Ouch! Obama Presidency by the Numbers a Bitter Reality (Video), page 2

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reply posted on 6-10-2011 @ 02:18 PM by DarthMuerte

reply to post by Indigo5

It didn't start with dear leader or his regime, but he certainly made things worse.

reply posted on 6-10-2011 @ 02:21 PM by Blaine91555

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I think the problem in some of these conversations is that people assume if your opposed to Obama, you are automatically OK with Bush or are a Republican.

Right now the largest voting block includes people like me who are genuine Independents, who are equally upset at both Parties.

We can see clearly that Obama lied his way into office, has done a completely incompetent job, surrounded himself with radicals of the socialist / communist bent and is rewarding his cronies, donors and buying votes. He is the worst in my memory from JFK until now. Nixon was a Saint compared to Obama. Had he done the same things just 20 or 30 years ago, he would have been Impeached long ago. Even the Democrats would have been calling for his head.

Oh well, times change and honesty and integrity no longer mean much. But then this appears to be part of the plan from the outset. I'm sure you have seen the video of a young Obama teaching Saul Alinsky in a class. That alone defines who he is. He is in fact getting exactly what he wants, an elite privileged ruling class lording over a lower caste of equally poor citizens, with a few stooges given special privileged to con them into helping control the meaningless lower class and protect the privileged class.

Obama is too young to be involved with that bunch, so they recruited him and trained and supported him. I've been watching Ayers and his merry little band of wanna-be Kings for decades. Anyone who thinks Ayers was just a coincidental neighbor has been tricked. Obama's appointment of Van Jones is proof of that.

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reply posted on 6-10-2011 @ 02:35 PM by Vikus

Originally posted by Indigo5
Just my opinion after skipping the spin and examaning the numbers both pre and post Obama. Again...show me a better candidate and I will vote that way, but the GOP field looks near comical in their "solutions" thus far.

It can't be anymore "comical" than shoving hundreds of millions to cronies like Solyndra.

There is one thing Obama can do and that is kill things.

He can kill terrorists like he can kill millions of jobs. Hell, even Steve Jobs died in Obama's term, not that I am blaming Obama for his death but it is ironic,

reply posted on 6-10-2011 @ 02:46 PM by Indigo5

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by Indigo5

I think the problem in some of these conversations is that people assume if your opposed to Obama, you are automatically OK with Bush or are a Republican.

One way to avoid such mistaken assumptions is to begin the discussion from an honest place, not pretend the crisis began when he took office or use a a video that doesn't truncate all of the statistics to exclude the prior GOP administration during which the crisis began.

Absent that, how can anyone assume that it a left/right discussion?

Originally posted by Blaine91555
Right now the largest voting block includes people like me who are genuine Independents, who are equally upset at both Parties.

We can see clearly that Obama lied his way into office, has done a completely incompetent job, surrounded himself with radicals of the socialist / communist bent and is rewarding his cronies, donors and buying votes. He is the worst in my memory from JFK until now. Nixon was a Saint compared to Obama. Had he done the same things just 20 or 30 years ago, he would have been Impeached long ago. Even the Democrats would have been calling for his head.

Genuine independant? By that, you mean so far right that the GOP wouldn't have you?

Seriously...enough with the Socialist/Communist thing. Joe McCarthy himself would find the claim laughable.

The only thing this thread has shown me is that honest discussion is not welcome here.

I will leave you guys to splash about in the "Obama the communist caused the great recession" pond. Apparently no one seems to notice the smell in the water.

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reply posted on 6-10-2011 @ 03:12 PM by student777

For those of you who think the other side is not any better, well ultimatly you are right. So you think the answer is to put the same guy in office to spend another extra 4 trillions to make our debt 20 trillion, 15 of it in 12 years. No, we should keep voting for the other guy making them all one term and continue to complain to anyone who will listen until things do change. Until they quit spending in stupid places. I am not crazy about greedy corporations, and would prefer ma and pop shops, but as long as they hold the jobs you have to give them incentives to hire. In a way things in the 50's were better. There was no to big to fail, and Congress was not controlled by greed.

reply posted on 6-10-2011 @ 04:31 PM by Blaine91555

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I really don't care for being lied about. By genuine Independent I meant I'm equally dissatisfied with both Parties and I'm sure you understood but your ideology won't let you accept that both Parties can be corrupt.

When it comes to small government and low taxes, yes I lean Conservative. On social issues I lean to the other side. Neither Party holds my beliefs. Strangely enough when I talk to Republicans, they always accuse me of being a Progressive.

As to Obama and who he is. He taught Alinsky in school. Surely you have seen the tape of him teaching it? It's been available for a long time now. Having been a Vietnam War protestor myself, I'm very familiar with the phony and very violent bunch he has associated himself with. To deny that is to lie to yourself. Obama is not old enough to be one of them, but he clearly has been involved. Their goal is to take over control and force their ideology on us by force if necessary. They hardly have made a secret of it. People who embrace violence have small minds and frankly disgust me. That Obama is mixed up with domestic terrorists should make the hair on your neck stand up.

The fact that Bush was horrible does not change the facts about Obama and that's a ploy groupie Partisans use.

reply posted on 6-10-2011 @ 04:44 PM by Indigo5

Originally posted by student777
I am not crazy about greedy corporations, and would prefer ma and pop shops, but as long as they hold the jobs you have to give them incentives to hire.

This is the confusion that is killing our country.

Corporations are "incentivized" to hire when there is consumer demand for thier products.

Not when they are given more money. Give a corporation more money durring a recession and they will horde it, not hire. Who can blame them?

Companies don't hire more folks just because they have money in the bank. They hire more folks when their products are selling and they need to expand! And if they don't have money to expand when their prodducts are selling, banks sure as hell will lend it to them...as long as their is DEMAND.

Demand...Demand..Demand...that is what drives companies to grow and hire. That is what drives banks to lend.

We already tried bailouts. That money is sitting in accounts. Why? Because the economy sucks.

Why has consumer demand dried up? Because the consumer has run out of money. They can't borrow on thier homes anymore, credit cards etc. Kaput...blood from a stone.

Without consumer demand for products, all the tax breaks in the world won't convince companies to expand and hire just for the fun of it.

The question we need to ask is how do we fix the middle class so they have money to spend again? Not through credit...we gave the banks Trillions in taxpayer money...they pocketed it, didn't lend it out. Why? Because neither the consumer nor the corporations look like a safe bet. All because the middle class...the consumer class... is on it's deathbed.

We need to fix the middle class to get this economy moving again. Hiring follows demand, which is driven by the middle class...which is out of money and credit.

That is why if the Government can create jobs by taxing the welathiest and spending that money to employ the middle class...(Infra-structure, innovation grants, renewable energy) and the middle class spends that paycheck on consumer products and services...and the companies expand and hire to meet that growing demand...we might just have a chance at restarting the engine.

Otherwise the income disparity in this country has reached it's peak. All the wealth has moved to the uppermost brackets and it is staying there. No more money and credit for the middle class...no more spending...no more consumer demand...no more hiring to meet that demand and we quickly decline and can call ourselves a third-world nation, an oligarchy...whatever term you like. There will be the wealthiest 2% and there will be the impovershed masses that work for them.

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reply posted on 6-10-2011 @ 04:47 PM by alienreality

Bush tried to hide his wrongdoings,but the obama whitehouse goes right out and commits the most seditious acts against america imaginable right in the open and without batting an eyelash.. and at the same time telling you he just helped you somehow.. This is getting really whacky folks, like flying lawnmowers and all wierd kind of stuff.

reply posted on 6-10-2011 @ 04:48 PM by Indigo5

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Sorry if you felt I mis-portrayed you. When I hear the whole Saul Alinksy/Communist thing I think of the school of Glen Beck. I appreciate that you have a view...but our views differ greatly.

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reply posted on 6-10-2011 @ 07:25 PM by Blaine91555

Originally posted by Indigo5
reply to post by Blaine91555

Sorry if you felt I mis-portrayed you. When I hear the whole Saul Alinksy/Communist thing I think of the school of Glen Beck. I appreciate that you have a view...but our views differ greatly.
edit on 6-10-2011 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)

No problem. Beck has nothing to do with it.

When Bill Ayers and his group of thugs pretended to be Vietnam War protestors and tried to take the movement over, I and lots of others walked away. We wanted peace and they wanted to plant bombs. To this day Ayers brags about getting off on a crime he admits he committed and states that he would do it again. Sadly he went on to teach and interact with children to brainwash them. Why everyone is not hot about that I'll never understand.

Not liking this Beck fellow does not mean everything he figured out is wrong. Appointing Van Jones is proof enough. I've watched him maybe a half dozen times and he had some interesting facts with proof that held up. He is far too radical for me though. I do like he was as critical of Republicans also. In that he was right.

Good conversation, thanks. I'll drop it now, I promise