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Thanks Gabby, I'm reading your link now.
Originally posted by schmae
reply to post by gabby2011
Ah, it was in your post I thought? See how HORRIBLE the memory can be Gabby ?
It is interesting though. There was a time when no body meant no charges even. Not so much anymore with science and all the new tests they can do.
Does anyone still think Lisa is alive? I know we all HOPE she is, but does anyone believe that she i s?
Biz-Man: I Hired Tacopina For$20G; He Bedded My Wife
Red hot attorney Joseph Tacopina, who has been scoring big wins in court lately, was once accused of scoring with a client’s wife. The episode led to a divorce action in which the client – who had hired the handsome Tacopina to handle a federal grand jury subpoena – accused the barrister of bedding his wife instead of battling the feds,Gang Land has learned.
The lawsuit was filed by the owner of a well-known Queens eatery who paid Tacopina a $20,000 fee to represent him – not as a subject or target of an investigation – but as a witness before the panel. Gang Land is withholding the name of the restaurateur, who has no criminal record, and is clearly a victim here.
According to court papers, the businessman alleged that two months afterhe paid the attorney his hefty retainer fee, his wife of five years began meeting Tacopina in Manhattan hotels and having an affair with the always well-coiffed attorney.
In his lawsuit, the husband alleged that his wife committed adultery with the attorney numerous times, including on August 8, 2002, when they enjoyed a tryst at a Manhattan hotel. Tacopina denied the allegations. But informed sources say that five days after the assignation, on August 13, 2002, the attorney agreed to refund the entire $20,000 fee on condition that the businessman “forego any claim or grievance” against Tacopina.
In the agreement, obtained by Gang Land, Tacopina stated: “I am only agreeing to
in order to avoid any unnecessary and irksome dispute at some later stage.”
The restaurant owner apparently made good on his promise. According to the Appellate Division of State Supreme Court, there are no publicly filed reprimands or censures against Tacopina regarding the above incident, or any other complaint or grievance that may have been filed against him since he was admitted to the bar in 1992.
Gang Land left detailed messages for both Tacopina and his attorney, Michael Ross, regarding the episode, but neither responded to requests for comment.
Tacopina and his attorney also stayed mum last week when Gang Land called regarding assertions that in April, 2007 he began cooperating with the feds against lawyer Ronald Fischetti (left) in a fee-splitting and tax evasion probe. Fischetti branded the allegations as “not true.”No charges resulted from the two-year-long federal grand jury investigation, but word of Tacopina’s cooperation spread on the criminal defense gossip vine. Since then, wiseguys have shunned the flashy Tacopina despite major courtroom wins like the sensational acquittal of a police officer of rape charges last month. Sources say that Tacopina implicated Fischetti in wrongdoing at the same time he agreed to testify against his former client, scandal-plagued ex-NYPD police commissioner Bernard Kerik.
Originally posted by gabby2011
I will say some peoples memory is better than others..
Gerald "Jerry" Capeci (born June 30, 1944 in Brooklyn, New York) is an American journalist and author who specializes in coverage of the Five Mafia crime families of New York City. Capeci has been described by news organizations, such as CNN and BBC, as an expert on the American Mafia.
Netz shifts easily from streaming tears to fist-clenching anger — against the media, the police and others who disbelieve his daughter in the disappearance of her baby.
"People are judging whether Debbie's crying enough, or if she's crying too much, or if her lip curls up in some body language secret, or if Jeremy doesn't show enough emotion." Another deep sigh. "This whole thing is insanity times 10."
"Nobody knows how they'd react until this happens. I'm sick of hearing, 'If they really cared they'd be doing so and so.' ... And through it all, little Lisa is out there somewhere, that's what gets me." His voice goes silent as he sobs.
That's why Netz discounts the theory that she would try to hide an accidental or negligent death of Lisa. "She would have picked that baby up and run up and down the street screaming for help," he said of his daughter. "No, she didn't do this. She's not hiding anything. She's told the whole world about her drinking ...
"I miss Debbie. She was a good mother ... There's just no way she could have done this, and she's just not smart enough — not that she's dumb — but she couldn't cover up something like this so well."
Not all of Debbie's family rallied around her. Her uncle, Johnny Chivalette III, called her twice from Delaware, the second time to ask her to confess.
He'd already called the Kansas City Police Department and had a conference call with four detectives.
Some family members think Chivalette just represents more of the dysfunction. Indeed, he concedes he has served time in prison.
The blogs have been brutal, too. One called for the immediate execution of Bradley and Irwin. Garbage, says Netz. All the family members have been hounded by national media. Netz has stopped watching television in disgust. He has angry words for the police, too.
He says officers called Debbie white trash, told her to cut the innocence act, that it was obvious she'd killed Lisa. They said they'd found the body, showed her burnt clothes, he says.
"Then, they told Jeremy that Debbie had confessed to them that Lisa wasn't his, even though she looks just like him! Eleven hours they talked with both Jeremy and Debbie and when they asked for a break, the police announced they weren't cooperating!"
Netz feels his daughter would have cracked if guilty. "If they had anything, anything on Debbie they'd arrested her by now." His hand clenches. "But they have nothing." Baby Lisa is out there, somewhere, Netz says.
but I guess if people who work in family therapy and "behavioral sciences" can call her ignorant trash ..who knows how police actually refer to her
The innocent say so.
Those who lie have a need to lie.
These are two principles that must be embraced if there will be understanding of investigations.
The innocent have an attitude towards the interrogator or interviewer; one of wanting the investigator to succeed, whereas the guilty are in a place of opposition or competition with the investigator, wanting him to fail. This is something that can be subtle, or can take a strong realm. They are on opposite sides and it becomes like a chess match of sorts.
The innocent often 'root for' or 'cheer for' the investigators and will stay with them, seeking to almost 'inspire' them to be 'successful' in the job of investigating.
The interviewer/interrogator can sense this rooting for, or rooting against him.
The innocent often do not wait to be asked, "did you do it?", they come out, without sensitivity indicators, and say so.
They say so early, and they say so often. Even under interrogation, statistically, the innocent align themselves and do not bristle under accusations, but seek to cause the investigator to continue to dig, as the innocence within them is coupled with the desire (especially in missing child cases) to find their loved one, at any personal cost. The innocent will gladly take the blame if it means recovering the child; this is the self--sacrificing attitude towards the innocent. They do not tire, nor do they seek to end the flow of information by ever saying "and that's all I know" as they lose sleep seeking to recall any minute detail that might help.
They 'root' for the interrogator to succeed in his job and do not wait to be asked, "did you do it?" as their innocence and drive for their loved one propels them to say so.
The guilty set themselves up in competition to the investigator and are in opposition.
The innocent do not wait to be asked if they did it.
I am retired, gabby. I am also not in any way involved with this family, the police, or you.
Remember to NEVER acknowledge when those same people -- whom you have abused, misquoted, misconstrued and attacked -- have conceded things to you, have not quoted your vicious profanity in u2us, have tried repeatedly to come to some understanding. Way to go.
I'm thinking they probably don't hire high-profile sleazy attorneys who defended mobsters until the time the mobsters stopped using them; or who defend corrupt police; or defend men who make young women disappear; or who are tied to bribes, adultery with a client's wife, and keeping their own records artificially "clean" by calling in favors.
But while we're at it what's a good well known publicly used term for a mom who hasn't enough money to pay her cell phone bill but can afford a big box of wine to drink? Drinks it to the point of blacking out and admits to doing so a few times a week?
Originally posted by schmae
reply to post by schmae
Woops Wild, I know you don't think they "HIRED" Joe T. What I meant was I doubt they would ever even look for a guy like him. I think he inserted himself in their lives and they probably thought or may still think it'sa good thing.
“The parents’ level of cooperation hasn’t been what it needs to be in order for us to find this girl,” said Kansas City Police Capt. Steve Young. “Should they change their minds, the door is always open.”
Police last interviewed Lisa’s parents Oct. 6. That same day — two days after Lisa vanished — Bradley refused additional police questioning or contact unless it went through a lawyer, sources close to the investigation told The Kansas City Star. Jeremy Irwin has insisted he be interviewed with Bradley present, the sources said.
In the days since, police have had trouble reaching the parents to discuss tips in the case or talk to them informally. In one instance, the parents said they could not talk to police because they already had scheduled a TV interview with a national outlet, sources said.
Although police have had brief contacts with Lisa’s parents in recent days, detectives have been unable to ask Bradley about inconsistencies in what she has told the national media outlets, including her changing timeline for the night her baby disappeared.
After telling America Live anchor Megyn Kelly over the weekend that they had no need for an attorney, the parents of Baby Lisa lawyered up early this week, hiring high-profile attorney Joe Tacopina. While Tacopina refuses to reveal who’s paying him for his services, Megyn told her audience Tuesday that she has spoken with a wealthy benefactor who claims she’s picking up at least some of the charges associated with the case – in particular, the reward.
The unidentified woman told Megyn that she’s offering her financial backing simply because she’s a mother herself and wants to assist in finding the missing 11-month-old.
Prior to the couple retaining Tacopina, Megyn asked Lisa’s mother, Deborah Bradley, in a sit-down interview why she didn’t seek out legal help as soon as authorities began pointing the finger in her direction.
“I thought it was part of the investigation,” she answered. “They’re always going to look at the closest family … I see it on TV. I figured, they’re gonna do it and then they’ll be done with it.”
Consistent with the new developments in the case, many questions remain unanswered. It is unclear how a modest American family could afford a high-profile New York lawyer like Joe Tacopina as well as the New York private investigator, Bill Stanton, hired to help find 11-month-old Lisa. An unnamed wealthy benefactor claims to be paying for Stanton's fees and has also offered a $100,000 reward for the return of Lisa or the conviction of those involved in her disappearance. It is unclear who is paying Tacopina's fees.