Lisa Irwin - Missing - One Year Later

reply to post by schmae


How do we know she was drunk at the time?

Does Casey Anthony ring any bells? She's hardly a criminal mastermind, but many believe she got away with murder. She even beat her neglect charges, which clearly existed.

I have been following this thread since pg 1. Very sad.

Unfortunately, I feel that the Parents are responsible and that the little girl has met with fowl play.

I hope I am proven wrong, sometimes we can't see the forrest for the trees: I became suspicious because of their story of events.

the window theory, the phones missing... all BS. My gut feeling is she is lying, the police will find the child.

sorry to be so negative but it is how I feel.

reply to post by Rebekka

Thank you Rebekka - it's no go for me.

FAA initiates no fly zone over Lisa Irwin search area

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Approximately 15 FBI agents, some with dogs, are searching a large wooded area off North Brighton Avenue and 34th Terrace. The Federal Aviation Administration has initiated a no fly zone for a two mile radius of the search area.

It goes on later to say:

They continue to seek new clues in the Lisa Irwin case.

FBI spokesperson Bridget Patton said they have looked at this area several times, but no specific tip led them there.

Patton said she doesn't believe the trail has gone cold.

It seems to be an awful lot of movement and man power for 'no specific lead'... But I guess we'll have to take her word for it.

peace

reply to post by AngryAlien

How do we know she was drunk at the time?

Lisa's mother admitted in more than one interview to being drunk that night. To drinking more than 5 glasses of wine, less than ten.

When asked how often she lets that happen she replied a 'couple times a week'. She smirked when being asked the questions and when answering them. She freely admits to (often) drinking and getting drunk to enjoy her 'adult time' as she put it.

When asked if she 'blacked out' she made positive replies all meaning she agreed it was possible she had (blacked out).

It's also been reported she was, along with drinking, taking 'anxiety' medication. She admitted to this also.

peace

oh wow. I did not read the above and when I first wrote ' police would find her', I originally had 'the police dogs will find her' but back spaced over it because I didn't like the way it came across.

well, I hope the little cherub is found and those respnsible get all they deserve!

Silo, thanks for the updates.

Authorities swarm to site near Lisa Irwin’s home

High-ranking police officials and crime scene technicians have descended on a wooded area (cut) a few blocks from the home where 11-month-old Lisa Irwin disappeared two weeks ago. Two crime scene vans and multiple unmarked police cars and SUVs were on the scene.

Crime scene technicians were observed going into the woods with screens used to sift dirt.

Sifting dirt? That leads me to believe they're looking for something smaller than a little body. I don't even want to go there with my thinking. I'm remembering the 'burnt clothes' and the dumpster fire.

peace

reply to post by silo13


Maybe the cell phones ??

reply to post by schmae


Oh this just reminds me of another inconsistency in the story that I don't know has been mentioned. The parents said no one could call out on the phones . They had 'restricted service' due to not paying their phone bills. This is from the MEGAN girl on foxnews. Then in their interview Megan asks them ' did you try to call the phone to see if anyone picked up ' ? Like your baby's kidnapper? The mother said No we didnt want to interfere with the police procedures, etc. Why didn't the mother say... ' what good would calling do, the phones dont' ring, we didnt pay the bill' ?

Irwin Attorney Returns To New York, FBI Continues Searches

Lisa Irwin's parents left their home with a woman in a government vehicle Tuesday, after the woman met with them for a couple hours.

That meeting happening about noon at the house on North Walrond where Lisa's parents have been staying. They left without speaking with the media.

Then:

Tacopina returned to New York Monday night after his news conference with the parents.

I wonder why that is? Something to keep in mind for sure.

peace

reply to post by schmae

Oh this just reminds me of another inconsistency in the story that I don't know has been mentioned. The parents said no one could call out on the phones . They had 'restricted service' due to not paying their phone bills. This is from the MEGAN girl on foxnews. Then in their interview Megan asks them ' did you try to call the phone to see if anyone picked up ' ? Like your baby's kidnapper? The mother said No we didnt want to interfere with the police procedures, etc. Why didn't the mother say... ' what good would calling do, the phones dont' ring, we didnt pay the bill' ?

That's exactly the interview I've been looking for! You're right!

Also - me not knowing anything about cell phones? I heard in the same interview - (at least I think it was that one) - why not call 911? Meaning - even if you've not paid your bill you can still call 911 from a cell phone!!!

Maybe that's only a newsflash to me but it's pretty obvious.

THANKS!

Ohhh! And thank you for reminding me about the cellphones and the possibility that's what the FBI and Police are 'sifting' for at the moment! WHEW!

Originally posted by silo13
reply to post by Michelle129th

 

Any information not given to you by the police directly is misinformation.

Dang! There goes MSM!

I do understand your point though.

But reality says Lisa's mother being 'drunk' started out as a 'rumor' also - a rumor spawned from people putting two and two together and coming up with 4.

Rumor is just a catch phrase for what people are thinking and surmising in this case. The 'drunk' rumor proved correct. So did the 'anxiety medicine'. So did many of the facts that have been confirmed.

Don't kid yourself - the police work on 'rumor' also. And they do the same thing we're doing here just on different level. They, like we, research and check out unproven conclusions to either confirm or refute them. That being said - any information that doesn’t equal to truth in this thread will always be corrected as soon as possible and has been right along.

Sure, we're all doing a lot of arm chair detective work at the moment but we're doing the best we can do - all in hopes to help find Lisa. Or at least the majority of people participating in this thread are and that counts for something.

peace

edit on 18-10-2011 by silo13 because: bbc bold

The difference is the police dont release the rumours to the public for everyone to mull over and make an opinion against the person in question before the truth (based on the rumour or not) comes to light. I have seen so many errors in this thread it's ridiculous...from the 911 call, to the pregnancy, to the biological parent...to some lady on a blog claiming the mom is a klepto (do we know the accuser anymore than we know the mom? NO..but we now have a pre-conceived nothing of what mom is about).

There has been muddying the waters or someone's reputation from the first page of this thread....prior to the knowledge of mom's drinking, the unlocked door, or any of the other information that has come. There are many people on this thread that made a decision on parent's guilt well before there should have been a decision made.

Fair enough..it's unrealistic to believe we will ever live in a world without opinion and judgement I think some people that are uncomfortable with admitting they're judgemental hide behind the "IMO" phrase too often.

I think the thread title should be changed to "judgements and opinions on Lisa's mother"...rather than "updates on Lisa's disappearance". You've said you're keeping your personal thoughts out of it and are only focused on the child being returned safely..and yet in pretty much every single post you are discussing the mom and her parenting mistakes. I guess that's what you consider armchair detecting? I haven't seen once anyone considering the dad...AT ALL. How about if mom was "passed out" drunk and dad came home and did something to the baby. Maybe that's why he said the door was unlocked...maybe that's why the dog didn't bark..maybe that's why neighbours saw "a man carrying a baby". But since page one it's been pretty consistently. Even armchair detectives consider all possibilities


Michelle

reply to post by Michelle129th


The dad is on video for all his hours at work. Yes he might have done something when he got home at 4 am, but that is much later than the person seen walking with baby in the neighborhood. Police have discounted the person walking with baby as either rumor, speculation or unrelated.
The dad could very well be involved. They could be in on it together and one covering for the other.
Or there could be a random mystery person who has yet to be uncovered.
Or what I'm personally beginning to think is maybe the NEIGHBOR has done something , knowing
mom was blackout drunk and that would explain no barking dog and knowing where the cell phones
were and just about everything else.

reply to post by Michelle129th

The difference is the police dont release the rumours to the public for everyone to mull over and make an opinion against the person in question before the truth (based on the rumour or not) comes to light. I have seen so many errors in this thread it's ridiculous...from the 911 call, to the pregnancy, to the biological parent...to some lady on a blog claiming the mom is a klepto

Fine, then let‘s just stop searching credible MSM on the internet - because that is exactly where I got the majority of the information. Over and over again the many news sources I‘ve been scouting have been wrong or misleading and out and out wrong information given by the police!

But, by your implication that‘s my doing. No, it isn‘t. And I‘ve answered this question before. Twice. I also pointed out I‘ve cleared up the problems as they‘ve been ironed out. Note not one news source redacted anything. I did.

There has been muddying the waters or someone's reputation from the first page of this thread....prior to the knowledge of mom's drinking, the unlocked door, or any of the other information that has come. There are many people on this thread that made a decision on parent's guilt well before there should have been a decision made.

That’s what people do - especially based on information from MSM. Again, I’ve answered these questions before.

Fair enough..it's unrealistic to believe we will ever live in a world without opinion and judgement I think some people that are uncomfortable with admitting they're judgemental hide behind the "IMO" phrase too often.

I’m not uncomfortable at all with pointing out my opinions and judgments. (Again) I stated quite a few pages back I was through keeping my opinion to myself. It’s not asked of me by ATS and why shouldn’t I share my thoughts in a thread I’ve been working on for 15 days, at my own expense and while putting in 3-4 hours a day gathering info. Too bad for you or anyone else who doesn’t like it. Again - I’ve answered and commented on this before also. At least on two occasions.

I think the thread title should be changed to "judgements and opinions on Lisa's mother"...rather than "updates on Lisa's disappearance".

In my opinion and my judgment that is absurd. Look at page after page of LINKS TO UPDATE AND LIVE COVERAGE FROM MSM that include NO OPINION. Obviously you’ve not read the whole thread or you’d know that.

You've said you're keeping your personal thoughts out of it and are only focused on the child being returned safely..and yet in pretty much every single post you are discussing the mom and her parenting mistakes. I guess that's what you consider armchair detecting? I haven't seen once anyone considering the dad...AT ALL.

Again it’s glaringly obvious you’ve not read all my posts. Talk about judging on insufficient evidence! Oh my! Tisk Tisk.

If you had bothered to read my posts you’d see I’ve included the father as a suspect many times. Including Jeremy covering up for the two boys, the mother, possibly being involved in porn, etc.

Look, you want to attack me? Go ahead. I could care less. But let me give you a little hint. When your arms get tired? Stop digging. It's just too obvious you're on your own witch hunt based on very little involvement in the thread.

As for me? I'll not go on wasting my precious time answering replies by people who don’t want to judge a drunken excuse for a mother who failed to provide a bare minimum of safety for her children but have no problem at all judging me.

There’s a word for people like that. They’re called hypocrites.

END of discussion.

peace

Investigators again find nothing at wooded area near home of missing Lisa Irwin

Capt. Steve Young with Kansas City police said the search of the area was due to a developed lead in the case. Around 4:15 p.m., Young said investigators found nothing in the area.

Thank goodness! We've still got hope she's alive!

peace

Originally posted by silo13
reply to post by AngryAlien

 

How do we know she was drunk at the time?

Lisa's mother admitted in more than one interview to being drunk that night. To drinking more than 5 glasses of wine, less than ten.

When asked how often she lets that happen she replied a 'couple times a week'. She smirked when being asked the questions and when answering them. She freely admits to (often) drinking and getting drunk to enjoy her 'adult time' as she put it.

When asked if she 'blacked out' she made positive replies all meaning she agreed it was possible she had (blacked out).

It's also been reported she was, along with drinking, taking 'anxiety' medication. She admitted to this also.

peace

edit on 18-10-2011 by silo13 because: spelling and added info

That may be so, but how do we know she was drunk when the girl went missing? Perhaps the "incident" happened while she was still sober, then proceeded to drink to drown out the guilt...

I'm not debating that she was drunk that night, just that she may not have been drunk whilst "possibly" covering up a crime.

reply to post by AngryAlien

That may be so, but how do we know she was drunk when the girl went missing? Perhaps the "incident" happened while she was still sober, then proceeded to drink to drown out the guilt...

Sorry! I get your question now!

And you're right. There's nothing to say Lisa's mother wasn't involved someway in her disappearance and then went and got drunk! Very good! I hope we get an answer to that in days to come! Yes, very good thinking that. Cool.

peace

Originally posted by Michelle129th

Originally posted by silo13
reply to post by Michelle129th

 

Any information not given to you by the police directly is misinformation.

Dang! There goes MSM!

I do understand your point though.

But reality says Lisa's mother being 'drunk' started out as a 'rumor' also - a rumor spawned from people putting two and two together and coming up with 4.

Rumor is just a catch phrase for what people are thinking and surmising in this case. The 'drunk' rumor proved correct. So did the 'anxiety medicine'. So did many of the facts that have been confirmed.

Don't kid yourself - the police work on 'rumor' also. And they do the same thing we're doing here just on different level. They, like we, research and check out unproven conclusions to either confirm or refute them. That being said - any information that doesn’t equal to truth in this thread will always be corrected as soon as possible and has been right along.

Sure, we're all doing a lot of arm chair detective work at the moment but we're doing the best we can do - all in hopes to help find Lisa. Or at least the majority of people participating in this thread are and that counts for something.

peace

edit on 18-10-2011 by silo13 because: bbc bold

The difference is the police dont release the rumours to the public for everyone to mull over and make an opinion against the person in question before the truth (based on the rumour or not) comes to light. I have seen so many errors in this thread it's ridiculous...from the 911 call, to the pregnancy, to the biological parent...to some lady on a blog claiming the mom is a klepto (do we know the accuser anymore than we know the mom? NO..but we now have a pre-conceived nothing of what mom is about).

There has been muddying the waters or someone's reputation from the first page of this thread....prior to the knowledge of mom's drinking, the unlocked door, or any of the other information that has come. There are many people on this thread that made a decision on parent's guilt well before there should have been a decision made.

Fair enough..it's unrealistic to believe we will ever live in a world without opinion and judgement I think some people that are uncomfortable with admitting they're judgemental hide behind the "IMO" phrase too often.

I think the thread title should be changed to "judgements and opinions on Lisa's mother"...rather than "updates on Lisa's disappearance". You've said you're keeping your personal thoughts out of it and are only focused on the child being returned safely..and yet in pretty much every single post you are discussing the mom and her parenting mistakes. I guess that's what you consider armchair detecting? I haven't seen once anyone considering the dad...AT ALL. How about if mom was "passed out" drunk and dad came home and did something to the baby. Maybe that's why he said the door was unlocked...maybe that's why the dog didn't bark..maybe that's why neighbours saw "a man carrying a baby". But since page one it's been pretty consistently. Even armchair detectives consider all possibilities


Michelle

Hey Silo..I had to chime in here....Michelle, did you see any interviews at all with the mom & dad?? just asking because the parents have told 3 or 4 different stories. A lot of what is being said about the mom, has come out of her very own stupid mouth...Putting your 10 month old baby to bed at, what is it 6:40 now, with 2 other children in the home, then drinking yourself stupid, so you can have "adult time", IS STUPID & yes, unfit. Since she was the only responsible adult in the home...She also admitted she takes anxiety meds. ...My question is: Exactly WHEN was baby Lisa last seen by anyone other then family??? SILO, props for doing an awesome job!

Just saw this in now a "big story". Faux news national prime time slot at 6:15pm cst. If a war or another political scandal don't happen soon I see this turning into a circus.

Maybe they have a lead:

Police are investigating a possible sighting of baby Lisa Irwin after witnesses spotted two women with an infant that matched the missing 11-month-old's description, and RadarOnline.com has exclusive confirmation from the private investigator in the case.

Source

Silo
I hope the "armchair" which michelle129 tried to strap you in, has found a promenent place in your next garage sale. If you charge more than 2 cents you are ripping people off.
Michelle is right though in why is not more attention being placed on the dad ?
What I want to know is how far in advance did he know he would suddenly have to work the night shift ( yes I asked earlier but will ask again )
When was the last time HE saw baby Lisa ?
What time did he show up at work ?
What time did he leave the house to go to work ?
Where was Mom and baby Lisa when he left for work ?
I am certain that the KCPD asked all these questions and more and verified them.
So where am I going with this.
Let's start with mom.
Seen on video buying a 'box' of wine. There is a major reaction. A WHOLE FREAKING BOX !!!!
( I have yet to see the brand of wine or it's alcohol content )
Then we have mom admitting that she was drunk and may have blacked out. Another major reaction. She was so piss drunk she did not know if she was foot or horseback.
Now from what I understand, she has a history with alcohol. IF that is true, wine is not going to get her to blackout stage. Just my .... well let's just say my opinion.
Mom is a willing stooge playing ... well, the stooge.
For those of you thinking WTH? I forgot to mention that I believe both parents together sold little baby Lisa.
Back to the dad.
Who saw him leave for work ?
Was he carrying a blanket lined tool box that no one would take notice of ?
I could go on but what is the point.
Deborah and Jeremy could no more "cover up" or "mastermind" this horrible fiasco anymore than I could caddy for Tiger Woods ( not that I would want to but you get the point ).
Somebody wanted this baby and paid for her. Someone else with big bucks are pulling the strings.
Not saying Mom did not love her... but between her and dad, money was more important.
For those of you who think I am insane .... have you ever known an alcoholic who would even admit they were alcoholic, much less admit to having blackouts ?? ( while caring for children ??? ) She made it up.
I believe little baby Lisa is safe and well cared for.

I think dad "delivered" the baby somewhere out of video camera range on his way to work.
He has an alibi. Mom is a supposed alcoholic who everyone now hates. She buys a 'box' of wine less than 12 hours before her daughter disappears. She "blacksout" and cannot recall all the details and changes her story ( which was a lie to begin with ) so the whole world is totally confused and focuses on her. No body, no motive, no crime.

$100,000 reward. Not a problem if you know you never have to pay up.
$750 per hour lawyer. Not a problem if he is only doing it for national spotlight and "future" considerations.

I have no idea what happened. My thoughts are pure speculation. I only believe that little Lisa is safe. She is loved and well cared for. That is what I want believe and will continue to believe.


Follow the money.