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Lisa Irwin - Missing - One Year Later

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posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by IwasOnceHappy

Originally posted by gabby2011
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I was going to post a few days ago that I was really disgusted with Short because she had to make such a huge media deal about "still trying to find Baby Lisa even though i'm off the case...." I thought she was just trying to take on the martyr role and she probably finished the media interview and never once thought about Baby Lisa again. But here we find (if Megan is to be believed and I don't see what the benefit would be to Megan to lie about Short visiting her) that Short is behind the scenes investigating.....that says SO much to me about her character....I take back my past judgements of her. If she indeed was looking for kudos....she would be putting herself much more in the spotlight....wonder if she's found anything worthwhile yet?


Wow..isn't that illegal for her to go fishing like that now that she is off the case..?

Hmmm..makes you wonder why she decided to do this case pro bono ?..why she got kicked off?..and why shes still poking her nose in it ? ..and is she even allow to tamper with possible witnesses in that way?

hasn't there been enough witness tampering ?..
what is going on here ..and why?


Good Questions. I looked up her bio at her law firm. Very interesting how she is described. If she is still searching for baby Lisa (I believe when she gave her interview after being taken off, she said she would still search as a concerned citizen), it would fit her profile at this link:

Attorney Short

IWOH


Well clearly this can't be;

But one highlight occurred very early in her career, when a jury angered by the treatment of her client acquitted him and demanded an apology from the police and prosecutors for their wrongdoing.


How often have we been told, that just can't happen? From the link you provided.




posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by Dav1d
Well clearly this can't be;

But one highlight occurred very early in her career, when a jury angered by the treatment of her client acquitted him and demanded an apology from the police and prosecutors for their wrongdoing.


How often have we been told, that just can't happen? From the link you provided.



By reading her Bio (well, what's posted by the law firm) it looks as if she is a pretty good lawyer. It portrays her as a person that cares for people and would fight for them.

Gets me thinking, it would make one wonder why this type of lawyer was fired from the case (by whomever was in charge of doing it). I would think they would want a lawyer with this type of background on their team.

Interesting.

IWOH
edit on 19-11-2011 by IwasOnceHappy because: Clarified my wording of wondering



posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 08:46 PM
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She appears to have done some great work..and its great if she is actively seeking justice for baby lisa..


But she must also realize what questioning witnesses could also do to the case..
..look at what happened to gils witness, mark?

Hopefully she knows what shes doing with questioning....and judging by her experience ,I'll assume she does for now..
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posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 09:35 PM
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I was reading her bio as well....and found an interesting thing. I noticed 2 of her specialties to be Homocide and Criminal Defense. Clicking on those links we find things like this

Cyndy Short's bio


Criminal and Capital Murder Defense
If charged with homicide, child sex abuse or if you are in need of support with mental health and the law, our attorneys are dedicated to providing the most thorough defense and legal guidance to our clients.


Criminal Defense Against Crimes of Violence Charges It is extremely important to hire a knowledgeable criminal defense attorney to defend you against criminal charges. Crimes of violence include murder, homicide, assault, rape, child molestation, battery, and other crimes. You face severe criminal penalties if convicted of these charges. In order to protect your rights, it is wise to hire one of our attorneys.


Reading Joe Tacopina's bio and his firms areas of specialty I find this:

Joe Tacopina's bio


Criminal Litigation The Law Offices of Tacopina Seigel & Turano, P.C. has extensive experience defending the rights of individuals during every stage of criminal investigations and prosecutions conducted by federal and state authorities. Our firm’s criminal practice broadly embraces all types of misdemeanor and felony offenses, ranging from simple assaults to complex frauds


Civil Litigation The Law Offices of Tacopina Seigel & Turano, P.C.’s civil practice provides legal representation to plaintiffs in federal and state personal injury and civil rights litigation. Whether seeking to obtain or prevent an award of damages for legal wrongdoing such as wrongful death, negligence, discrimination, or other such charges, our firm devotes every effort to insure that its clients’ rights are protected and advanced to the fullest extent of the law.


To me, both of these lawyers sound pretty even in terms of their specialties. There were several posts many pages ago expounding the virtues of Short and saying what a shady dirty lawyer Tacopina is because of the types of cases he takes. Doesn't Short take those same cases? Is it just because Tacopina is more in the spotlight...or what is the difference people are seeing between these two lawyers?

I have no knowledge of either lawyer prior to this case, so never got into the argument about who was more virtuous or moral...was just now reading their bios

Michelle



posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by Michelle129th


I agree. I never got into the discussion on why which lawyer was chosen over the other. This is the first time I have looked at their bio's as well. It is interesting.

IWOH



posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by Dav1d
What about the flipside here?
She is "national" and only 200 extra calls, and 60 didn't even talk? Does that say something also?


Maybe their phones had restricted service from non payment?

/end sarcasm



posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 10:55 PM
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If you want to talk about shady dirty lawyers I give you:


The US Supreme Court on Monday dismissed a case over whether prosecutors who knowingly procure false testimony that leads to a wrongful conviction can later be sued for damages. The two innocent men, Terry Harrington and Curtis McGhee, had spent nearly 26 years in prison for a murder they didn’t commit. After the truth was discovered and they were released, they sued the prosecutors in Pottawattamie County, Iowa. An investigation revealed that the prosecutors helped assemble and present false testimony that led to their convictions. Messrs. Harrington and McGhee had been sentenced to life in prison at hard labor with no possibility of parole. The prosecutors fought the civil lawsuit, arguing that they were entitled to absolute immunity from such litigation for actions taken at trial. www.csmonitor.com...


So if you are a prosecutor and you KNOWINGLY procure false testimony, that leads to a wrongful conviction you are protected by the law!


The case presented an important issue in the criminal justice system: To what extent can prosecutors be held responsible for violating the constitutional rights of defendants when they send innocent individuals to prison?

The Obama administration had urged the high court to side with the prosecutors out of concern that a ruling for the innocent defendants might make prosecutors reluctant to aggressively enforce the law.

Attorneys general from 27 states and the District of Columbia filed a friend of the court brief urging the high court to embrace a broad view of immunity for prosecutors.




In Imbler, the Supreme Court determined that a prosecutor who knowingly uses false testimony and withholds exculpatory evidence is immune from damages, even in cases where his misdeeds result in a wrongful conviction. The Court determined that subjecting prosecutors to the possibility of such suits would affect their judgment in determining what cases to bring. In another case involving a falsely convicted man attempting to bring a lawsuit, the Court extended absolute immunity to include district attorneys who poorly supervise their subordinates.
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Imagine that, being accountable for ones action, is a bad idea for prosecutors...
Being accountable just might effect which suits they filed...
But don't take my word for it, Google it.

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posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 02:40 AM
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This is a tragic story, but lets not forget that there is a kidnapping everyday in the US. About 2-3 average per day in Mexico(scary considering Mexico has 1/3 the population of the US). Not trying to downplay this story, but there are many tragic stories like this that happen all of the time the don't get picked up in the media, but those people should still be remembered in our hearts. Oh, when was the last time you heard about a missing black girl?


Agreed. It's sad. But, for one reason or another Lisa just caught my heart.

On an interesting extremely sad side note?

See the thread below.

Note when it was posted. And still not one response. Not one.

Police Search for Missing Arizona Girl Jahessye Shockley

peace

edit on 20-11-2011 by silo13 because: link fix



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 02:44 AM
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And now this teen stating a woman questioned him...perhaps Short? I don't know if there are any women on the legal team currently...unless they are assistants to Picerno.

I read an article about this yesterday. It does indicate Short interviewed her. I'll go through my history and see if I can find it. I'm pretty sure it was her. I'll post info if I find it.

peace



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 04:02 AM
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Tell me you didn't know this was coming.
No wait, don't tell me, lol.

$300 Baby Lisa kidnap rumor denied by teen who supposedly implicated handyman in disappearance


A teen located by the NBC Action News Investigators denies ever saying a neighborhood handyman "bragged" about a $300 payday for kidnapping Baby Lisa Irwin.

Anyway, the teen who supposedly accused Jersey of 'bragging' he stole Lisa for $300 bucks? Her information was twisted. What she said:


"I told someone, I was like (expletive), Jersey was the kind of person where you could say here, here’s $300, take care of this baby, and he would have done it," he said. "That’s all I’ve said. I haven’t seen Jersey since weeks before all this happened actually."


gawd...



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 06:47 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 07:30 AM
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Agreed. It's sad. But, for one reason or another Lisa just caught my heart. On an interesting extremely sad side note? See the thread below. Note when it was posted. And still not one response. Not one. Police Search for Missing Arizona Girl Jahessye Shockley peace


I think I can speak for most of us when I say that we care for all missing children..and hope they are found ..and that is why we are on this Lisa thread.

Sometimes people don't want to join in such threads because they don't want to be a part of group throwing rocks and accusations before they know what actually happened... much like what has happened with this Lisa Irwin case.

I would never assume that people don't care about the child because they don't reply to a thread.. maybe it's more about not caring to join in on the accusation game..?

Just a thought..



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 07:40 AM
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Some more info on Kansas City,


According to data released by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Kansas City, as of 2010, is the ninth most dangerous city in the U.S., in terms of crime rates. Also, according to US News, the city's crime rate is three times more than the national average

It goes on to note,


Forte stressed that in the instance of Lisa Irwin, the police had good reasons to not suspect the child's parents.
Source


Interesting, good reason not to suspect, who would have known that, or believe that based on the KCPD actions?



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 07:42 AM
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You mean the irwin lawyers twisted the words.........just like the media has been doing? Perhaps part of the TEAM of lawyers is more PR strategy and less LEGAL strategy ? Hmmmm
Shocking, isn't it ?



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 07:43 AM
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Or maybe its too sad Gab
After Tyler Dasher I felt very much I couldnt' comment anymore or read any more or think about it anymore. It's just sickening what the world has become.



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 07:44 AM
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I've been meaning to ask this and wonder are there 2 KCPD's one for MO and one for KS ? Surely so, but just wondered. I mean they are 2 entirely different towns, correct?



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 07:46 AM
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You mean the irwin lawyers twisted the words.........just like the media has been doing? Perhaps part of the TEAM of lawyers is more PR strategy and less LEGAL strategy ? Hmmmm
Shocking, isn't it ?

As far as I've been able to figure out the 'twist' did come from the 'Brad-Win' camp, but, I've still got to find a link that will point right in their direction and one that posts more than speculation and the response from the Brad-Wins lawyer indicating he's not going to answer due to being on 'vacation'...

I'll keep looking. One site indicates it might have been just overzealous citizens trying to help. But even so, the story should have been verified before Tacopina and his team making all the whoop-law up about 'breaking news' and etc.

peace



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 07:55 AM
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Or maybe its too sad Gab After Tyler Dasher I felt very much I couldn't comment anymore or read any more or think about it anymore. It's just sickening what the world has become.

That's what I was thinking - or trying to convince myself. So soon after the Casey Anthony trial and people are/were just not ready to enter into another painful series of events.

What I didn't want to do was come to the conclusion the lack of attention to the thread was due to the color of the child. But honestly it's hard not to put that 2+2 together. It surely isn't because of 'conflicts within the thread' as some people seem to think (busts out laughing at that bit of faulty reasoning) - there's only two posts in the whole thread and it's all news information and a picture.

So yes, it does seem to indicate even here on ATS 'little white babies' do get a lot more attention, as we know is the fact in national and international news.

But there's a silver lining to that cloud. On one hand some are of a mind that 'too much media attention' is not at all productive to finding a missing infant. If so, I truly hope other little babies missing out there, who don't get the same attention as our Lisa, benefit from that media 'neglect'.

I don't think we'll never know if Lisa's case was 'harmed' by media - too many other factors to cloud that information - like the parents still refusing to speak individually to police after what? 42-43 days now?

peace

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posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 08:00 AM
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Silo, is this the article you are are looking for?
Picerno: Witness claims handyman paid $300 for kidnapping


An attorney for the parents of missing baby Lisa Irwin said Friday that a witness claims a neighborhood handyman was paid $300 to kidnap her.

Kansas City attorney John Picerno said the information has been turned over to the authorities.

Picerno said he, New York attorney Joe Tacopina and private detective Bill Stanton met with the 17-year-old girl Tuesday. Picerno said the girl who claims the handyman bragged about the kidnapping to another man.

The teen said she was with the second man following a vigil for the baby and he claimed the handyman made the claim, Picerno contends.


OiO



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by silo13

So yes, it does seem to indicate even here on ATS 'little white babies' do get a lot more attention, as we know is the fact in national and international news.



That's rubbish. It's pure luck if any scandal, murder, pop star or whatever gets centre stage in the world's media. Good luck if it helps, bad luck if it's getting in the way.




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