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OWS DOA or Simply Misdirected?

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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by MikeNice81
Well here is a list of places that still manufacture in America.
Still Made In America

Thank you. I love that solid and simple stuff. It reminds me of Russia. (No, I'm not being facetious)

Here are some highlights
www.synthesizers.com...
astore.amazon.com...




posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 10:10 AM
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For some people, there will always be an excuse. Slayer is one of them. And me too. gotta get my nails done.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69

I know many feel they are doing something for change but in reality all they are really doing is wasting time and effort that should be directed elsewhere. The reason why many Americans don't care is because they already know Wall Street is corrupt.



Oh yeah, and not caring is the thing to do, of course!


Originally posted by SLAYER69

The real problem that many seem to be blissfully ignorant of or simply choose to ignore lies in Washington DC.


The problem is that you see people like idiots just because they have different views, I doubt they don't know or ignore the BS in Washington DC.


Originally posted by SLAYER69

Unless they are in their late 50s or older those impressionable kids on ATS Asspousing the virtues of Communism here in these threads have no clue what the hell they're talking about.



There you go taking people for idiots again...


Originally posted by SLAYER69

Communism works great on paper as an academic study but in the real REAL world people die and die by the tens of Millions.



Yes it works on paper and it never worked till now in real life because of corrupt leaders and bad choices. You are just dramatizing Communism because of your opinions.


Originally posted by SLAYER69
Change doesn't happen from the top down it happens from the ground up!



Yeah so why the hate on people actually trying something?


Originally posted by SLAYER69

Why is that important? Because now it's no longer Obama who is the poster child for change here at ATS but Ron Paul, I see many of the same people on these boards in many of the OWS threads advocating a new form of Governance then Ironically have an "Elect Ron Paul" banner in their signatures. This proves to me that they don't know what the hell they really want or in which direction to go.



Well that's generalizing heh?


Originally posted by SLAYER69
So in the off chance that Ron Paul does somehow make it to the White house what exactly are many here expecting? Change? Now how is he going to effect change when he will be alienated by his peers both from the Right and Left? Have those who are again advocating change done the necessary ground work? Will he have the Ground up support President Obama is lacking?


So basically your saying that the system is wrong at the moment...i see...


Originally posted by SLAYER69
Actually the 99% are the silent majority who either don't care or are too busy working, paying bills while living their lives raising children...


Well it seems some sheep don't want to be silent anymore and decide to "try" to represent this 99%


Originally posted by SLAYER69
in this supposed "Police State" Called the US.

Since when? No one said the US was a police state? Why are you putting words in other mouth and act like they are stupid again?


Originally posted by SLAYER69
Not like Kennedy or Martin Luther King who didn't get up there wearing a mask. Yes, they were killed but their words carry on! Why? Because they had the balls to get up there and face "The Man"


Why the hell your trowing Kennedy in there? He was known before he started to want to spread the truth? ANON is also using the masks in means of publicity unless you didn't notice. Because you can't affect the masses if you are not popular.


Originally posted by SLAYER69
Many will often claim that because I and many others here do not support their anarchist version of possible events we are called names such as Sheeple or MCarthy fanatics etc...

Don't fall for it People


Yeah, people, keep telling that to yourself and stay a sheep, beeeeh

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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 10:14 AM
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(continued from last post)


Originally posted by SLAYER69
They talk the talk and it's great to have people of some notoriety help with the cause but if they were really serious and believe what some are advocating they'd be out of a job and would have their wealth stripped and redistributed among the masses.



Yes some people actually want equality and they are mature enough to see they have plenty to spare and share...unlike most pro-capitalism and extreme right ideas, yeah like you.


Originally posted by SLAYER69
I know people are mad as hell so am I but it needs to be less based on Anarchy and the exclusion of the Silent Majority who love this country!



I hear you slayer, Amen


Originally posted by SLAYER69
Because many choose to follow some Clown faced jack-wagon on Youtube who told them Wall Street is where it's at.


Well, it's better then nothing.

I do not agree with your way of thinking although you do have some good points.
But you are down right negative and you only make people agreeing with you, back down from any revolution and go back to be a sheep and you know it.

By the way you make your point, absolutly nothing would surprise me if you we're a shill.
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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
Well here you go.
Almost word for word what I and many others here have been saying!


The Revolution Against the Federal Reserve Starts Now! Alex calls for occupy of Federal reserve!

Does the Federal Reserve work weekends when Alex Jones wants to occupy it?

Anyway, the OWS kids sure seemed to have turned the heat on pretty good. Join the movement or be left out of the change! That is already a big achievement for them



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 10:45 AM
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What I'm still trying to figure out--somehow come to terms with--is how many folk marched on Washington to keep us out of stupid war and OWS gets more coverage and respect than they did?

I applaud the sentiments too--and maybe it will generate some useful dialogue--but THAT crowd, OWSers, will show up, camp out, and have a drum circle anywhere. Unless the vibe don't feel right.

Patchouli anyone?
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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 10:50 AM
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This has been an interesting thread.
Alex Jones has been talking about the fed for years. Has anybody listened?
I hope these young people get the message and go after the Banksters and corrupt bureaucrats!



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by Observor
Does the Federal Reserve work weekends when Alex Jones wants to occupy it?

Anyway, the OWS kids sure seemed to have turned the heat on pretty good. Join the movement or be left out of the change! That is already a big achievement for them



Didnt the first OWS happen on the weekend when Wall Street is pretty much closed too?
Anything wrong with people working when they have to and protesting when they can?

I don't get your point here.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 11:02 AM
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I wouldn't say misdirected just unfocused.
But can you blame them? Americans come from all walks of life, races and backgrounds of course everybody will be pulling in all different directions at first.

I say power to the people!



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by Walkswithfist

Originally posted by Observor
Does the Federal Reserve work weekends when Alex Jones wants to occupy it?

Anyway, the OWS kids sure seemed to have turned the heat on pretty good. Join the movement or be left out of the change! That is already a big achievement for them



Didnt the first OWS happen on the weekend when Wall Street is pretty much closed too?
Anything wrong with people working when they have to and protesting when they can?

I don't get your point here.

Actually that was my point. When the OWS folks started on a weekend, they were ridiculed for that. When they continued into week days, they were again ridiculed as being "those too lazy to work".

This change will require all contributing, those that have to work joining when they can and those who are out of any kind of work continuing the protests when the others cannot. It is only when both categories respect each other and work together that something can come out of it.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 11:57 AM
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Just popped in to thank everyone who has participated thus far again. both Pro and Con.

It's good to see that even though emotions run high on this topic that the majority of contributors are being civil and that the personal attacks are at a minimum.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 12:03 PM
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As always my friend good questions.
We will see how this plays out.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 12:18 PM
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I had to go back and look at Slayers opening post to see what the heck was going on. Cherry pick much? Here is a part of what you decided to dissect.

Originally posted by SLAYER69 Actually the 99% are the silent majority who either don't care or are too busy working, paying bills while living their lives raising children... Well it seems some sheep don't want to be silent anymore and decide to "try" to represent this 99% Originally posted by SLAYER69 in this supposed "Police State" Called the US. Since when? No one said the US was a police state? Why are you putting words in other mouth and act like they are stupid again?
Splitting the idea to fit your argument is not a valid argument.
Here is what Slayer said in whole.

Actually the 99% are the silent majority who either don't care or are too busy working, paying bills while living their lives raising children and enjoying many of the freedoms which others claim doesn't exist in this supposed "Police State" Called the US. Get real people, if this was truly a police state those protesters would have all been hauled off and or shot on the spot for threatening the State just like what happened under REAL Communism!
Hmm big difference as to what he said and what you tried to stretch it out to be!!!! There is a saying that applies to both your post and the ows over all. The road to hell is paved with good intentions!!!

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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by Mindweaver
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I wouldn't say misdirected just unfocused.
But can you blame them? Americans come from all walks of life, races and backgrounds of course everybody will be pulling in all different directions at first.

I say power to the people!


I love it.

I have no problem what so ever with that analogy.

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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 12:40 PM
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Yeah I removed the part where Slayer explained what would of happen if the US was a police state, but since it isn't, I had no reason to add this phrase to my already long post. This doesn't change the main idea, so no idea splitting there! :p


Actually the 99% are the silent majority who either don't care or are too busy working, paying bills while living their lives raising children and enjoying many of the freedoms which others claim doesn't exist...


Well the part of claiming that it doesn't exist is extreme, I doubt people really think that.
Again putting words in mouths to make them sound dumb, Slayer likes it lol
They just know they are getting screwed and want everyone to have a share slice of the pie.

But I know what you mean!

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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 12:47 PM
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I think they all have good intentions, but are clueless about an alternative, a workable alternative, to the current system. Their message is lost by pulling on all sorts of directions and America, like the UK, is now very divided and consists of many different people with sujective minds that feels the world owes them a living! So they collectively look towards this Socialist vision of everything for all! Without thought of the cost and work behind getting everything for all! A living wage for workers and the same for the unemployed, not much point in working then, you got trillion dollar demands for infrastucture, rights for all, end to global debt and the usual Socialist rhetoric.

What these people don't understand is that Socialism does not work, it really doesn't, it can't! Not in the world of today anyway. If we all produced and we all created and we could all barter with each other to offer our product, creative invention, services for anothers' then it would, but it's not like that. So many have become lazy, so many have become drones of the welfare state and yet still feel that (insert country) owes them a living! News for you, you owe the working tax payer far more! I do think the minimum wage should go up, cost of living is way way above minimum wage. I think that there should be work for all, I think that the same wage for the unemployed would only work if they too were contributing, volunteer work, road sweeper, rubbish picker, scrubbing the spray paint off the walls, whatever, so in a sense not unemployed but employed by the state.

If America or UK for that matter, went down the path of Socialism (we're half way there) it would create more conflict, it would cost more money and in the end would become more totalitarian than the current regimes, just in order to implement all these so called changes for freedom.

What people need to understand is that as filled with greed as the current system is, it has lead to far more people being prosperous than the alternative would've gained. Look at Russia, North Korea, China even India and Brazil, now that they have become more "Western"in their economic model there are so many more gaining from it. Prior to this, you simply had the super rich and the super poor. If these activists have their way, this is what the world will become. Speaking for simply the UK state (which is similar), there are too many lazy, greedy and uneducated individuals who, should the system collapse, would not stop at anything in order to get what they wanted and the London riots was a prelude to life without order. These people would not help their fellow man, they would kill him and search his pockets!

I'm sure the activists in Wall Street do have good intentions, but the alternative is absolute chaos with no indication that we would come out at the other end any better for it. What we need is the current system that is in place, minus the greed! What we don't need is a load of emotional ideas that would simply serve to cripple a nation and further destroy those who want to work and/or work and work hard for a living for the gain of many who feel that it is a right to have a load of money given to you, just for being born!



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by SecretFace
I think they all have good intentions, but are clueless about an alternative, a workable alternative, to the current system. Their message is lost by pulling on all sorts of directions and America, like the UK, is now very divided and consists of many different people with sujective minds that feels the world owes them a living! So they collectively look towards this Socialist vision of everything for all! Without thought of the cost and work behind getting everything for all! A living wage for workers and the same for the unemployed, not much point in working then, you got trillion dollar demands for infrastucture, rights for all, end to global debt and the usual Socialist rhetoric.


You are not describing socialism at all.

Of course it doesn't make sense for everyone to make the exact amount of money, it doesn't make sense in any system.
Your describing pure communism, which is not refined at all. It's a great basic ideas but it doesn't work.

Another thing that would have to come with a type of communist/socialist system would be honor. Honor of working in a duty that you are good at. Where we are well aimed at working in something that makes us happy, that we are good at and that it contributes to society.

So many people work in jobs they don't like and that they aren't very good at it too, because of money.

I could go on and on about making more socialist type of economic system, but I would start a tread instead of wasting my time posting something super long that will not be read by more then 5-6 people lol
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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 01:00 PM
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OMG already 4 stars for a post making me look bad, great great.
Follow your great Slayer, I bet he's laughing.

The post didn't even make valid points, just sucking up to the OP, which you all love lol
He's just a smart shill doing his job and you get caught.



posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 01:27 PM
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Yea that was one example of how you took part of posts and only analyzed a part of it to fit your argument. The 99% BS. Did you not say that the sheep are not going to be silent?? Well are you saying that they speak for everyone who is not rich? They do not speak for everyone despite your assertion. I personally find them to be out in the wild in what they are protesting. They are rebel's looking to say in the future that they were there making history, because lets face it too many people suffer from this desire for the world to notice them and what they are doing and/or saying. Hence the social media explosion the past few years, it's ego not a real desire for change. As for Slayers police state part of that quote, well people keep thinking that their protesting means that the world must stop and look at them because they are important. Where are the snipers on the rooftops or the internet being shut down? The protesters in the ME had real courage since they knew what risks they were taking by fighting the power! Here we get a calculated publicity stunt. The only similarity I see is the hijacking of genuine gripes by organizations that like having fodder to get their goals through. I resent the union involvement since they themselves have helped perpetuate the problems. What % of the work force are they again? Ohh wait they are a very small one with lots of money taken by their membership to deal with things that are not in the memberships best interest, but it is in the interest of the non-worker union heads. You know the folks who seldomly come from the rank and file!

Why the hell your trowing Kennedy in there? He was known before he started to want to spread the truth? ANON is also using the masks in means of publicity unless you didn't notice. Because you can't affect the masses if you are not popular.
That tells me alot about how this is being done. The message not the image should be the important thing, yet we need the popular to catch the attention of a short sighted masses? This isn't a popularity contest this is about finding solutions! So playing this game wearing masks just go's to show the root cause of this being about attention and not solving anything. This isn't american idol!!!!
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posted on Oct, 6 2011 @ 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by Amanda5
The comment at the beginning of this thread about being embarrassed by the youth.

I am not. We have given them this world. I am a Teacher and I see angry, frustrated Children. Some don't eat before they get to school - for some school is a sanctuary away from a nightmare home - some after ten years in school can barely read let alone write.

Children have been given the internet - ipods - mobile phones - they can access pornography online for free. I know I researched for myself. We have given them a world where they see sex, war and violence everywhere. They are as angry as a lot of the adults.

Being embarrassed by the youth may suggest you don't like looking at the direction in which society has moved. I care deeply about planet Earth and her global population. I think what is happening - on a global scale - is everyone who is in some type of pain/confusion is trying to communicate their concerns.

I will always stand with the youth - they are our future and if I do not like what I see in our youth - I need to be a part of the change that is needed. I will never walk away from a Child - never!

Occupy Wall Street - see it for what you will - it is about people trying to be heard in a society that is finding its voice for the first time in its history. Being alive on planet Earth right now is so exciting - change is in the entire atmosphere.

Much Peace...



As a teacher, it is your role to TEACH them, not intervene in their personal lives. The State has promoted a lot of interventionism via the Social Worker scenario. Parents are forced to drug their children with Ritalin to keep them quiet in class. I'm sure you are aware of this. Now, my real point here about teaching them is, why do so many of these kids in the protest buy into the propaganda that we need Democracy to make things better? Or that we had a democracy and it needs to be re-established? Is it not your job as the teacher to explain the concept of our Republican form of govt to them? Why have so many in our country been running around calling for Democracy this and democracy that?
The answer is a Progressive trend toward socialism.

People finding a voice for the first time in history? You mean this specific generation of kids finding a voice, or do you mean for the first time people have stood up and said what they think? The hippies of the 60's were also misguided, by their Utopian ideals for a society free of worry, and by leaders such as Jerry Rubin who were radical activists. The Peace movement was part of an agenda to stop the US from intervening in the continued expansion of communism throughout the world.

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