reply to post by JakiusFogg
I'm going to tackle your post bit by bit, if that's ok.
Mate, i would be more than happy to pay extra to support my fellow Briton, returning from overseas...most Britons would agree with that sentiment
More happy paying that, than paying our own corrupt politicians and myriad arse licking quangos their 'fees' at any rate.
Those that are abroad and meet the qualifying residential criteria will stay, many have businesses that pay local taxes to the relevant country and in
turn, whatever country it is, would not boot them out if they are paying their way.
Money is stronger than nationalism these days.
OK, so we wanna buy some fags or cheap plonk? We buy a £10 visa...the end result will be the same influx of cross channel ferry and Chunnel day
trippers, after cheaper fags and booze from France...and they know it, so i really doubt they'd ever re-introduce visas, simply because of the amount
they'd be scared of losing.
I do feel like a foreigner anyway, or did on the occasions i entered Ibiza. Although i have to admit, i've never been to Germany.
I've circumnavigated the Earth...flown E - W / N/ S across Canada, done the typical Euro holiday islands, travelled to Singapore, Egypt, N.Z, Fijian
Islands, the USA, crossed the international dateline...and travelled a bit around my own country and...you know what mate?....i've even had occasion
to feel like a foreigner in my own country, never mind any bleeding other 'proper' foreign country.
Colloquialism...Council directives, Government bans, you shall frigging NOT...you see mate?
And as for immigration to the USA proper (unless coming from Canada), that is a matter for itself! Germany or Ibiza would be a mild inconvenience at
best in comparison!
If Russia wanted the UK market (and they most certainly DO want it), it would be conditional upon the pipeline 'host' nations that they protect
their own 'interests' regarding supply. No worries about tax from the 'EU' pipeline to Britain. Besides, we could always stop flogging our own
natural energy assets off to France at way below the going rate, and keep it all for ourselves and forego the 'nuclear sweeteners'.
If we were reliant on nobody but ourselves..we would manage and we would manage admirably!
There is NOTHING the British cannot overcome, engineer, or adapt to. In the face of adversity we are at our best.
Imports could bugger off. Stick them up their arses...oh they'd they'd miss us long before we missed them. We have the ingenuity, the brains and the
will to manufacture anything we would need, and innovate locally for individual needs. The 'exporting nations' would be kissing our arses to allow
them to trade with us again if we decided to turn our backs on them.
Being 'sold to the lowest bidder' would be moot. Our leaving the EU would bring about a necessary complete restructuring of general fiscal and local
governmental spending rounds, and approaches to nationwide local services would be restructured in kind. The 'free market', where foreign headed
companies getting by on loophole breaks, bidding lowest with their corporate muscle would no longer apply...at least in respect of the EU countries.
A return to IN house staffing will ensue, and we'd be better off for it in my opinion, even if we stayed in the EU or went even further along an
If we're all in 'suspension' and survival mode, the 'Polish transient workforce' won't be of help to us anyway, only a hindrance (sorry Poles).
There will be people willing to work for what the job provides, and do what is necessary at whatever the offered remuneration in times of need...that
is a given.
You're right, there IS a lot to be lost from missing opportunities 'linked' to the EU, and those opportunities are not limited to the everyday and
frankly, easily surmountable bullet points you raise in your post...but rather a bigger issue...a MUCH bigger issue.
One of much greater importance than being able to fly on an Easy jet analogue and buy cheap baccy or booze. Or worrying how on Earth we'd manage with
millions of acres of arable crop growing land going begging...we'd survive and we'd survive better than most would think.
But there's much bigger fish to fry, and if we're all competing for those fish, i'd prefer we as a nation were invoved in the casting of the
Please don't mistake my indecisiveness for lilly livered capitulation or wishy washy feelings about my country, i have none where my fellows are
concerned, i do have doubts for the best course of action as a whole, and frankly, mealy mouthed political flag waving and historical hearkening
isn't going to influence or change that.
The future is now, we set it today. Our decisions are going to impact our kids.
It's not weak to acknowledge you are unconvinced either way..quite the opposite in fact.