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Lisa Irwin - Missing - One Year Later

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posted on Oct, 18 2011 @ 10:21 AM
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Interesting theories.

To answer your one question? She is still married to another man and living with Jeremy Irwin, the father of Lisa. Lisa's paternity was questioned at one point but she is Jeremy Irwin's.

So you think maybe its' blackmail? I wonder what over? She has no money. Maybe a vendetta? If you can believe the stores going around about her past she sure did piss off a lot of people.

You've got use thinking! That's all good! Thank you!

peace




posted on Oct, 18 2011 @ 10:26 AM
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If so, then she is also covering for herself. No normal person leaves it to two children (8 and 6 years old) to take care of a 10 month old baby while you get drunk. Even if one or both of the boys did something to Lisa, the baby was still HER responsibility as the mother.


Exactly. That’s what tweaks me about Lisa’s mother being so smug and righteous over her ‘adult time’. You practice ‘adult time’ by being just that, and adult, and that does NOT mean leaving three little children at the mercy of fate when you’re drunk and blacked out without another responsible adult in the home!

Gawd. I want to give a life prescription of smart pills to people who think this is ok. It’s like I said before. What parent would hire a babysitter to watch three kids and allow drunkenness once the kids go to bed? No one right? So what makes it correct to do the same damn thing if you’re the parent?

What a ‘DUH” that is huh!

Thank you!

peace



posted on Oct, 18 2011 @ 10:31 AM
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To me that would be the only reason for the phones to disappear. Someone said at 2:30 I called or texted so and so get rid of the phones- not sure which one, someone got rid of all of them.


It's that, or, something very evil and seedy I'm really trying not to mention much but now it's time. I should check first if Deborah or Jeremy spent much time on the internet but... If they did? This case just took a really ugly turn.

Think about how many parents these days are sending porn of their own children, filmed on their phone-cams, to others.

That person just might have come and got little Lisa for two reasons. One, because they wanted her, and two, take the telephones so there's no way to trace the porn.

This isn't so far fetched, not at all. I just need to find out about their internet time. Computers in the home, etc. That's the first thing that came to mind when the police asked reporters NOT to film the new evidence taken from the home. If the public say a computer/laptop whatever being removed? See what I mean.

peace



posted on Oct, 18 2011 @ 10:34 AM
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Another update from the show "Issues":






posted on Oct, 18 2011 @ 10:42 AM
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Morning Silo- I am glad you are on this but your post made me ill. The thoughts of children, porn and drunks turns my stomach. Your post was a slap of reality of what could really happen to a child, I prefer looking though my rose colored glasses but I do know that reality exists.

This case reminds me so much of the Haleigh Cummins case. Those people are just white trash and the longer things went on the worse the parents looked.



posted on Oct, 18 2011 @ 10:50 AM
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I know Aunt B, I know. It made me sick thinking about it but those cell phones! They're haunting me! And I heard something on a news cast earlier about a Mother (no less) selling porn via computer and I thought OH NO!!! And yes, it is horrible to have to lower our glasses (rose tinted) at times, but, if there's anything that we can come up with that might help to find Lisa - it's gotta be done.

Again, I hope and pray I'm wrong.
gracie



posted on Oct, 18 2011 @ 10:52 AM
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Thank you Hedy. I meant to thank you the other day also - I appreciate you taking the time to load up these videos.

Question. Did you hear in any of the videos about Lisa's mother being pregnant with twins? I know there was talk of it way back...but... Rumor? Fact? I bet you'd remember if you did hear it!

Thanks for letting us know - rumor or no it would be good to get that ironed out.

Thank you again!



posted on Oct, 18 2011 @ 10:55 AM
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Unfortunately I have not heard anything about that... I did not upload them myself, just checked the latest youtube vids.



posted on Oct, 18 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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These people have come straight out of a Springer, or Povich episode. What a bunch of white trash. Mixing alcohol with anti-anxiety medication (xanax or valium) is crazy. Stupid ^%^%#@@#$%%@#&^%$ bitch, she's responsible reguardless who took the baby.
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posted on Oct, 18 2011 @ 11:30 AM
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My instincts say that the mother is innocent and had nothing to do with the disappearance of her baby. Getting drunk while being the primary caregiver of three children was a horrible and stupid thing to do, but I firmly believe every single parent has, over the course of the child's first 18 years, done something horrible and stupid and were lucky enough not to have something tragic happen during that moment.

I think that the Casey Anthony trial has made us all eager for revenge (or as some are justifying it, "righting a wrong") and this mother is paying for it.



posted on Oct, 18 2011 @ 11:30 AM
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Live Blog: Search Continues For Missing 11-Month Old


When asked by "Good Morning America's" George Stephanopoulos about changes in Deborah Bradley's story about when she last saw the baby, Tacopina denied there was any sort of discrepancy.

"There's not a four-hour gap," Tacopina said. "There's not, because what she said was she put the baby to bed around 6:30 p.m., at one point, during one of the 13 hours of interviews, she had said she believed she had checked on her at 10:30 p.m. It's not an inconsistency. It may be a recollection refreshed at some later point, but it's certainly not material as to whether she had anything to do with the disappearance of her baby. Other witnesses were there that fixed the time lines."


How oily can you get. He just writhes out of everything. Problem is we're all intelligent adults and WE KNOW WHAT WE HEARD!


Bill Stanton, the private investigator hired last week by someone anonymous to help the parents also appeared with Tacopina. Stanton said he is convinced that someone outside the house took the baby.

"My feeling is that baby is alive. Someone has her," Stanton said.


Oh how I hope he's right!

peace



posted on Oct, 18 2011 @ 11:50 AM
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Lisa Irwin case: Version 4.0.1, a lawyer, still no baby


Last time Lisa was seen alive:

10:30 pm when Deborah put her to sleep

No, she was put to bed at 7 to 7:30 pm and then Deborah checked on her before Deborah went to bed herself at 10:30 pm,

Version 4.0.1: No, 6:40 pm is when Lisa was put to bed.

Deborah went back in one time a few minutes after putting Lisa in bed, found her standing up in her crib, laid her back down and then has no clue if she ever checked on her again. Probably did, don’t know if she did, usually does on her way to go to bed herself, but doesn’t know, can’t remember if she did – because she was drunk.

Lights and door:

Deborah did not leave the lights on and did not leave the door unlocked. Deborah did not leave the lights on and might have left the door unlocked. Deborah might have left the lights on and did not leave the door unlocked.

Version 4.0.1: Deborah has no idea if she left the lights on and the door unlocked – because she was drunk.


And the father came home and found the door unlocked but police said no one came through the screen.


Did anybody hear anything?

No.

No, and Deborah had a baby monitor in the room with her.

No, but Deborah’s bedroom is all the way on the other side of the house and she sleeps with the fan on high.

Version 4.0.1: Yes, the boys heard something but no one including their own parents is going to ask them about it because they’ve got to go through MOTFY Debbie to get to those kids, by golly, and it just aint going to happen. Doesn’t want to traumatize them. Of course, the two little boys wondering everyday where “Pumpkin Pie” went in the middle of the night, possibly seeing who took their little sister, and having nightmares about someone “disappearing” them after they go to sleep are not going through anything traumatic, right?


Or, they inadvertently had something to do with it - trying to help their little sister when mom was passed out, as usual, and something went wrong. Someone's covering this up. And, we hope that's so not what happened.


What did Deborah do while Jeremy was at work?

Gave Lisa a bath, put sleeping clothes on her, put her to sleep at 10:30 p.m. as Deborah was going to bed herself. Was programming new numbers in a new phone to replace a third broken one.

Put Lisa to bed at 7 to 7:30 pm, checked on Lisa at 10:30 pm as she was going to bed.

Version 4.0.1: Put Lisa to bed at 6:40 pm, checked on her once shortly after, either was well on her way to getting drunk or started getting drunk (she calls it “her adult time” ) has no clue if she ever checked on Lisa again, doesn’t really know what time she went to bed, hasn’t mentioned if boys were taken care of.

Says she only drinks after boys are put to bed, but then says she was drinking with neighbor while boys were playing with neighbors’ child, so apparently the boys, ages 8 and 6, also had to go to bed at 6:40 pm, or Mom was half-lit by the time, whatever time, they got shoved in bed…don’t know if they got baths, night clothes, etc.

Debbie may have “blacked out” but that’s okay because that’s what everybody does when they drink.

Has nothing to do with what happened to Lisa – that is except you haven’t got a clue if she was alive when you stumbled to bed, whether you left the house unlocked and lit like a storefront window.



The cell phones:

Three phones, one broken, one new. Debbie was programming new numbers in the new phone manually. All three phones missing because, Debbie says, that would slow them down on making a 911 call.

Three phones, one broken, one given to them by grandpa. Jeremy called 911 with his work cell phone he had in his pocket when he got home.


Version 4.0.1: Three phones, one broken, one given to them by grandpa.

Debbie’s bleep-faced, so most likely not programming anything.

Doesn’t matter any way because you couldn’t call out on any of the phones! Because they hadn’t paid the bill. (

Have no clue why you’d even bother programming a borrowed phone with numbers to call when you can’t use the darned thing. But curiously, this revelation is at the same time we learn that Debbie has been confronted with cell phone activity from one of those phones on the night Lisa disappeared.


Oh the tangled web we...


What happened when Jeremy came home:

Found door unlocked, lights on, window open in computer room with screen jacked up. Went and “checked on boys” then went and checked on Lisa. Lisa not in crib, went into master bedroom, Lisa not in bed with mom so he asked Deborah “where is Lisa”. Running around house, screaming Lisa’s name, Deborah stayed with boys in house, Jeremy looks outside. Cell phones gone.

Found door unlocked, lights on, window open in computer room, tried to close window, screen jacked up. Checked on “boy” in own bedroom, checked on Lisa, not in crib, went into master bedroom, Lisa not in there but Michael in bed with Deborah. Deborah hard to wake up. Asks “where is Lisa”. Running around house, screaming Lisa’s name. Cell phones gone. Uses Jeremy’s work cell phone in his pocket.

Found door unlocked, lights on, window open in computer room, screen jacked up. Checked on “boy” in own bedroom, goes straight to master bedroom, finds Deborah and Michael in bed, wakes Deborah up and asks about lights and door. Goes to Lisa’s room and finds her missing, comes back to master bedroom, tells Debbie Lisa is not in crib. Running around house, uses Jeremy’s work cell phone.

Versions 4.0.1: no, comes home, finds door unlocked, lights on, goes straight to master bedroom, wakes up Deborah (no mention of hard to wake her up, or she’s “shaking to” like a hung over wino), “talked for a couple of minutes”. THEN he mentions the door was unlocked, and the lights were on – Debbie immediately jumps up startled like something is wrong. THEN they find Lisa is gone from her crib.


Jesus...


Do you think someone came in through that window?

Maybe.

They had to have done it quieter than the cops.


They????


Absolutely not. No. (unanimous, in fact, again after KCPD kind of showed how ludicrous the idea was in the first place)

Versions 4.0.1: Absolutely


There’s a lot more on this link and some great comments. Very well worth reading - but - I can’t post it all here.

And what’s been staring me in the face? They did have a ‘computer room’. I’ll bet you anything what was taken out of the house this last time? Items the police didn’t want photographed?

The computer(s).

What else?

The new info connecting Debbie’s slip up about mentioning the police showed her 'burnt up clothes' - in coordinate with the dumpster fire.

Ouch.

peace
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posted on Oct, 18 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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After yesterday's developments of removing evidence from the neighbor ( who she got drunk with)'s house and saying for media NOT to film it, I am thinking mom and/ or the neighbor know something. I bet something like an arrest happens really soon. It's odd for a police department to say DO NOT FILM THIS and even more odd for media to COMPLY to that request.



posted on Oct, 18 2011 @ 01:11 PM
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Day 15: Still no word on where Lisa Irwin might be


FBI agents near a wooded area just off North Brighton were seen with a canine Tuesday morning a little after 10 a.m., a few blocks away from the parent's home on North Lister Avenue. They were looking through areas they have previously searched.

Police say the last "unrestricted conversation" police had with Lisa Irwin's parents was Oct. 6. After that, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin sought legal counsel from a local lawyer.


With Video on the link.

It's also suggested Tacopina may allow the Lisa's half-brothers to be interviewed again.

peace



posted on Oct, 18 2011 @ 01:13 PM
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It's odd for a police department to say DO NOT FILM THIS and even more odd for media to COMPLY to that request.


Oh I agree wholeheartedly there's a lot more here the family knows than they're telling.

Question for you. If the media did not comply, and took photos of the 'evidence' leaving the home - do you know what would have happened? Could they have been arrested? Confiscation of the tapes (of course) - but what else?

Thanks!
Good to see you.

peace



posted on Oct, 18 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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Mother drunk and in a black out as usual. Yes, she (Momma) is an alcoholic. She killed Baby Lisa in a fit of (drunken) rage. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. So sorry for Baby Lisa. Non alcoholics don't get black outs.
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posted on Oct, 18 2011 @ 01:35 PM
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Rumors floating around Lisa's mother's reported 'anxiety medicine' was prescribed for for postpartum depression.

I'm adding this now in the time line - to do just that - record the timeline as the 'rumor' starts.

When I can nail down a link - I'll do it, to either confirm or deny.

The rumor supposedly started with a Nancy Grace commentary. I don't know if I can watch them or not (I'm out of the USA).

I'll let you know and if anyone else has this information PLEASE POST IT!

peace



posted on Oct, 18 2011 @ 01:37 PM
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Non alcoholics don't get black outs.


Sorry to say, they do, and can, but I understand your point and thank you for your opinion. Please don't take offense that I hope you're wrong. I hope baby Lisa is still alive, as I'm sure you do, but I do understand how frustration factors in and gives wings to fears.

peace



posted on Oct, 18 2011 @ 01:38 PM
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I just saw a dr saying the med was EFFEXOR. His take is that it is commonly prescribed for post partum depression. I did not hear him say that it was in her case prescribed for PPD.



posted on Oct, 18 2011 @ 01:45 PM
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Who knows what could happen. I don't know if it's a crime or not. It's a courtesy by media to listen to police requests. They must have thought it was something very BIG and SERIOUS to not film it though. I am thinking someone did film it, but are withholding the footage until police let them air it.



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