rallies.

In fact, there are many Tea Partiers (who don't fit the description I just mentioned above) who are at the Wall St protests sharing their concerns and anger. In fact, there are Many who are expressing their rage at the Federal Reserve.

These protests are going to spread (if not already) to D.C. Wall Street is one of the main contributors to the crisis we're currently in regarding to the economy's condition.

Don't be fooled by the MSM and it's attempt to dismantle and mock the protests that are happening across the nation. This movement consists of Everyone of every ideology.

Except for those who cater or adore the banks



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 06:01 PM
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I haven't listened to one word the MSM has said on this subject. The way the MSM has torn down Ron Paul was the very last straw for me when it comes to taking anything they say with something other than a grain of salt. (and I was pretty much there before all this political bias BS they always spout)

My only issue with this protest is the goal. There are too many goals that have been voiced but nothing clear! I've heard "bring down capitalism!", I've heard protests against the Federal Reserve (great!) I've heard talk of bringing in a required income for those who don't work. Then we have those incoherent ones that make no sense at all. All this from just live video feeds.

If the message gets clearer for one common goal to hit the root of the problem, I'll be there in a heartbeat. Meanwhile, I'm not going to be a part of a movement that has the potential to make matters worse in this country.
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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by hangedman13
It's too bad that the message has to be announced through gimmick and not content.


Yes, it really sucks...but that's the way it works.
It's like publicity, you always have to aim for the stupidest person in the range that you want to sell your product to.
In the end, you will still get intelligent people, because they might want to try it if it's there.

Good publicity, bad publicity, it's all the same. Has long that the message in the end is sent to some of the right people.

To want to send a message for mainly fame and money is low. I wouldn't want to be part of the whole pop scenario at all, I just want to do my own stuff and if I can live off of it, then great. I don't aim to be rich lol



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 06:04 PM
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First, great analysis of 'OWS'.


Second, what bothers me the most is that no one is talking about 'personal responsibility' and 'individualism'. Instead of supporting the parts of capitalism that works, by promoting the importance of ethics, "OccupyWallStreet" is 100% against capitalism and corporations. Its the 'no one is innocent' mentality, which is a self-defeating argument in itself.
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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by sir_slide
Just because you don't understand the youth doesnt mean it is okay to slander them, its people like you who are delaying progress.


Slayer pretty much slanders everything he doesn't understand in.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by sensibleSenseless
I personally believe that communism isn't a big problem.

Communism is against everything the US Constitution stands for. If you do not like our way of life, you have the freedom to leave at your earliest convenience. I heard China will very must accommodate your wishes.

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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by SeventhSeal
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What's happening right now IS the new American Revolution. The American Autumn my friend. It's really upsetting that this country can't even have a revolution because some folks rather believe it consists of "socialists" according to Fox News.


More like "the American Winter". I'm not sure what Fox News has to do with this. I don't have TV, but was under the impression from posts at ATS that the MSM was ignoring it and not reporting? Please enlighten me as to what Fox has to say specifically, and why it should matter to me what they think.

I'm basing my opinions on their actions as reported on the internet, rather than anything Fox news, or even the protestors themselves, say.



Yes, there are Socialists, Communists, Hippies, Libertarians, Tea Partiers, Republicans, Democrats, and more protesting in this revolution.


I can name numerous others of these "Glorious People's Revolutions" where a similar mishmash of ideologies was present. The collectivists always come out at the top of the heap in the end, after subduing their former allies in "counter-revolutions". In the Sandinista revolution in Nicaragua, for example, the collectivists never numbered more than 2000 or so out of a fighting force that usually stood around 15,000 strong. Do you recall how THAT one went? it's only one example of many.



Turn off your television and go down and support your country.


If I do that, the kids will be VERY cross with me. The only thing the set is used for is their silly-assed, annoying video games. NO cable, not even a digital converter box. There is no TV reception from outside running into this house.

What advantage would I have with TV reception, other than getting the news of Steve Jobs' death a few minutes earlier?

Supporting my country involves re-directing these protests into a meaningful direction, and I can reach a wider audience here than by going down to the protests, which have failed miserably and already collapsed locally.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by Wookiep
Trying to bring down "capitalism" is not going to fix the issue, even if we leave out the argument of communism/socialism unknowingly trying to creep it's way in via this protest. Millions of average every day American workers invest in Wall Street. "Capitalism" (when it works) is the engine that drives this country's economy. Do you want to see millions more out of work?


So what is the solution?

A full money system reset? That will end up with one money around the world, forget real capitalism. It will be hidden totalitarianism.

Communism? Well the idea is flawed for sure and most (brainwashed to hate) Americans do not like it.

Trade system? Might has well go with communism the way our electrycity, water, food system is installed at the moment.

The FED system has almost reached the limit and it's a good thing people are reacting.

I think maybe we should just make 3-4 giant countries where they each have their own inside system and only do trade of goods internationally, not investments. It's the only solution I got to please the most lol



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 06:17 PM
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3 words are the most important.

END

THE

FED.

Then, bring home our troops and stop spending billions on wars we can't afford. Take care of ourselves for once instead of everyone else. It may sound harsh, but reality is sometimes harsh. If we do this, I think we might just have a fighting chance. If we keep up the current process? Fat chance.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 06:34 PM
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I was referring to the other poster who said that over 50 per cent of todays youth are mentally ill. What I don't get is how older people can fail to see the state of the world in which we (younger generations) are forced to try and make our way in. In many countries it is a lot harder to find decent work, costs far more to obtain a degree, food costs are up, living costs are up, it is generally difficult for us to try to obtain some form of a comfortable existence in these conditions. I am not saying that it is not difficult for older generations in these conditions too, although I think that when you talk about the youth having a false sense of entitlement what you are not acknowledging is that maybe this sense of entitlement is not so false. Is it not fair to ask for long overdue change within our governments? I work, I pay taxes, I am young, and I want change, and I also feel it is my right to demand change, especially given the way things are going.

Just because people may not necessarily understand younger people they seem to just act as if they're stupid and useless, and to me that is just absurd. What these protesters are doing is a great thing, they are actually out there on street and trying to make a difference, people are now reading about this in the papers, this is a good thing. We should all get behind these protests, there is a far deeper undercurrent to this movement than just being pissed off about wall street ie corporate america ie corporate control of government ie government corruption and all of the above.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 06:43 PM
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I have a 17 yr old son and multiple nieces and nephews around the same age...I *do* understand the mentality. I was 14 years old when I got my first job, 17 when my son was born and I definitely understand how hard it can be. It's still hard for me even now!

The system is by all means in bad shape (in terms of corruption from the govt)! I think part of the frustration however is due to the attitude of "give me my wages!" when many youngsters don't yet understand the responsibility of getting a real job/career. Getting an education etc, going through the process this country has always gone through to gain prosperity. It's about self reliance and personal responsibility. Wouldn't you rather be secure in your own finances yourself, rather than ask for money from the govt, or someone else?

If you change that process which our country has been utilizing since it's creation, then we are bordering on changing our entire society into something that resembles communism ie. equal distribution of wealth etc.

Let me address this:



Is it not fair to ask for long overdue change within our governments?


It is absolutely your right to ask for those changes. What I think you may not be getting though is so are we! There's ways of going about it without losing our minds and going with hive mentality. We'll take ourselves back to the stone age if we don't carefully think things through. Keep protesting, that's your right as an American! Don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise, just make sure you are protesting against the things that are really causing the issues.
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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by SeventhSeal
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Yes, there are Socialists, Communists, Hippies, Libertarians, Tea Partiers, Republicans, Democrats, and more protesting in this revolution.

I will never-ever-ever stand along side a communist, socialist, hippie, and Democrat for anything.

I would rather burn the country to the ground than to stand next to scum.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by User8911
Slayer pretty much slanders everything he doesn't understand in.




I'll just let that sit there for others to ponder.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 09:43 PM
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Fox news is making fun of OWS and used alot of sound bites. One point they said alot are Obama supporters but the sound bite they had one guy in the back ground we are not Obama supporters we are further left than him.In Obama's recent speech he sympathized with OWS saying that the american people are frustrated and angry.I think they are been used especially with the unions joining in. I dont know if Obama might use them to gain votes for next year. There is a occupy Canada on October 15th where I am so this thing is bigger than just the wall st one.They say there is no real leader but someone is organizing it.We will see how this plays out



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