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OWS DOA or Simply Misdirected?

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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by OccupyPlanet
The Fat Cats on wall street and anyone over 50 with a hearing aid with no battery and needing a couple extra inches of glass infront of their eyeballs gets a real clear message as to what this Occupy Wall Street Thing is about.

The disenfranchised 99% are fighting to take back the country!

LETS GET IT ON MOFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




How 'bout that?

Lets.

You are either one of the agitators, or one of the sheep which has been agitated.

Which?




posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 02:03 PM
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Hey Slay,
Long time no comment, been busy on other fronts, but had to toss 2 cents into the ring.
Why are you against unions (not speaking on the Communist Union BTW, didn't know they existed)? By and large, unions keep jobs for people. When unions die, more jobs leave us, benefitting the rich 1% only. And when they get the opportunity to bilk us, then stick the taxpayer with a tab to keep them from failing after they have generated profit through subsidies like NAFTA participation. Unions were the working class' defense in keeping our American Dream and because someone had a job - or as you guys say got paid - all the sudden they are bad but then you say the ones making billions off our miseries should not have to contend in this country thus keeping our status quo?
Before answering, think on this:
After unions completely fall where are you going to get teachers for the next generation? Are they gonna bus them in from other countries for that $5 an hour job? Yeah and if you think the police are bad now, hehehe, wait til you try to get one to speak English when their unions go and the less trained $5 flunkie comes in to play.
See, you are trying to say that because we want better pricing for goods and services we actually want to tear the country apart. Sorry but here is where homework comes into play. Give a thought to the companies and their owners who dodge taxes by making you believe their $10 Billion profit line wasn't a profit at all, we had to pay someone. Ever ask who? Look at their books. Its called A Lobbist!
I'm no communist by any means but I'm tired of the oligarchy screaming for their government handouts while making me poor daily paying them through my nose just to keep myself from the elements. Please.
Trickle down only works when they are at the urnials and we are at the catch drain. Anything else and you've been had.
BTW, how you liking our new third world country so far?



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by hangedman13
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Why the hell your trowing Kennedy in there? He was known before he started to want to spread the truth? ANON is also using the masks in means of publicity unless you didn't notice. Because you can't affect the masses if you are not popular.


That tells me alot about how this is being done. The message not the image should be the important thing, yet we need the popular to catch the attention of a short sighted masses? This isn't a popularity contest this is about finding solutions!


Oh yeah, when is the last time you read my lyrics?
You never did, hardly no one does and I want to change the world for the best, send out a message.

And the reason why no one reads or listen what I do and say, I am not popular, in fact, I'm amazingly unpopular to a point it doesn't make sense.

I would sing the same songs in a stupid costume, wearing a stupid mask and I would already have more chances to be popular, to then make an impact.

If you want to beat the game, you have to play the game. ANON knows that!
(not that I particularly like em)



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by gentledissident
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Going after the FED is right on target. I still can't be sure it's not a managed stunt. I'll know it's not when I see some slimy stuff happening to protesters.
This is about threatening the world's managers. That can get really nasty really quickly.
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"Slimy stuff happening to the protestors" can happen specifically BECAUSE they have chosen the wrong target. It shows weakness, indecision or incorrect decision, and makes them an easy mark. Why aim at bean counters rather than someone who actually has the power to make a real change?

It's staged and planned to go that way.

It is PLANNED to bring slimy stuff on to the protestors - and leave the organizers, the REAL organizers, all squeaky clean, while attempting to rally more public support for "the cause" without ever really articulating just what that "cause" IS.

It's PLANNED to provoke a negative reaction from authorities for just that purpose.

Lets see how well they do at that.






edit on 2011/10/6 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 02:42 PM
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Yes it is a Teachers responsibility to Teach - within an antiquated system that is overdue to drastic change. Before you take a swipe at me I am one of the few who is actually trying to formulate a program that is directed towards the Students and less about pleasing TPTB.

As for your comment about their personal lives - I have eyes that see them - I have ears that listen to them and I actually have a Soul and heart that cares for what I witness. I do not interfere and just so you know - because I suspect you don't know this - some Students are refusing to take their ritalin and whatever else. I had a Student tell me he did not like the way it made him feel. Inside I could not help but feel proud of him - making a decision about his body without concern for what anybody else thought - let alone his parents.

Besides there will be plenty of drugs out there in society when school is over. As for the hippies - they were not misguided they were fuelled by drugs that were supplied by the cabal/illuminati/whatever with the intention of influencing society. It was a success from what I see in the media.

I will always stand by Students - I will never walk away from a Child that is something only the arrogant of this world do - bring them into the world - mess them up and then refuse to take any responsibility. When the day dawns that we cannot help the Youth of this planet - that is the day I quietly die inside.

Much Peace...



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by User8911


Originally posted by SLAYER69

The real problem that many seem to be blissfully ignorant of or simply choose to ignore lies in Washington DC.


The problem is that you see people like idiots just because they have different views, I doubt they don't know or ignore the BS in Washington DC.


Not because they have "different views", rather because they are allowing unseen others to stampede them with no clear target in mind.

My dad used to use a colorful expression - "like a mad woman slinging crap with a sock", crude, yes, but evocative of a seriously humorous image. That image fits these protests. No focus, no target, just slinging crap to see what sticks. You have to do that when you have no well-defined target, just to hit something... like a mad woman slinging crap with a sock. A lot of innocent folk get hurt and splattered like that right along with the guilty.

FOCUS, Young Jedis... pay attention, Grasshopper.



Originally posted by SLAYER69

Communism works great on paper as an academic study but in the real REAL world people die and die by the tens of Millions.



Yes it works on paper and it never worked till now in real life because of corrupt leaders and bad choices. You are just dramatizing Communism because of your opinions.


There you have it. People are greedy and fallible, name a system NOT subject to greed and corruption, and I'll show you a way that it IS, and CAN BE exploited for the benefit of the few. It's not a "system" then, it's the leadership of that system - or more properly our own indifference as to how that leadership behaves in the implementation.

So what system you gonna replace this one with after you burn it down?



Originally posted by SLAYER69
Change doesn't happen from the top down it happens from the ground up!



Yeah so why the hate on people actually trying something?


Because this is not "from the ground up". These protestors are pawns for an Unseen Hand.







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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 03:09 PM
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Behead Bankers, start with jamie dimon and lyod blankfien



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 03:13 PM
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Just to let you know I am here, loved the Op as usual and am just as perplexed about the youth today as you mentioned. They need solutions not an excuse to play real life video games. I am worried.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by User8911
(continued from last post)


Originally posted by SLAYER69
They talk the talk and it's great to have people of some notoriety help with the cause but if they were really serious and believe what some are advocating they'd be out of a job and would have their wealth stripped and redistributed among the masses.



Yes some people actually want equality and they are mature enough to see they have plenty to spare and share...unlike most pro-capitalism and extreme right ideas, yeah like you.


"Equality" my ass. What sort of "equality" do they expect to get through robbery and extortion?




Originally posted by SLAYER69
Because many choose to follow some Clown faced jack-wagon on Youtube who told them Wall Street is where it's at.


Well, it's better then nothing.


No it isn't - not when "nothing" keeps one alive and out of jail to pursue his goals. It's counter-productive, and that truly IS worse than "nothing".



By the way you make your point, absolutly nothing would surprise me if you we're a shill.


Maybe time to put the "Paid disinfo agent at Langley" back into his profile?



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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Hi guys,

May I throw a wrench in?

I haven't read all the comments. Wow, there are so many!

I personally believe that communism isn't a big problem. If the FED were owned by someone - who would you like to have owning it? Is that a communistic idea or isn't it?

I had a friend who I worked with who had lived in Russia (during communism) - I have also had an uncle who got his higher education in Moscow, (also during communism). My friend mentioned that it was sad to see the soviet union dismantled - he was quite upset, though he lives here now. I personally have no reason not to believe him. I've worked with this guy and I respect his opinion a lot (he is quite rational, and well grounded, from what I've seen). My uncle is ok, for having been in Russia and educated there. I currently also have a buddy from Belarus (part of former Soviet Union) - He mentioned that things have changed since democratizing - some for the better, and some for the worse. I believe that the plight of the common man is part of our interest in discussing the pros/cons of communism.

I am not quite sure why people focus on the negative aspects of communism when deriding it - certainly there are negative aspects to capitalism as we are now witnesses to - otherwise we shouldn't be unhappy. If it is previous governments that taught us, and we feel lied to (eg: FEDs), then shouldn't we rationally discuss what makes it so bad?

I personally feel that the distribution of wealth IS an issue. This is what all these agitated workers and people are fighting about on Wall Street. If that weren't the case, then why is money such an issue? Where did the money go? You argue baillouts etc... Why were those bail outs required in the first place? Apparently, some of the bail out money (though not necessarily all of it) was repaid by some of the big corporations - or is that a lie?

You argue that some leader or another did this or that and that trustworthiness is an issue. I personally believe that this is a key issue in any society - more so than communism or capitalism or socialism. The reason why I say so, is because everyone is given a corner of the world to take care of and we are interdependent. If you hand control to untrustworthy people, then what is the sum of the parts?

Additionally, there is the bigger picture: How productivity focuses over time in fewer and fewer hands - especially in the modern world. (effectively a monopoly game) Near the end of a monopoly game, investment is reduced/retracted, since there is no money in circulation - this means that investments become money losers - and the saved money in the hands of the few, begin to remain as hoarded money - ie they pull out. This is why there is a genuine need for a reset.

If, on the other hand, those who acquire vast quantities of wealth understood the situation, then they could potentially turn around and using the money, re-institute the country with their investment (it would be a communistic society at that point). In a sense, there is no choice in the matter - and this is part of what the people in OWS must be campaigning for. Aside from advocating getting rid of the FED, have you got a proposal that would otherwise work?

In some cases the bail outs are actually just public funds that the government invests on behalf of the people to own a stake in corporations that are in trouble. This allows you (through government) to have a say in how these corporations are run. I think that that is a gargantuan task - it is extra-ordinarily difficult for a leader to balance so many issues on his/her own - that requires a LOT of help. But, in spite of owning a significant portion of GM corporation, apparently it has turned around. ( or has it? I'm not really certain what the results were)

If the FEDs print more money, inflation will occur and your ability to pay for food etc. comes down. But so does the value of the piles of money that some in the world have managed to acquire. It also constitutes a problem for China, India etc... as the flow of goods might go in the other direction. Luckily they are only governments supported by taxes as well - they don't have infinite funds to support the dollar indefinitely. However, if your cost of living hasn't reduced, when they've printed the money - then you will suffer. If they don't print money, then people run out of money and businesses shut down. If businesses shut down, the cost of production per unit of goods goes up. This also causes cars etc to cost more to produce - and rich people are forced to pay higher prices for their goods as well. Additionally, your government - which looks after a significant portion of the common good, will go out of business (too small a tax base), short of taxing by wealth (eg: sales taxes, property taxes). Reduced services will apply across the board - unless, you the common man gets kicked out of the system. You can't be arrested... that would be problematic.

More later.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by Walkswithfist
This has been an interesting thread.
Alex Jones has been talking about the fed for years. Has anybody listened?
I hope these young people get the message and go after the Banksters and corrupt bureaucrats!


Jones is riding the wave for brownie points. You don't go after the Fed by targeting the Fed - you go after the Fed by targeting the government, and making the government pull the rug out from under the Fed.

No government acquiescence = no power for the Federal Reserve.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 03:31 PM
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It really seems as if some members want to dismantle the American Revolution. But its not surprising if all they watch is MSM for information or "news."

The world revolted against corruption and greed while we sat on our asses watching American Idol. But now, finally, our country has woken up and took it to the streets across America protesting against the corporations buying OUR government and corporations downsizing moving their factories overseas to exploit the poor while THOUSANDS of Americans are left abandoned and out of work.

This is our time to rise. Who's side are you on?

Greedy America?

Or The America The Founders Wanted.

Oh and by the way, the whole "They're a bunch of Socialist kids" argument has been expired and exhausted. No one has any room to talk about who's on Wall Street protesting unless THEY'VE been down there themselves. GO see for yourself, or shut up

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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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Have you read the thread at all?



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by Wookiep
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Have you read the thread at all?


Yes, mam. I have.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 03:48 PM
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That's Sir. Don't try that patronizing tactic, it won't work.


If you've read the thread fully, then you would understand just how ignorant you have decided to be. Most people support the principle of the protest, but it's bordering on something that could turn out very bad. Just because your friends in Guy Fawkes masks say it's cool doesn't mean you have to ignore reality.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 03:52 PM
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edit on 6-10-2011 by LadySkadi because: nvm, things are changing fast, old news now...



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by SeventhSeal
It really seems as if some members want to dismantle the American Revolution. But its not surprising if all they watch is MSM for information or "news."


The 1917 revolution wasn't "American". I think you may have your revolutions confused. This is following that model, not the American Revolution model. In the American Revolution, there was an articulated goal, something already in place to replace the Monarchy with rather than just getting rid of the Monarchy.



The world revolted against corruption and greed while we sat on our asses watching American Idol. But now, finally, our country has woken up and took it to the streets across America protesting against the corporations buying OUR government and corporations downsizing moving their factories overseas to exploit the poor while THOUSANDS of Americans are left abandoned and out of work.


Everything lives according to it's own nature. bees sting. Snakes bite. Deer run. Corporations buy influence. They aren't going to change just because you or I are unhappy with that. It would be far more effective to force a change in government itself such that it was no longer possible for corporations to buy influence. Since everything lives according to it's own nature, nothing does the impossible. make influence peddling impossible on the government side, and corporations are hamstrung. Continue to appeal to corporate "better natures" where none exist, asking them to "pretty please behave", and you'll just get more of what you already have.

That's why this protest is misguided. They are aiming at the wrong target for meaningful change.



This is our time to rise. Who's side are you on?

Greedy America?

Or The America The Founders Wanted.


You really think those are the two choices? How short sighted of you! I'm on the side of the America the Founders wanted - which means I MUST be dead set against these protests as they stand now.



Oh and by the way, the whole "They're a bunch of Socialist kids" argument has been expired and exhausted. No one has any room to talk about who's on Wall Street protesting unless THEY'VE been down there themselves. GO see for yourself, or shut up


I don't have to stick my head in a rattlesnake's den to know there are rattlers in there. the rattling is usually a dead giveaway.

I note that you provide no evidence that they AREN'T a bunch of starry-eyed socialists... I honestly don't think the majority of the street troops are, but in the end I know who's going to try to come out at the top of the heap.









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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 04:23 PM
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Very well spoken sir S&F! I agree completely, Ive been saying for a long time now that the revolution will not be fought by conventional means. I mean, do you really think the wall street executives care in the least that they are being protested against? No, because they can see the iphone recording them and they happen to have stocks in apple. In order to really effect change you have to hit them where it matters, in the wallet! Don't get me wrong, i support the movement but it's just not being fought the right way and it seems the majority of the protesters just want to protest and don't have any idea what the real issues are. Also, i see anti-capitalist signs which in itself is just retarted, what do you want? Communism? They have to realize capitalism is a great system IF WE HAD CAPITALISM! I'd like to see all these protesters walk into the fed and burn it down, now thats something to be a part of.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 04:34 PM
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I am happy to report that by 1:00 P.M today I passed out 1,000
fliers at the shopping mall and the local college. After a short discussion the local copying
business provided the paper and the prints for free, in exchange for thanking his business
and providing his address; on the flier.

I found 4 people who were willing to help and I had to turn down over ten requests to donate.

Another gentleman I met, is going to provide me with technical support and I am
already considering the occupy freeway off ramps, with pre - designed signs
that will cut through the filthy lies presented by the right wing Corporatists.
This thread is an expert distillation of such distortions and I am gonna us it
to shove it right back up your butt, in the real world.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 04:40 PM
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Ok now I am seeing a bit more of where you are coming from. It's too bad that the message has to be announced through gimmick and not content. But what is to be expected with the nature of people these days? Wanting more, more, more yet wanting it for less. Like a raven with a sparkly thing, all fascinated by the colors. The kids in this game I believe misunderstand their role. College education is not a right. When you go to college to party and take courses with no career path after graduation all you did was lie to yourself. The only equality in this country is supposed to be of opportunity. In ability everyone varies.Change does not happen over night and it may not be exactly what you expected. The current potus has shown quite a few idealists just that. The blame wall street approach is nothing more then a distraction from what is really going on. Unions and celebrity involvement has kinda of put this in a bad way. Think Michael Moore isn't laughing about the money he will make when he makes his next psuedo-documentary about ows? Is it about the message for him or what he can get by getting involved. If he wants to help he can always excercise his option to pay more taxes! Nahh easier and better for him to exploit his name recoginition and make some $$$.



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