Lisa Irwin - Missing - One Year Later

Originally posted by gabby2011
reply to post by wildtimes

 

So are you saying that you think debbie is guilty..through your "professional" insight..and common sense?

Nope. I "said" what I am "saying."

I'm saying that this is the science behind how it's done through my "professional" training (MSW 2002 - Clinical Social Worker, specialist in Children and Families) and common sense.

Get it?
Read it again. It "states" clearly what I am "saying." My objective was to provide some education regarding the science and reasoning behind how it is DONE by professionals.

Try reading the article.

If afterward, you (and anyone else who is having problems following along) still have questions and aren't quite sure what I'm "saying," perhaps a course in reading comprehension might assist. ??

Originally posted by silo13
So, we've found the 'kitten' but not the kid.

(See mark 1:30 - Jeremy foots the small cat off the porch)...

peace

If i'm not mistaken that footage is of the family member's house where they were staying. It might be the family member's cat and not the one in question at the Irwin house that night. Or it could be any other neighbourhood cat really.

I'm not sure the exact reason for the posting of this...although I have some theories, i'll keep them to myself for now.

Michelle

reply to post by wildtimes

If afterward, you (and anyone else who is having problems following along) still have questions and aren't quite sure what I'm "saying," perhaps a course in reading comprehension might assist. ??

I have no problem comprehending what people write..and I have quoted at least three of your quotes on a previous posts stating how you thought it was Debbie who was guilty..

I will be curious to see how you back peddle..if it discovered that she is NOT guilty..

As far as being a "Clinical Social Worker, specialist in Children and Families", it means nothing... considering some of these workers have been known to work on the inside for TPTB...as well as not having the best interests of the family in mind.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

quote from the first link provided

"In this report, I am focusing on the Georgia Department of Family and Children Services. However, I believe Child Protective Services nationwide has become corrupt and that the entire system is broken almost beyond repair. I am convinced parents and families should be warned of the dangers." "· that caseworkers and social workers are oftentimes guilty of fraud. They withhold evidence. They fabricate evidence and they seek to terminate parental rights. However, when charges are made against them, the charges are ignored;"

Please forgive me if I don't bow down to your "professional expertise"..as there are some who work in these fields that leave little to be respected.

Brings to mind when when I went to see a child psychologist , when I was having some difficulty with my child. When I talked to him alone..all he could focus on was asking me questions about my sex life..which I found odd.

The guy was a creep, and way too focused on sex.. needless to say..I never let him counsel my child. He was a 'specialist" in dealing with children and families, and there was definitely something "off' about him...considering the way his eyes would "light up" when discussing sex.

reply to post by Michelle129th

Ahh, I see, it's my misinterpretation between 'house' and 'home'! Gotcha. It's the Uncles house but not the 'Brad-Win' home. English can be so misleading at times.

As for your theories? Why stop now?

peace

Originally posted by silo13
reply to post by Michelle129th

 

Ahh, I see, it's my misinterpretation between 'house' and 'home'! Gotcha. It's the Uncles house but not the 'Brad-Win' home. English can be so misleading at times.

As for your theories? Why stop now?

peace

I don't believe there was a misinterpretation of english words on your part. The misinterpretation was more of a mis-representation. We don't know that that cat was the one in question from the Irwin house the night Lisa went missing, and since we don't have that information, we can not say "hey...there's the cat from the Irwin house the night Lisa went missing..."

This is a thread about a missing child, so my theory on why you posted it would be off topic anyhow

Michelle

reply to post by wildtimes

Some people are naturals at Behavioral Analysis. It is a matter of working through detail with systematic thought. It starts with a premise:
Believe what you are told. This is the same principle of Statement Analysis: believe that what you are about to examine is truthful and make your way through the facts (or in the case of linguistic analysis, through the words) and see if you hit any bumps in the road.

Common sense, common sense, common sense! This is the key - as I’m sure you find in your own profession. Sometimes we have to just look at what we’re given and then go from there.

Very much the case when (for example) a parent says one thing - then does another. Or visa verse. Distorts details or leaves complete details out. Or blaming the authorities instead of taking responsibly for their own failures and mistakes.

A parent states ‘I’m having problems with my child.’ But then condemns a therapist for not supporting them - the parent. Maybe the therapist points to the parent and says - ‘Have you ever thought it might be your fault your child has problems.’ Who knows?

What happens then? The parent walks away blaming the therapist or psychologist for being ‘off’ because they (the parent) have not received the validation and feedback they sought. When the parent doesn’t get what they need - they ‘shut down’ and blame those very same people they originally went to for help.

That’s Deborah all over the place - and parents like her.

She talks to the police ‘looking for help‘. She doesn’t like their ‘approach’ even thought they‘re doing their job just as they would with ANY OTHER MOTHER WHO’S CHILD WAS MISSING and ends up blaming them.

Parents like Deborah take this ‘personally’ and in an instant forget they’re the one who went for help in the first place for their child!
Oh yeah. Once the police/person in authority doesn’t believe the parent and puts her/him under scrutiny - funny - all of a sudden the parent forgets about their child and it becomes all about ‘them’.

So, what do parents like Deborah do then? They walk away from police/authority figure whining to the world it’s ‘Their fault’ and there must be something wrong with ‘them’. They’re not ‘scared’ of the person they went to for help because that authority figure is ‘off’ or got a ‘gleam in their eye’ when pointing the finger of culpability at the parents (possible) involvement in their child's problem, having gone missing. Remember it's been three weeks since Deborah has talked to the police.

Narcissistic personality disorder in parents must be a horrible thing for anyone to deal with - much more the police who’re trying to find a missing 10 month old like little Lisa who the parent is quoted as calling her 'Mini-me’.

peace

reply to post by silo13

A parent states ‘I’m having problems with my child.’ But then condemns a therapist for not supporting them - the parent. Maybe the therapist points to the parent and says - ‘Have you ever thought it might be your fault your child has problems.’ Who knows? What happens then? The parent walks away blaming the therapist or psychologist for being ‘off’ because they (the parent) have not received the validation and feedback they sought. When the parent doesn’t get what they need - they ‘shut down’ and blame those very same people they originally went to for help. That’s Deborah all over the place - and parents like her.

When I went to a therapist concerning my child I expected to talk about the child, or at least to talk about the child and mines relationship.

When that therapist is constantly looking at my chest, and continually gears the conversation towards my private sex life..I have every right to trust my common sense, and get the hell out of there...and to make sure that man is never alone with my child in a room.

The fact that you would allure to it being the parents problem shows very much that you love to hammer on parents.

The fact remains there are some very twisted individuals who work in the system of providing help for families.

reply to post by Michelle129th

I don't believe there was a misinterpretation of english words on your part. The misinterpretation was more of a mis-representation. We don't know that that cat was the one in question from the Irwin house the night Lisa went missing, and since we don't have that information, we can not say "hey...there's the cat from the Irwin house the night Lisa went missing..."

Misrepresentation was more of a mis-representation? LOL. Wow, since I easily mistake 'house' (the Uncles) for 'home' (the Brad-Wins) I can assure you now you have me really flummoxed!

It's simple. Truly, I did in fact believe they were staying at their Uncle's 'house' for this and that but went 'home' (their home) later carrying a pumpkin with the kids and that's where the video was taken. So - Perdonami! And compliments to you - you've a great eye there to pick up on the mistake! We're very fortunate to have to have you here to keep things straight - especially in this case with so much misinformation about Lisa from the media, etc!

Wasn't it reported Lisa's family was going 'home' today anyway? I was sure it was. That must have lent to my misinterpretation - especially considering the number of videos and articles I've gone through today concerning Lisa and her disappearance, a month to the day now.

Where's Lisa?

peace

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reply to post by silo13



What does all that back peddling have to do with you saying they found the cat but not Lisa?

You insinuated it was the same cat.....without ever knowing if it was..

This is all over twitter right now....wish I was anywhere closeby.....if there is anyone in the area (I know there was earlier on in the thread, maybe you can offer some help?

SAT 11/5 SEARCH STARTING @ 10 am @ 3620 NORTH LISTER BABY LISA IRWIN'S HOME PLZ COME HELP WE NEED TO FIND BABY LISA THANK U #Lisairwin

Also on one of the neighbour's facebook accounts that is apparently organizing the search

Edith Fineposted toKMBC News GOOD EVENING SATURDAY 11/5//2011 WE ARE HAVING A BIG SEARCH STARTING AT TEN AN IT WILL BE ALL DAY LONG WE WILL BE CHECKING IN EVERY FEW HOURS SO COME JOIN WHEN U CAN WE NEED THE HELP WE NEED TO FIND BABY LISA WE R MEETING AT 3620 NORTH LISTER BABY LISAS HOME THANK U N GOD BLESS

I hope something...anything will be found to at least point in a direction for helping with this case

Michelle

reply to post by Michelle129th


GREAT NEWS! Thank God people are not giving up (even if we don't see the parents out there footing it or talking to the police)!

Thanks!

Edit to Add Ok sorry, you said twitter not FB. What about the second link? Have you a link to that? If you've any doubt about including it on the thread would you be so kind to U2U me? I'm still not sure about adding FB links here. I posted a question to a Mod but have not heard back yet.

Thanks again.

reply to post by silo13


This is the FB link I found it at (found via a twitter account). This woman, Edith Fine, seems to be an organizer of the event and is tweeting and facebooking it all over, thank goodness for her and her concern

Edith Fine

Michelle

reply to post by gabby2011

The guy was a creep, and way too focused on sex.. needless to say..I never let him counsel my child. He was a 'specialist" in dealing with children and families, and there was definitely something "off' about him...considering the way his eyes would "light up" when discussing sex.

Yup. There are incompetents and frauds and charlatans EVERYWHERE, gabby. You are absolutely right. It's all about CHARACTER. One must be careful in selecting with whom they want to interact.

Getting back on topic, It doesn't matter one WHIT to Lisa what your experience in Georgia was with some jerk, does it?
No. It doesn't.
It also doesn't matter to Lisa what Nancy Grace thinks.
Or the other tantrum-throwing, belligerent loud-mouths who have decided to vilify OR champion Deborah without knowing a thing about her.
Or the cameramen following her children around while they trick or treat thinking it portrays them as "normal."

I'm just looking at what information is available, and interpreting the behavior and trying to solve the mystery.
That is what the investigators are doing.

(Oh, and it's "back-pedal.")

Expert: There is still hope for missing baby Lisa Irwin

According to Ernie Allen, each year in the U.S., there are approximately 115 "stereotypical kidnappings." Of those, Allen says, 56 percent come home alive.

"We think there is real hope for Lisa," says Allen. "You'll often hear that if a child isn't found in a day or a week or a month then there is no hope, but it's just not true."

Particularly in the case of infant abductions, Allen says, the intent of the kidnapping usually isn't to kill or hurt the child, but actually to take care of him or her.

YAY! There's still hope! As long as she's alive, there's still hope! No matter how long it takes!

peace

reply to post by wildtimes

I'm just looking at what information is available, and interpreting the behavior and trying to solve the mystery. That is what the investigators are doing.

Now you're trying to make yourself appear like you are nothing like the loud mouths who have attempted to vilify or defend Lisa.

When in fact you have been one of the most ardent in trying to vilify her.

Also.. I never said what happened to me was in Georgia..merely put up some links from another member who knows what the foster system is about considering she was apart of it..

I suggest you be the one taking a course in reading comprehension.. if you are going to make assumptions like that.

You also said that this would NEVER have happened if Debbie had not been drunk..in a u2u to me.

Wow..what a lovely thought coming from someone who professes to understand families.

How judgmental is that?

If Debbie had not drank an ounce of liquor that night..and gone to bed .. after visiting with neighbors and whoever.. who's to say it wouldn't have happened anyhow ?.. people can sleep deeply..and children have been taken out of homes while parents were asleep..even older children who could have fought and screamed.

Not an easy listen.

We're praying for you Lisa!!!

peace

Was there not a diaper found in an abandoned home near the Irwin's?

www.imperfectparent.com...


Did I read in this thread that Jersey the handyman who once dated Meagan, was squatting in an abandoned home nearby the Irwins?

Do they have any DNA evidence on this diaper ?

I really think this guy had something to do with it, and was there that evening..and maybe came back..

Originally posted by gabby2011
Was there not a diaper found in an abandoned home near the Irwin's?

www.imperfectparent.com...


Did I read in this thread that Jersey the handyman who once dated Meagan, was squatting in an abandoned home nearby the Irwins?

Do they have any DNA evidence on this diaper ?

I really think this guy had something to do with it, and was there that evening..and maybe came back..

There were diapers, wipes and men's clothing found. They were ruled out as belonging to Lisa due to their age. Here is a link in regards to:

Handyman quizzed over disappearance of Baby Lisa as police search nearby vacant house where diapers were found

A backpack containing used diapers and baby wipes were found in a vacant home near where baby Lisa went missing from. Soiled diapers were also found in a wooded area close to the house. ....On Saturday evening, police spokesman Captain Steve Young told Fox said that the diapers seem to have been there for some time...

Michelle

Originally posted by silo13
Kansas City police said they are not actively searching for 11-month-old Lisa Irwin. Police also said the parents still are not cooperating in the investigation.

That about says it all... Besides...

Where's Lisa?

peace

The news outlets that were reporting this earlier made me very concerned. Even if they have 100% proof and evidence of who is responsible for Lisa going missing, they still need to either find her, or god forbid, her body. Thank goodness it was just once again the media either misquoting, mistaken, or just being sensational again...

I wonder if they can be held somehow accountable for their lies or misleading headlines...or if it can be excused as "misinterpretation"

Police: Still actively searching for missing baby

KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) - The Kansas City Police Department is still actively searching for missing baby Lisa Irwin, authorities said Friday. Police confirmed that their search is still active. This follows a media report that the police had called off active searches for the baby.

Michelle