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Lisa Irwin - Missing - One Year Later

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posted on Nov, 14 2011 @ 06:58 PM
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Is Mike Thompson a police officer? From a different town ?




posted on Nov, 14 2011 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by schmae
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Is Mike Thompson a police officer? From a different town ?


I **believe** he is the motorcycle guy who saw a man with a baby...



So, Mike Thompson picks out James Brando, (allegedly) who does cellphone wiretaps, and most likely has a few detectives that he knows well from his job. A week into this case Mike Thompson tells the KCPD he saw a man with a baby, at about 4:00am the KCPD doesn't offer to show him any of the people they know are in this case. After this Gil finds him, and talks to him. He shows him some pictures, and Mike Thompson (allegedly) picks out James Brando or so the rumor goes...
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posted on Nov, 14 2011 @ 07:27 PM
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Yes he is. Here again I thought you implied he was a 'buddy' of the cops. My mistake. But if he were a cop, then that would be even weirder.



posted on Nov, 14 2011 @ 07:50 PM
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More signs that the KCPD just ain't worried about actually finding little Lisa! James Brando has a job that would require him to work hand n hand with KCPD, and KCPD drags it's feet. And let's an out of town amateur interview witnesses before they can? Something stinks here.


yes..something does seem a little off...



posted on Nov, 14 2011 @ 08:09 PM
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IMHO When the Feds showed up all communication to the public stopped. We are really right where we started, a missing baby and three cell phones. We have heard about one cell phone but not the other two. Do I remember that DB was programing one of the phones that belonged to someone else? I can't seem to find that info anymore? Were any of the phones ever found?

Again IMHO we are being told nothing! The Feds are letting whoever has the other two/three cell phones run till they can get evidence or hopeing they will turn those phones on or sell on Craigs list. The release they gave about being years to solve is to give whoever all the rope to hang themselves.

This breaks my heart and every other missing child in the world.



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 01:08 AM
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Mother of Baby Lisa's older half brother battles for custody of boy


A court official acknowledged papers were filed on behalf of the boy's mother, Rasleen Raim, at the Clay County Courthouse, but declined to provide details.

"Now, more than ever, she is concerned about her baby’s safety, comfort and peace of mind," Attorney Dorothy Savory said in a statement. "Rasleen misses her son and has always, and will forever, love him."

Raim is the mother of the 8-year-old half brother that was living in the North Lister home.

If Jeremy 'won' the boy in the first place - and the mother hasn't seen him in how long? I learn towards thinking this is just NOT the right thing to do.


Savory said she filed Emergency Motion for Temporary Custody and a Motion to Modify Child Custody/Visitation.

"Mrs. Raim has always kept her son, Blake Irwin, in her thoughts and prayers," Savory said.

Yeah, I'm sure that made a whole huge difference to Blake.

More pain and confusion for the boy. How sad.

peace



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 06:19 AM
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Right more trauma for the boy. A mother he's not seen in years will give him no comfort. It might be nice to see her for a visit, but he's already uprooted from his home and his family torn apart. I personally don't think that boy is in any danger. I do not think Deb killed her child out of cold blood or for money or fo anything like that. I think an accident happened and mayhem followed.

I hope I am right and that Jeremy is a good dad and that this boy's life doesn't get any more tragic

Gotta add Blake to the prayer list.



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 07:10 AM
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This brings up an interesting point that I know has been mentioned before. Regardless of how much some of us may FEEL the parents are involved, isn't the ABSENCE of child services removing the other boys a telling sign? I mean I've seen children be taken from parents over FAR less circumstances. So the idea that the authorities don't deem the boys in any real danger must mean something. No?



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 08:04 AM
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Newest report I could find. The family is moving back into the home...it says Tuesday, so I don't know if that's today or next week. I wonder who gave them this info?

Baby Lisa's Parents To Move Back Into Home Read more: www.kmbc.com...

Also wanted to add that Jersey will be in court today in regards to the charges that originally placed him in custody. I wonder what if anything can/will be learned from that.

Michelle
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posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 08:21 AM
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Interesting article Michelle. I do have to wonder about these words though..


Kansas City police told Gutman that this is one of more than 1,000 tips that they've been investigating. Police said they would like to talk to Dane, but he is not a suspect, describing the significance in this case as minimal. Read more: www.kmbc.com...


The significance is minimal ? he could have answered that call.. and they figure its significance is minimal..in a missing child case..where they have no suspects? Are they trying their hardest to track him?

I'm really starting to wonder more and more what these police see as "significant evidence". There is a child missing !!!



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 08:55 AM
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Right Gabby, if no lead is important, no sightings *(which the news of motorcycles guys tainting is curious) and no phone calls are important, etc etc.. then they MUST think they've got this case locked uptight. If that is the case, why then the DA say it'll take years to solve? If they are wrong and she turns up in some pedophile across the state's house with no connection to family at all, the KCPD will have serious explaining to do. To be a fly on the wall in that police house, you know?

The very fact that Dane knows everyone knows about him and has not come forward to say anything to anyone means its POSSIBLE he could know something important.
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He got a phone call from an IMPORTANT phone. That call either came from the bradwins which is super important or that call came from the phone thieves which is super important as well. Either way he has valuable information.
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posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 09:25 AM
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Right Gabby, if no lead is important, no sightings *(which the news of motorcycles guys tainting is curious) and no phone calls are important, etc etc.. then they MUST think they've got this case locked uptight. If that is the case, why then the DA say it'll take years to solve?


yes...something is not right with this picture..


Its honestly starting to seem like they are suppressing evidence? a few years to find answers ?.. but this guy is not considered significant to the case..


This is not looking good for their police department..unless they are saying those things so they can bring this Dane character out of hiding..thinking he has nothing to fear.

I so badly want to believe the police are doing all they can to find baby Lisa, for the sake of the child, and are choosing to play their cards carefully.. but the evidence so far seems to point to some very biased sloppy detective work, where important leads are being overlooked.

By the way schmae, I'm willing to put what happened yesterday behind us, and look ahead to communicating with you with a better understanding of words and intended meaning behind them.



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 09:51 AM
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Lets bury the hatchet Gab. It was all misunderstanding and poor memory on my part !
So many loose ends and if they got tied up, we'd figure out what's going on ! I think
we're all suffering from a little fatigue when it comes to this case and that's causing MY
fuse to be shorter than normal. It's so frustrating. I can only imagine how those actually
involved must be at the end of their rope.



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 09:57 AM
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There is a pattern starting to emerge here. The police claim to have cleared, over a 1000 leads, but don't yet know where baby Lisa is, what happened to her, when it happened to her, or how she disappeared. Under those conditions, the only people who should be cleared, are people who were in jail that week!  The reports are like so many other things in this case, the KCPD talked to "Dane" and cleared him, but now have new info, and want to reinterview him. That would seem to be indicative that either the KCPD did not do a thorough job on the first interview (clearing someone without enough information), or the KCPD now has information that conflicts with what they were originally told.... 

Did Megan Wright hide "Dane's involvement" giving "Dane" time to flee? If you accept this, one has to wonder how thorough Megan Wright's investigation was.   Did the police even bother to ask the other seven people in the house if the unemployed Megan Wright allowed them unlimited access to her cellphone? 

But the KCPD, claims to want to talk to a man they are not naming...
So the KCPD is once again turning down community involvement, with the attitude of "...we don't need or want your help."
Most police departments, when they can't locate someone, seek community involvement, most don't have an issue with giving the media a current photo (say from Facebook), but of course KCPD doesn't operate that way!

I've talked about this before, but another pattern that is becoming more clear is when the family announces an event the police appear to "stage" a search at the same time. Over the weekend we had baby Lisa's birthday. At the same time the KCPD had to do a search. This after a week of talking about "active searching" and alledgedly no longer searching just to be searching...  In effect putting the media on aleart that any new searching might be very important. When this was announced, many people believe that once again baby Lisa was about to found. It competed with her birthday. So I gave it some time, yet Friday's search appeare's not to be based on a new sighting of Lisa, and it resulted in no new info. Chances are pretty good that the only thing it actually accomplished was to add stress to the family, while taking away just a bit, from her birthday.  A birthday party that had the potential to make baby Lisa, real once again, to cause us to think of her as a child, a one year old, not just a dead baby unwanted by her parents...



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 10:07 AM
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Did Megan Wright hide "Dane's involvement" giving "Dane" time to flee? If you accept this, one has to wonder how thorough Megan Wright's investigation was. Did the police even bother to ask the other seven people in the house if the unemployed Megan Wright allowed them unlimited access to her cellphone?


From the understanding i have of what i did read..her phone was confiscated by the police and they still have it.

She is one player in this I don"t trust at all.. and seems to be covering information.



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 10:50 AM
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Did Megan Wright hide "Dane's involvement" giving "Dane" time to flee? If you accept this, one has to wonder how thorough Megan Wright's investigation was. Did the police even bother to ask the other seven people in the house if the unemployed Megan Wright allowed them unlimited access to her cellphone?


From the understanding i have of what i did read..her phone was confiscated by the police and they still have it.

She is one player in this I don"t trust at all.. and seems to be covering information.


Let me toss out this question, then: Of what possible value could Megan Wright's phone be? A phone that has had it's logs deleted? Both phone companies will have records of just all calls completed and attempted for at least a miminum of the last year. Those records will prove far more damaging than a phone with no logs...
Megan is using a burner phone, and it is very reasonable to assume this is not her first burner phone.
Chances are very good that she has had other numbers, that she has used over the months, and years.

What no one seems to be asking is did Megan buy this phone herself, or was it given to her, perhaps by Dane.
It the phone was given to her, the real person of interest would be the person who set her up with the phone.
My experience is that most people are willing to give up identifiable information in exchange for rebates and reduced rates. Unemployed and she isn't doing everything possible to reduce cost? Just the fact that she has such a phone should make her suspicious. Add to that an unemployed person, who is on food stamps, claims to provide community cellphone service, should raise additional flags! Then add that said community appears to deny that they had such access, and we've got more flags going up. Then add that Megan clears out of the area shortly after the event? That the person she points the finger at has eluded police for weeks, and the police have NO suspects?



What if any relation exist between Megan and SB, has SB's phone ever called Megan? Has Megan ever called SB?



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 11:56 AM
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On the theory that Little Lisa may have been abducted for use in porn;


A New Brunswick man has been sentenced to five years in prison in connection with the largest collection of child pornography ever seized in Canada. Douglas Hugh Stewart, 52, of Moncton earlier pleaded guilty to possessing, accessing and distributing child pornography. He was sentenced Monday to five years for distribution, 4½ years for accessing and 4½ years for possession. The sentences will be served concurrently, starting immediately.


It took police over 700 hours to review his porn, yet he gets just five years! Is this just one more example of how little our children truly mean to us? Or is this just a hint of the 1% who, are protected? Who are special, who actually matter? We are all aware that when certain people go to jail they don't wind up in the same prison we do. Indeed if you understand the difference between jail and prison they often don't really go to jail.



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 12:02 PM
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What if any relation exist between Megan and SB, has SB's phone ever called Megan? Has Megan ever called SB?


Lots of interesting questions that only a few probably have answers to.

Good point about the logs from the phones as well.. police must have a lot more info , and it makes me curious as to how far they have dug into the phone records of all the players involved in this case.

I also find it interesting, that the FBI trapped Meagan into coming to them with the intent to sell stuff they had on some site? What were these people involved in?.. what other things were they selling? To what extremes would some of them go to for money?

..yet Meagan is out there , facebooking , and acting innocent...and I don't buy into it. She may not be guilty of having anything to do with the disappearance of Lisa.. but she knows a lot more than she is pretending to in my opinion...I also think the next door neighbor may have some deeper truths on this whole evening as well...was odd that her husband picked that night to "take a break" from the relationship?

I strongly believe that Jeremy Irwin was talking about Samantha when he said the words about someone who would cheat on their husband..someone who has lost a child.. could be the suspect.

Of course there are those who are convinced that he was talking about Debbie, but anyone with their head on straight who has looked into the background info can easily see he wasn't blaming Debbie, but has his own suspicions about who was behind this. You have to wonder why?

Its really sad for baby Lisa that so many had to jump on his words as if he was talking about baby Lisa's mother. So sad that so many focused and still do on the guilt of the parents, and can't bother to entertain other possibilities, and willfully reject them as possible leads to finding this child.



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 12:58 PM
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I have not read this thread in a couple of weeks.

Are we still convicting the Mother?

Cause, if it turns out she is not guilty.

I wonder if I will be able to find some of you.

Carry on...



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 01:00 PM
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You know what I find interesting about this news...... that it took them over 700 hours. How many police spent 700 hours looking at child porn to produce these charges against him? Why 700 hours ? I would think, were I a cop, and shown some child porn I would turn my head after 2 seconds and say OK I"VE SEEN ENOUGH. Do you see where I'm going with this? Why so many hours and how many cops looked at this? It's disgusting .




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