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Occupy Wall Street Defense to Ignorant Detractors

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posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 09:52 PM
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reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
 


Oh, I've watched my words, perhaps you should have done the same. You see, if you want to have a face to face discussion or even via webcam, I would be open to that. I can't stand arguing on a forum via text. If you want to see a thug, try arguing with someone in the Burmese Army who WILL do the most mind wrenching things to another human simply for giggles. If you think arguing is "thuggery," then maybe you should just take it when Uncle Sam comes wanting to look through you internet history...




posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 09:54 PM
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Now you should read some quotes from Thomas Jefferson. See, I took history class as well.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 09:57 PM
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“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816



“A wise and frugal government… shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.” — Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1801


didnt learn a whole lot did you



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by MegasAlexandros
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
 


Oh, I've watched my words, perhaps you should have done the same. You see, if you want to have a face to face discussion or even via webcam, I would be open to that. I can't stand arguing on a forum via text. If you want to see a thug, try arguing with someone in the Burmese Army who WILL do the most mind wrenching things to another human simply for giggles. If you think arguing is "thuggery," then maybe you should just take it when Uncle Sam comes wanting to look through you internet history...

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I think threatening people with majority rule - and of course, by majority it is understood you mean that OWS crowd and their collectivism - and telling them to fight, surrender, or run away is no doubt and undeniable thuggery. It matters not what kind of thuggery you have witnessed or been through yourself, it does not excuse yours.

Your pathetic "majority", if it is that at all, has no lawful authority to deny or disparage my rights. Your smug disregard for my rights is less than impressive.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 10:00 PM
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Och slayer, tisk tisk, 230 years of work? Do you know how insignificant that is in the grand scheme of things? Just like my life, just like your life, 230 years is merely a blip. Most of our history was a cavemen, we seemed to do fine back then. I wish one of you could present me with an argument I haven't heard. I don't have all the answers, but I sure as hell will try.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 10:04 PM
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And I agreed with both statement... I never said I wanted communism, or socialism, I already made it clear I'm a libertarian I do support business for those who choose to run and work for them, that is their choice. However, Thomas Jefferson did not advocate big business being able to lobby the government and have their hands in a central bank, in fact, I believe he was downright opposed to that.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 10:13 PM
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I'm not telling you what to think. At least you are thinking which is good. This is exactly what I'm talking about! You've fallen into my trap! Se Agapo! Socrates would be proud! We are arguing! That is a good thing! Imagine if we did this as a nation! Sure things would move along slowly, but through argument, we come out with the greatest ideas, I also never said majority rule, I believe things should be run on near consensus. I also never talked about getting rid of the Senate, the Supreme Court, or President, only the House of Representatives, which was to be the voice of the populus anyways! Whew, I thought we were going to get violent for a little bit, but this is why argued with you so vigorously. I think I've proven my point.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by MegasAlexandros
reply to post by SLAYER69
 


That's called running away, I do not RUN. And I said the very same thing you said when I was in fourth grade...


I have a question for you after this post, and all the other comments you have made about your experiences in Burma.

Why aren't you trying to organize an occupy Burma?



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 10:18 PM
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If you've ever been there you'd know you need an Army to change anything in that god forsaken place, and if you do get an Army there, you also need armies to fight Russia, China, and North Korea. I have an AKM and two Ar-15's not sure that constitutes an army...



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by MegasAlexandros
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
 


I'm not telling you what to think. At least you are thinking which is good. This is exactly what I'm talking about! You've fallen into my trap! Se Agapo! Socrates would be proud! We are arguing! That is a good thing! Imagine if we did this as a nation! Sure things would move along slowly, but through argument, we come out with the greatest ideas, I also never said majority rule, I believe things should be run on near consensus. I also never talked about getting rid of the Senate, the Supreme Court, or President, only the House of Representatives, which was to be the voice of the populus anyways! Whew, I thought we were going to get violent for a little bit, but this is why argued with you so vigorously. I think I've proven my point.


If your point was to show people you can back pedal, even then you failed, and I am compelled to holler out to you and warn you about that parked car you are about to smash into because you are not paying attention to where you are pedaling with all this back pedaling.

The only way to accomplish what you are advocating is to discard our current Constitution and start anew. God forbid we let people like you have an opportunity to draft a new and "improved" Constitution. It is hard enough to reign in government from trampling all over my rights when it has been expressly forbidden. I sure don't need approved rights violations.

Socrates would more than likely spit up his hemlock and gag at your poor presentation of the Socratic method, but keep pulling out plums and declaring what a good boy you are, Georgie Porgy.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 10:51 PM
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Sooooo you want to override our Republic and start a Direct Democracy? You drank the Soros Kool Aid.... Sorry



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by MegasAlexandros
reply to post by neo96
 


And I agreed with both statement... I never said I wanted communism, or socialism, I already made it clear I'm a libertarian I do support business for those who choose to run and work for them, that is their choice. However, Thomas Jefferson did not advocate big business being able to lobby the government and have their hands in a central bank, in fact, I believe he was downright opposed to that.


No, Jefferson did not advocate for giant megalithic corporations, but he was a framer of the Constitution, and he advocated a Republic, not a Direct Democracy.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux

Originally posted by MegasAlexandros
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
 


Oh, I've watched my words, perhaps you should have done the same. You see, if you want to have a face to face discussion or even via webcam, I would be open to that. I can't stand arguing on a forum via text. If you want to see a thug, try arguing with someone in the Burmese Army who WILL do the most mind wrenching things to another human simply for giggles. If you think arguing is "thuggery," then maybe you should just take it when Uncle Sam comes wanting to look through you internet history...

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I think threatening people with majority rule - and of course, by majority it is understood you mean that OWS crowd and their collectivism - and telling them to fight, surrender, or run away is no doubt and undeniable thuggery. It matters not what kind of thuggery you have witnessed or been through yourself, it does not excuse yours.

Your pathetic "majority", if it is that at all, has no lawful authority to deny or disparage my rights. Your smug disregard for my rights is less than impressive.



Of course, he would have to get the other 299 million Americans to agree with his Direct Democracy plan to overthrow the Constitution.

Oh wait, I guess he would only need slightly over half that....but hey Soros is workin o/t. When he gives up the ghost his kids will take over where he left off... scary thought.


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posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by MegasAlexandros
And to Jean, really you think I haven't seen mob rule? And you really think that I've never heard the same "Democracy is mob rule" speech that every sixth grader hears? That is ignorant. Truth is, Democracy makes no money! That is why it is drilled into your head to obey the republic and that the masses are too dumb to rule themselves! The founding fathers were not gods! They didn't even all agree on the republican form of government!


I can't speak for Jean but...

This country was founded as and still is a Republic. With a very liberal migration law I might add. If you don't like the country you live in now then move. It's as simple as that. I'm sure there are plenty of countries who would appreciate you for who you are.




Yeh, Venezuela maybe, or Brazil...and he can take Medea Benjamin with him.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by outsidethesquare

2.) Isn't having someone with a 6 figure salary on board a little contradictory? What's he/she fighting for?


I would think he/she is fighting for liberty, no one wants to live under a tyrannical government.

Speculation and greed drive prices up, but our wages stay the same. A man with a $100,000/year income might have obligated himself to a large mortgage or other debt, same as a man who makes $20,000/year; the only difference is one probably has nicer things. What's the problem in that? It's his right to spend the money how much he wants but when our utilities are going up, gas is going up, taxes going up, next thing you know we are all in a financial bind or spending more then we should be.

100% of your tax dollars goes to the interest on our nations debt, why should you give the government your hard earned money on debt they've racked on their own political and financial gains?

Paying my taxes doesn't make me feel patriotic, maybe if I was paying into a system that I had faith in and was proud of, but now it makes me feel enslaved.



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