Lisa Irwin - Missing - One Year Later

Originally posted by redhorse
So many people that desperately need to have these witches to burn.

That is complete nonsense. There are just lot of people who want some very valid questions answered in order to find the truth about what happened to Lisa Irwin.

Like this one: The family have a black labrador. This is a fact. That dog did not bark while someone supposedly entered the house, turned on the lights, took Lisa out of her crib and also went into the kitchen and supposedly stole three cell phones before leaving the house.

Two statements regarding the dog from Lisa's mother during an interview with "Judge Jeanine" on Fox TV:

"I mean, she'll bark at people she doesn't know but I mean, uh, she's not an aggressive dog, I mean, she's really sweet."
""yeah, she would have barked if there was noise, if there was something out of the ordinary and it was loud, I mean you know but she..."

So, WHY DIDN'T THE DOG BARK AND WAKE UP LISA'S MOTHER AND THE TWO OTHER CHILDREN IN THE HOUSE? The only logical answer is that there were no stranger, no intruder in the house that night. One or both of the parents are involved in Lisa's disappearence.

reply to post by InsideOfItAll

So, WHY DIDN'T THE DOG BARK AND WAKE UP LISA'S MOTHER AND THE TWO OTHER CHILDREN IN THE HOUSE?

And... We're to believe the 'stranger' snuck in, took Lisa out of her crib - and not a peep, not a sound, NOTHING alerted her mother - not even through the baby monitor next to the bed!

Heavy sleeper?

Though making sure to stick to the facts here - yes, it was reported there was a baby monitor next to the crib.

BUT!

Not one reporter or police officer bothered to say if they'd checked the monitor to verify if it was functioning! A prime example of the kind of 'half information' that's been tripping up and confusing this case from minute one.

peace

Thanks for keeping this thread up to date Silo, I really do appreciate it. I google the news and get many articles, but you lay it out in the thread where it is easy to try to stay on top.

As far as my first post to this thread, it will not let me edit it, so I will just say that I did not look at the date on the *posted* 911 call and made an incorrect judgement of the baby's father not knowing the baby. Need a strike through on it.

I still state that, as a parent, if my toddler was missing, everyone on the street would have been woken up and alerted to call the police. The *second* the baby is gone AND the only way I have to call anyone is gone also (coincidentally) I would be banging every door.

IWOH

I find it interesting that someone will say we are on a witch hunt yet this case is bizarre. This case is full of questions and odd circumstances. As time goes on it becomes more puzzling. Look at the cases that have captured the nations attention. Caylee Anthony, Haleigh Cummings, Kyron Horman these are missing child cases that had bizarre incidences and the parents/caretakers behavior was questionable. How could the mother not have heard the dog? Any parent out there has a gut feeling and somethings do not add up.

This baby is missing and was taken from her bed. This Mother needs to say everything she did that day, not make the police discover her whereabouts. If the mother had 3 cups of coffee that day then tell them, every detail counts. Tell your day over and over, something new may pop up that you forgot. Going on Good Morning America is not going to solve the crime, cooperation is.

With all the focus on the Mother seems the Father should have some of the publicity as well, he looked to me as if he felt guilty in the first interviews.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but how do we know he was not an accomplice or something?

If this was happening out of a kidnapping, wouldn't the parents be running to the media as often as they could in these critical first few days?

There are times when taking full vantage of the media is a good thing.

White baby, huh? Funny how you never see so much commotion about black babies who disappear. Oh, well, I guess they're just not as interesting.

Originally posted by Blue Shift
White baby, huh? Funny how you never see so much commotion about black babies who disappear. Oh, well, I guess they're just not as interesting.

Thank you for saying that. I think the same. It is amazing how the press leads the nation to focus on cute white kids. Most people never heard of Adji Desir or Hananah Jones, 9 months. No matter what, there are people out there that care and pray for every missing child, no matter the color, all children need to be safe and loved.

I cant agree with your statement, a child's color has nothing to do with this tragic development, or any other.

Look at the missing children's website and see what I mean.

Last year there was a little 2 year old boy whose parents said he was missing. Turns out dad beat him to death and threw him in a dumpster. They found the little baby in the land fill about 3 weeks later. The parents were doing the whole crying/begging for the return of their baby, all the while they knew what had happened. That story for me, is what made me so skeptical of other stories like this baby Lisa.

I also want to thank Silo for starting this thread and keeping it going!

When I recall *painfully* the day my one year old disappeared... it was afterwards rather embarrassing as I was TOTALLY freaked out beyond words. As it all turned out he had taken a walk across a 5 acre field and was found with some scratches on his bare feet but other than that happy and peaceful.

It took me quite some time to come out of it however.

I will not go into detail as to any specifics of my behavior prior to finding him so as not to disclose how an innocent Mom can possibly react, but yes, I see little of that alternate dimension opening from the behavior of either of the babies parents.

One thing in the initial interviews with the parents they never referred to their daughter as the baby, nothing endearing at all. Lisa is such a grown up reference to talk about your missing 'baby'.

I purposefully listened for key words of a loving parent like "My Baby" or "My Child" other words like precious or beautiful did not surface either.

No Oh my Gods or anything and to me that was unusual.

I am NOT judging and am not qualified to do so, but this as a Mother was disturbing from the first day of news coverage, but then not everyone is the same.

reply to post by silo13


Huh, I had not thought about that. Do we know what time it was when the Mom made the trip to the grocery store? Could the children have been put to bed before hand? She did have other children in the home as well right? And they know nothing? And what of the neighbor who reported a man carrying a baby? Any more on that?

Not found in the well and now they are demolishing the old house next door?
Why have we not heard any more about searching for a live baby? Really seems to be a search for a body.
The family has hired a private investigator to help.

kctv5

direct to story

reply to post by MissPoovey

Lisa Irwin's Family Seeks Help From Private Eye

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The family of Lisa Irwin said a New York-area private investigator will help in the case.

Bill Stanton stepped in front of cameras Tuesday evening and said he will work with authorities and the media to help find the 11-month-old.

KMBC's Marcus Moore reported that the Irwins said they did not hire Stanton, but declined to say who asked him for assistance with the case.

There we go with just another misleading headline. The title to this thread leads one to believe Lisa's family hired a P.I. They did not. And the P.I declines to say who hired him.

So, to answer your question? Yes, they're still looking for live Lisa. Or so one would presume when hiring a P.I.

I like your question about why the demolished the house. It's 0615 in the morning here. I can't even spell demolished. But, as soon as I hear something I'll come back and let you know.

peace

reply to post by antar

I purposefully listened for key words of a loving parent like "My Baby" or "My Child" other words like precious or beautiful did not surface either.

Hi Antar. Now you're a perfect person to ask this question. First I"ll answer one of yours. Yes, there were 2 other children in the house when baby Lisa disappeared. It was reported they were both ten, then under ten, then one ten and one 8, now the news has settled on one being just under ten the other 6. Who knows. Anyway, what's important for this question is both the children are boys.

Now you knowing that - the mother made the following statement.

'Please bring her back. Our other boys are home waiting for her...'

Ok - how does that make you feel if anything?

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Ok, now here's my reaction.

I'll tell you I about spun around in my chair and it doesn't swivel! To refer to Lisa as 'another boy' - the 'other boys' waiting for her? Wow, that caught my attention. I tried to write it off as fear/pain/stress, but honestly I keep coming back to it.

What is it about Lisa that would make the mother subconsciously refer to her as a boy? The mother wanted her first child from Jeremy to be a boy? That whole 'give him a son' thing? The mother doesn't like little girls? Nothing more/less than stress?

Hard to say but the article examining the linguistic patterns freaked on that too. I'll have to bring that article to the boards.

Edit to Add:

I forgot to answer your question. The two boys stayed up until 10:30 reported Lisa's mother, Lisa having gone to bed earlier.

I can't find anywhere where it says who babysat Lisa while the mom went to buy wine.

The 'man carrying the baby' tip has not 'panned out' in any way - so says the police.

peace

reply to post by silo13


I also caught that and stood on it in my mind for a moment, I interpreted it that she meant the other children were there and worried too. This must be so very tragic for the brothers, the picture of the little dark haired boy through the screen bent down laughing with her is enough proof of that, you can see the joy she brought him.

Have the boys been taken into protective custody? Seems like if there are too many unresolved questions for the authorities they would have placed them in a temporary situation.

The mom almost seemed like she was making the plea to the little girl and not any kidnappers... Maybe she did do something? Knows something? That she did not tell the detectives everything up front is a sign that she has something to hide. not sure she or he is guilty but I think she is acting either extremely ignorant and scared for herself or just not capable of remembering details.

I would love to read the linguistic specialists analogy.

When did this happen if the boys were up until 10:30 and how reliable is that info anyway?

Priva te investigator: New details coming in Lisa Irwin case

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - The family of a missing Kansas City girl has asked a private investigator to assist in the search , and he says he and the family will soon release new information in Lisa Irwin’s disappearance.

“We will be coming forth with information soon,” Bill Stanton said Tuesday night surrounded by Lisa’s family members. “We have some things we want to release, not at this time."

Ahhh, so the circus begins. This is just sickening.

Under state law , private investigators have to be licensed in Missouri, but Stanton does not appear on a six-page list of licensed investigators issued by the state. It’s not immediately clear how that might affect his actions in coming days.[/xe]

There's a video with Stanton's comments on the link. Some comments include:

'I am not here to defend or represent anyone. I'm here to find the perpetrators. To find Lisa.'

peace

edit on 12-10-2011 by silo13 because: (no reason given)

Today - Update

Police were called back to the house by Lisa’s mother. She told the police they should check fingerprints on some cigarettes butts she found on the ground by the family vehicle that was broken into last month.

(quote from above link - video).

Sooooo Lisa’s mother kept cigarette butts for a month from beside where the vehicle was broken into?

This is just getting too bizarre.

I’m sorry but she is sounding more and more like a guilty party who’s trying to stay in league with the police to either throw them off track, be ‘in the know’ or control the situation - all three.

peace

Originally posted by silo13
I’m sorry but she is sounding more and more like a guilty party who’s trying to stay in league with the police to either throw them off track, be ‘in the know’ or control the situation - all three.

peace

You're quite blatantly mad at this woman and so obviously think she's guilty already. And you want "peace"?
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Originally posted by silo13
When I started the thread I was a cockeyed optimist there'd be a happy ending. I so wanted to bring something to the boards to help support hope and wipe out cynicism.

Originally posted by silo13
'Please bring her back. Our other boys are home waiting for her...'

Ok - how does that make you feel if anything?

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Ok, now here's my reaction.

I'll tell you I about spun around in my chair and it doesn't swivel! To refer to Lisa as 'another boy' - the 'other boys' waiting for her? Wow, that caught my attention. I tried to write it off as fear/pain/stress, but honestly I keep coming back to it.

What is it about Lisa that would make the mother subconsciously refer to her as a boy? The mother wanted her first child from Jeremy to be a boy? That whole 'give him a son' thing? The mother doesn't like little girls? Nothing more/less than stress?

I have two big sons and a little daughter.

If I've been discussing her with a stranger and they've asked "is she your only one?" I usually reply with something like "I have two more, boys." or "I have two boys as well."

But occasionally (more than once) I have ended up replying in haste with, "no, I have two more boys." I got muddled up and tried to say both things at once. That doesn't mean subconsciously I have an unwanted daughter, does it?

You're grasping at straws.

peace

reply to post by InsideOfItAll


If the dog did'nt bark it means the person was known to the dog!

reply to post by wigit

But occasionally (more than once) I have ended up replying in haste with, "no, I have two more boys." I got muddled up and tried to say both things at once. That doesn't mean subconsciously I have an unwanted daughter, does it? You're grasping at straws.

Seems to be a lot of grasping at straws here.. sadly.

Hopefully the truth comes out eventually.