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Originally posted by orbitbaby
Seems like the topic of climate change is almost as controversial as
religion or abortion. I've heard both sides and I can't say that I know the
truth. I don't think anyone on this thread does either.
What I'd like to know is why did the CIA (of all government agencies)
open up the Center on Climate Change and National Security? No
one can get any information from them through FOIA because everything they
do is classified.
If the CIA is involved you can bet it's not in our best interests. They serve
the banks and corporations. So whatever the truth might be, it's being
deliberately kept from us.
Originally posted by Atzil321
I find it fascinating and depressing in equal measure that so many here on ATS have fallen for the most well funded and organized conspiracy of all time climate change denial. Deniers have fallen hook, line and sinker to all the corporate propoganda, and would rather listen to phony politicians who are paid up stooges of the denial machine, than believe solid evidence from hard working and honest scientists doing they're best to alert the world to the dangers we face.
Originally posted by lpowell0627
reply to post by MamaJ
I agree with you that we have trashed the Earth. However, to think that drilling for oil has somehow created global warming is ridiculous. The dinosaurs would be left wondering who was drilling during their life should that be the case.
Even if you want to argue that humans have contributed to, and sped up global warming by say 100 years....1000 years....it doesn't matter one bit.
1000 years is not even a drop in the bucket when you consider the planet as a whole. We are so insignificant in so many ways yet our egos have somehow let us believe that we can, if we throw enough money at it, stop the entire planets periods of cleansing and renewal.
People should clean up the Earth because it's the right thing to do. Not because we think that it will prevent the Sahara Desert from ONCE AGAIN becoming fertile, lush land.
Originally posted by flice
It's funny how there seems to exist only two sides officially in the Climate war, and both are wrong.
One side says it exists and is man-made, the others say it doesn't and we shouldn't worry.
However... while it does exist, it's not because we humans are causing it. I agree, mind you, we are not helping it with our way of life. But I guarantee you, it would have happen wether we want it or not, and the idiotic discussion wether or not it exists or what the cause is should END RIGHT NOW!
It's pointless... really.
It's called a cycle. It has happened before it is happening now (however slowly) and it will happen again at some other point in time. Stop fighting the inevitable, stop being so naive to attribute the human race anything as grandeur as complete control over nature... simply learn to understand how it all fits together AND adapt.
You will NOT save this world from melting ice caps and "global warming" ( yeah... the title is probably right, because the Earths temperature will rise before it falls back down again.), you can slow the process. That's all.
Stop trying to save the world. It's a naive conquest that will ultimately fail.
Oh, and the reason for cutting down emission gasses etc. should to begin with not be global warming, but because you want your kids to breathe some healthy air rather than gaseous toxic waste.
Originally posted by pikestaff
I read climate depot every day, as its emailed to my inbox, lots of articles to do with 'the weather' and the personnel connected to 'the weather' makes interesting reading..
Again, can anyone tell me how CO2, at less than one percent of the total atmosphere, can do so much damage? its actually 0.393% of the atmosphere. There is more Methane, and that is 20 times worse than CO2,
And yes CO2 is less than 1% of the atmosphere, but 99% of the atmosphere is not a greenhouse gas - so it has absolutely NOTHING to do with this conversation. It's just a trick propagandists use to try and make things seem insignificant. But it has all the logical relevance of me telling you a vial of poison can't hurt you because it's nowhere near the size of an elephant.
CO2 makes up about 10% of the concentration of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere, and studies have shown it's impact ranges from something like 9-26%.
You probably ask the question but then ignore the answer, then come back the next day and ask the question again.
Originally posted by danbirmingham
I agree, the sooner we start using Hydrogen powered cars the better... try telling that to shell and BP though
Originally posted by Atzil321
Mostly, those who profit by burning fossil fuels, and those who find the solutions to climate change ideologically distasteful. And you likely know that these people routinely dole out a healthy helping of what we call 'climate denial',
The big irony behind top globalists descending on Copenhagen in luxury private jets and stretch limos is not just the fact that their own behavior completely contradicts their self-righteous hyperbole about CO2 emissions, but that their propaganda is vehemently supported by the very same big oil interests they accuse climate skeptics of pandering to. Probably one of the most flagrant examples of climate cronyism to emerge from the climategate scandal were emails in which CRU scientists, the body that provides much of the foundational global warming data for the UN IPCC, discuss how they conducted meetings with Shell Oil in order to enlist them as a “strategic partner” while getting them to bankroll pro-man made global warming research. The emails reveal that the CRU was also trying to get money from oil giants British Petroleum and Exxon-Mobil, under its former identity as Esso.
Well don't fret, NASA got the the childrens climate change propaganda under control, *whew*