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When Occupy Wall Streen Accomplishes Nothing - You heard it here first

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posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by smarterthanyou
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The Libs and Socialists and even Communists have hijacked the movement through Soros, and the MSM is focusing on the "shortcomings of Capitalism" along with Mr. $200 million net worth Michael Moore.. But you fail to understand the real problem behind the Obama admin. and the previous Bush admin. along with Clinton and Bush Sr. They are all subservient to the Federal Reserve and the 6 or so Mega banks. JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, CITIGroup, PNC and U.S. Bank, Morgan Stanley and of course, the private Federal Reserve banks accross the country which prop up these banks and loan to the Federal government. They're all responsible for creating these fake derivatives and creating this massive debt crisis, along with the inefficiency of the Federal government itself. So if you want to protest the real problem, its the Private Federal Reserve in charge of printing and lending, in coercion with the Federal government.

The Federal Reserve protests are starting Friday at 6pm CST at the Dallas Federal Reserve, and then Saturday at the Houston Branch at Noon CST, and Sunday the San Antonio Branch from 10am-noon CST. Of course, Friday is the big day to go to your local Federal Reserve and protest. More information can be found here.

www.infowars.com...

Protest the real originator of the problems we face, and do not let the MSM lure you into the false left-right paradigm, the majority of them wish to continue the status quo and give the banks unlimited bailout money until the UN, WTO and the World Bank in cahoots with these mega banks and the Fed Reserve create a global currency, which will be run by the mega banks and the Fed. So get out there and protest! And don't let the police or security tell you otherwise, just remember to stay off the property with cameras, but you can be right on the outskirts or sidewalks. Life, Liberty, Prosperity. RESTORE LIBERTY!

edit: The proof is in the pudding, do your research and you will be surprised what you find about the history of banking in the world, and how central banking originated in this country. JFK was murdered for taking away the Federal Reserve's power to print money, and LBJ returned it as soon as he got into office by default.
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ABSOLUTELY! Fedral Reserve is the problem - but Wall Street aint where you fight it. And this whole "living wage" and "unemployment" stuff are all symptons of the problem.

We need to force our elected officials to begin printing their own money again - and outlaw the Fed Reserve. Every President who's fought them (from Lincoln to Kennedy) has been shot.




posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by gncnew

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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Find me one of these so called "jobs" you say they are creating! You can't because anything you do find is either in fast food or retail.


There are jobs out there - problem is if you've pinned your hopes of getting the SAME job at the SAME pay... you're going to have to change your goals a bit.


So that is the "Change we can believe in" that Obama pitched.

It now all makes sense.



DING DING DING! Tell 'em what he's won Bob!



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 12:50 PM
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there's an occupy the FED tomorrow a bus is going from wall street to join other protesters there. I was watching the live stream today and saw numerous people speaking about the Fed.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by gncnew

Originally posted by PapaKrok
What kind of movement is this? Who is leading it? What is the agenda?

It is a spontaneous civil event, led by everyone with no real agenda.

Have you ever been pushed against a wall by a bully? Was there, in that episode, a moment of absolute clarity where fear and thoughts of injury or ramifications of action faded and all that remained was peace, stillness, suspension of time and absolute awareness of what was going to happen next? Did you feel your fist balled up in anticipation and sense the pending impact of flesh on flesh, bone on bone, the warm, wet feel of spilt blood and bruised tissue? Did you know, unequivocally, that you were about to be the swift and awful instrument of temporal destruction against the agent of your oppression? When you did, did you smile, empowered by the surety of fear, shock and terror your blows would inflict upon him? Then, after all, did you strike?

No more fear. No more horrible anticipation. No more egg-shell walking. No more watching your back and leaping at sounds and shadows.

Stillness.
Peace.
Resolve.

Action.

Years later. Alone. How did your decisions affect you?

Did you strike, knowing that this would be, fundamentally, a pivotal event in your interaction with this bully, and all subsequent bullies fro the rest of your human existence? Or did you allow yourself to be degraded and humiliated, over and over and over…wishing that you had, at that pivotal moment, taken that illogical swing and changed the course of your life?

Are you, by virtue of your past actions / inactions, a victim or are you empowered?
If you chose to endure then, ask yourself this:
“If I could go back and change things, how would things be different?”

The bully is back. In a big, bad way and is pushing us against a wall. Should we wait and sign a petition? Tell the teacher knowing that any and all sanctions against the bully only enrages them more and sets us up for a real thrashing in some back alley? Or do we stand up and give him a shiner and knock out a few teeth, make him more aware of his own actions by reversing roles?

You, the teacher-tellers, the rule junkies, the hall monitors, the arm chair critics, the should-coulda-woulda crowd…. step aside and let the parking lot crew handle this one. We always have. We always will.

As you lie awake in bed at night alone with your thoughts and all of your insecurities and inadequacies, remember that we, the rejects, the freaks, the hippies, the skate punks, the Emos, the Goths, The rockabilly rednecks, etal, are out here slugging it out with the biggest baddest bully the world has ever known because we, collectively, have been pushed around enough.
We just can’t live with ourselves if we don’t blacken an eye or two.

You better hope we win, because if we don’t the bully will be looking for some geeky kid to pick on out of pure hate and aggression, someone that stands apart from the herd and looks scared….that just might be you.


Way too wordy, and way too much metaphor. The "bull" here are people that have wives and kids and employ thousands of others who have wives and kids. Your 401k plan is based upon them and their success or failure.

The bully is in the White House with his buddies in the Capital Building. Political parties don't matter - but I promise this isn't as pure as you are hoping.

This is a political smoke screen for an upcoming election that is very important. This idea that you're fighting the man is laughable, there is no man, it's individuals with desires and dreams just like you... but they have more money so you demonize their desires to make way for your own greed.


I am 44. I am a single, White, Christian, Libertarian, Gun owning, anti-welfare state, employed father of two. I pay taxes. I have a Masters degree. I'm not on welfare, food stamps or public assistance. I had a pretty good 401K until 2008. My employer, for the fourth year in a row, has opted out of cost of living increases, opted into insurance premium increases and crazy OOP expense plans and has just switched me from slary to hourly without notice or regard for contract.

I am attending the OWS meetings and have observed the formation of these groups, their issues and their participants. You have no #ing idea what you are talking about. If you are THAT wrong and biased about who you percieve to be involved in the movement, your opinion is compltely null and void.

Put on your pants, get off your couch and go see for yourself.

As for the use of metaphore....it is aclose to expressing the sentiment of these meetings as I can express in words. It is visceral, not political. Again, you might know that if you actually attempted to gain some direct expereince as opposed to picking it from Glen Beck's soiled underthings.
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edit on 5-10-2011 by PapaKrok because: spelling error



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 12:57 PM
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I have not the slightest idea of your appearance and was not commenting on it. I was commenting on the contestants of the 2012 presidential beauty contest.

You have authored a bait thread, and unfortunately a successful one. The members that are in support of this current movement are mostly young, frustrated and learning as they go. I commend them for any and all efforts they take. After all they are exercising their citizenship in ways that in my mind are so much more important than your military service that you like to boast about.

What ever change comes from their heart felt efforts will in my mind supersede that which you may think you have done with a gun in your hand and marching orders from the corporate elite in your back pocket.


edit on 5-10-2011 by Witness2008 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 01:05 PM
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Debbie Downer alert.

Well good for you, while you sit and do nothing, let these people try and change the world.
Enough with the negativity, reading your posts about all this is absolutely ridiculous. All you do is bitch and moan about how they aren't doing anything, well they are doing a hell of a lot more than you are, eh?



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 01:07 PM
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Thomas Jefferson told us each generation needs a revolution. I must say I agree. The protesters are not going to talk any sense into the greedy monsters that are strangling this country and world, but they are one of the final contributions to the clog that will break the levee of greed and flush those dark powers into the revolutionary recycling bin. Viva la Revolution!



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by Witness2008
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The members that are in support of this current movement are mostly young, frustrated and learning as they go. I commend them for any and all efforts they take. After all they are exercising their citizenship in ways that in my mind are so much more important than your military service that you like to boast about.




So basically a pissed off chicken with its head cut off.

Ah, to be young and full of angst, pointed at a system they helped continue by installing Obama, and buying into the crap peddled by his ilk.


I have said for a while now, revolution is a young man's game.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by CCLLCCLL
reply to post by gncnew
 

Thomas Jefferson told us each generation needs a revolution. I must say I agree. The protesters are not going to talk any sense into the greedy monsters that are strangling this country and world, but they are one of the final contributions to the clog that will break the levee of greed and flush those dark powers into the revolutionary recycling bin. Viva la Revolution!


Oh come on. To suggest that the "Greed" is only with bankers it not only obtuse, but very narrow minded.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by ka119
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Debbie Downer alert.

Well good for you, while you sit and do nothing, let these people try and change the world.
Enough with the negativity, reading your posts about all this is absolutely ridiculous. All you do is bitch and moan about how they aren't doing anything, well they are doing a hell of a lot more than you are, eh?


By doing what?
The person marching in the streets on NY is doing more then a person, whom you know really nothing about and have no knowledge as to what part they are playing?

What a world.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by gncnew

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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Most of America looks no different then Tirkrit and most bombed out cities!


WHAT? What the hell America you live in? I've been in Minnesota, Ohio, Maryland, North Carolina, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Arizona, Texas, Washington DC, Wisconsin, Michigan, both North and South Dakota, California, and Tennessee... even Georgia.

That's a ridiculous statement to make and only shows you're complete ignorance of reality.

Hell, my folks live in Michigan - Detroit is bad, but doesn't look like a "bombed out city"... good grief.


Agreed OP. Goes to show you how fanciful this whole thing is. It may be worth it for taxpayers to give these knuckleads a trip to the Congo to see what actual poverty is like. Heck, take them on a bus to Mexico. In America, our poor people are obese and air-conditioned.

A New Orleans kid here. Even after Katrina, N.O. was a pleasant place of comfort in comparison with most of the planet. And it was no picnic for the first 2 years or so, believe me. While it's true that the city has received tons of federal money for rebuilding in the last few years, the rebirth of the city had nothing to do with FEMA dollars. FEMA rebuilding $ didn't kick in for almost four years after the storm. What saved the city and the region was the blood, sweat, hard work of MOST of the citizens, and the support that we gave to each other and the sacrifices we made in those years. It sucked, flat out sucked, believe me. But eventually things began looking up. Small businesses began thriving like never before, at least not in the last 50-60 years.

Then, after we turned the corner and reworked our foundation to a good degree, the feds come in and start building "mixed income housing" and offering grants for slumlords to raise and rebuild. More and more, it appears the rabble may be making a comeback. And before you make my comments racial, NO is still a black majority city. That never changed. It was black and white - and the new element of Mexican blood - that saved the city. And of course, after we make it nice again, the neo-hippies and hipsters start pouring in and trying to tell us how we need to become more like them and working for "social change". Then they get pissy when we make fun of them for thinking they "are New Orleens" when they have no concept of what that is.

1 important thing I learned from my Katrina experiences. Large government entities are usually ineffective at best, completely destructive at worst. When the citizenry do for themselves, support each other, and reward hard work, the need for government intervention is minimal. Without a large government there is nowhere for global corporations and banks to gain the leverage they need to control things. Large government and global banking/corp establishment are sworn blood brothers. Go do some basic history research. I'm beginning to wonder just who the shills are here.

Now that all is (mostly) said and done in NO, I can say that there are some things that received FEMA funding that have helped the city. There are always some exceptions. But much of it was unnecessary and after the fact. It did provide jobs for a while, but depending on soulless government for jobs is no different than depending on soulless corps for jobs.

The only hope for freedom is through a genuine free market. Not one dominated and influenced by the Fed and the Mega banks. But one dominated by decentralized small markets. It may be as fanciful a notion at this point as the OWS hypocrites (not really THAT farfetched actually), but it is a far better future than some collectivist hive society where everyone is equal and the hard work of individuals becomes the reward for the leeches. And if you disagree with them, you will be threatened with swinging from a lamppost.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by gncnew

You have to believe one of two truths here:

A. There are so few protestors that donated cookies and food is enough to feed them all
B. There are so many protestors that the donated food area is but a tiny fraction of what's actually being consumed.


I make no assumption nor do I 'have to believe' either one. My post was in response to another poster who was asking about food. There, in my response, was part of the answer. Another part is in my post as well where I stated that I am sure some are patronizing local eateries and what not and yet another part would just be common sense... if you are going to stay there for any length of time take your own food stuffs and things you may need like a sleeping bag or chair.


You can't logically assume that donated food is enough to feed large masses of people.
I don't believe I even hinted at that assumption of yours. I direct you to my statements above.


And what about their bathroom needs? The logistics of hosting the amount of people that we're being told is there is staggering if they're really being as self-sufficient as you'd like to believe.

If you are so concerned about their bathroom needs, go look it up yourself. It was not in the post I was responding to, nor is it really any of my concern. The fact we are not hearing any complaints as to smell means they are managing very well.


And when was it suddenly ok to trust the MSM's stories?

This one had me laughing out loud, literally. Would it have been more believable if the clip had come from Alex Jones, Steve Quayle, Federal Jack or Sasha Faal??



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr
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there's an occupy the FED tomorrow a bus is going from wall street to join other protesters there. I was watching the live stream today and saw numerous people speaking about the Fed.


NOW THAT makes me happy.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 01:19 PM
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here's how protests work -

I am black I want rights, I am white and I say no.

I am black and I am going to march for my rights, I am white and this is entertaining.

I am black and I will gather together with other blacks into groups to fight for my rights, i am white and now your militant terrorists.

I am black and your going to have to look over your shoulder everywhere you go, I am white ok here is your rights.

The one who wins any debate is the one who tops his competition. If you are going to fight the establishment and win you have to be willing to go farther than they will and it should be obvious that short or civil war or armed revolution major changes will never come.

People at the heads of these banks will call the police and let them handle it for them under rule of law.

You can't fight that with picket signs - ask people who protested nuclear testing or Vietnam or civil rights right up until the military had to be called in.

Or all of these Muslim countries that were oppressed for decades until they finally realized there is a price to be payed for change and it's not in markers and cardboard.
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posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 01:23 PM
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So you know the political leanings of the protesters. Wow...impressive military mind you have.

If you were to look back into history you would know that revolution is not a young mans game, but a demand for justice and change from all ages, but only one socioeconomic class, the majority.

Your condescension does not serve your argument.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 01:25 PM
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"OccupyWallStreet's" main goal is to get Obama re-elected. Regardless about everything else they are protesting against, "OccupyWallStreet's" over all existence is to help the Democrats win in 2012. Period.

Do you know what they will get for their effort? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Even though they may have the ability to get him back into office, they will get nothing in return for their efforts.

"OccupyWallStreet" is a tool for the Democrat party.

Nothing will change their fate.

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posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by PapaKrok
I am 44. I am a single, White, Christian, Libertarian, Gun owning, anti-welfare state, employed father of two. I pay taxes. I have a Masters degree. I'm not on welfare, food stamps or public assistance. I had a pretty good 401K until 2008. My employer, for the fourth year in a row, has opted out of cost of living increases, opted into insurance premium increases and crazy OOP expense plans and has just switched me from slary to hourly without notice or regard for contract.

I am attending the OWS meetings and have observed the formation of these groups, their issues and their participants. You have no #ing idea what you are talking about. If you are THAT wrong and biased about who you percieve to be involved in the movement, your opinion is compltely null and void.

Put on your pants, get off your couch and go see for yourself.

As for the use of metaphore....it is aclose to expressing the sentiment of these meetings as I can express in words. It is visceral, not political. Again, you might know that if you actually attempted to gain some direct expereince as opposed to picking it from Glen Beck's soiled underthings.
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Look, I believe you believe what you're saying. You're slightly older than me, and I'm glad you have a masters, I've only got a BS (I love that double meaning...). But your employer is cutting out COL increases and moving hourly pay to save your job.

It's either that or fire you. I'd guess that the industry you are in probably is suffering like many of them are right now.

I know it sounds sexy to think that the executives are hoarding the wealth - but the bottom line is that when a business starts to struggle, the low hanging fruit is the first thing to go.

Publicly held businesses (the kind your 401k is based on) are the worst about this because all those pesky shareholders (like you with your 401k) demand a consistent level of payout - regardless of the economic situation. So the companies look at what they can cut first - what "non-essentials" are easiest to get rid of while maintaining the same level of output.

If you're job isn't crucial to the work process, or if someone else can do your job in conjuction with their own - you will get laid off.

It's not evil greed - it's a fact of life. Hell, look at it this way - when you downgraded your cell phone plan to save money - you just cost someone their job.... Way to Go Bully! extra DIV



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by redrose123
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Can't never did do nothing. It is always easy to complain and denounce people while sitting from the comforts of home. The only reason nothing would get done is because of too many people who have an attitude no matter what one does it is wrong.


lol. liberals acting like parents. like, if you're sitting at home and you see propaganda on tv you
can't comment on it or criticize it because "people are doing something out there and you're
sitting at home being a keyboard warrior".

lol.

you silly liberals, no wonder "dylan" from msnbc is "with you". 'cause it's fake.
both him and the protest. keyboard warrior #3784647238 over and out. peace.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 01:26 PM
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Soldier you do not have the clearances to know what I know. Your what? Still a lonely E Tier?



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by Witness2008
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I have not the slightest idea of your appearance and was not commenting on it. I was commenting on the contestants of the 2012 presidential beauty contest.

You have authored a bait thread, and unfortunately a successful one. The members that are in support of this current movement are mostly young, frustrated and learning as they go. I commend them for any and all efforts they take. After all they are exercising their citizenship in ways that in my mind are so much more important than your military service that you like to boast about.

What ever change comes from their heart felt efforts will in my mind supersede that which you may think you have done with a gum in your hand and marching orders from the corporate elite in your back pocket.



I've never boasted about my service. I don't think I was anything more than a very small part in a very large machine. I'm glad you are qualified to place value on the varying methods of public service... I'm sure not.

Also, you think the current crop of Republican hopefuls is attractive? Ewwwww.....

Lastly - good intentions and $1.10 will get you a large sweet tea at McDonalds. Results matter, not intentions - intentions without results just make you sleep better.



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