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When Occupy Wall Streen Accomplishes Nothing - You heard it here first

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posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 07:20 AM
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reply to post by gncnew
 

You have good valid points, for which i feel the same. Althought i'm NOT against the occupation, for i see it as a step toward something useful; An opportunity to unite as one voice..... Please could u make recommendations along with the critiques, which i considered constructive ones




posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 07:21 AM
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lol this is the same guy OP spreading his shill fear storm all over forums. I really hope when the financial system crumbles you have all your assets in the bank when it does. Your post that day is going to be epic. I will bookmark it. Save it and read it on my kindle everyday when I take a #.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 07:36 AM
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Congressman Dennis Kucinich "Your Presence IS making a difference"




This is beyond a republican/democrat issue this is about the further concentration of wealth at the control of Wall St. and how they have taken the Bailouts and not used the money for it's intended purpose.

Here's Congressman Dennis Kucinich's response to the Wall St. protestors...




posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
Op's last three threads are basically bashing on Occupy Wall St.

(Second Line)

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And in that last one, you Full On Straw-manned their position, by posting an incorrect link to a set of false demands, claiming that those outlandish demands were Theirs....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And you ridiculed the people who were correcting you.



Hey OP, Are you being Paid to Post on AboveTopSecret?
edit on 4-10-2011 by ErtaiNaGia because: (no reason given)


Back at work with a free moment to actually discuss - First things first:
I'm glad you looked at my last 3 threads, did you look any further? You may notice that I'm pretty much all over the map, so your assumption that I'm "PAID" to post here falls flat there.

Secondly, who on earth would be paying me to post here? No one is taking this crap serious...

You do realize that in other parts of the world people get shot for political protests right? No one is really thinking they're going to have to take action because neo-hippies are drinking up all the coffee in NYC.

Lastly, ... well, never mind.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by MrKnoxx
lol this is the same guy OP spreading his shill fear storm all over forums. I really hope when the financial system crumbles you have all your assets in the bank when it does. Your post that day is going to be epic. I will bookmark it. Save it and read it on my kindle everyday when I take a #.


If the financial system crumbles, you won't have an internet to read anything on your kindle that will have run out of power because the electricity is shut off.

You fruit cakes really just don't get it do you?



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by shortypop
reply to post by gncnew
 

You have good valid points, for which i feel the same. Althought i'm NOT against the occupation, for i see it as a step toward something useful; An opportunity to unite as one voice..... Please could u make recommendations along with the critiques, which i considered constructive ones


You're absolutely right, I should do more than just complain.

My first recommendation is that they quit supporting the mega giant corporations. If you want to protest off-shoring, then buy American built products only. The tough part is you have to give up the things you like.

You'd need to let go of the iPhone and Macbook. You'd have to probably build your own home PC and then put Linux or something on it.

A real "Protest" of corporate America hits them in their wallets, not the TV screens.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by MyMindIsMyOwn
reply to post by Phantom28804
 


I can answer that, actually. While it may be that some are patronizing sandwich shops and what not, they actually have a setup that serves as a canteen type area. All food there is free to protesters and is..shocker now hope you are sitting down... donated. According to a news article I saw last night this even includes several dozen cookies baked by hand by a grandma from Idaho who could not make the rally and did what she thought she could to show her support.... she baked. I imagine that this is not the only person to have thought to do this either. But at any rate here is a link to the video showed last night on ABC Evening News. If you click the link, go to the video story entitled "Occupy Wall Street Protests Spread" by using the up or down arrow,

ABC Evening News Story 10/3/2011


You have to believe one of two truths here:

A. There are so few protestors that donated cookies and food is enough to feed them all
B. There are so many protestors that the donated food area is but a tiny fraction of what's actually being consumed.

You can't logically assume that donated food is enough to feed large masses of people. And what about their bathroom needs? The logistics of hosting the amount of people that we're being told is there is staggering if they're really being as self-sufficient as you'd like to believe.

And when was it suddenly ok to trust the MSM's stories?



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by Resonant

Originally posted by Phantom28804
reply to post by Witness2008
 


Your post actually does present a unique question and something that had previously not occurred to me. How many of these kids protesting in NY came in with nothing.or something they grew at home etc vs how many of them went out and spent money at a local coffee or sandwich shop on the way to the rally. In other words how many of them supported capitalism while protesting it?


I would say that you make a point, but then again, what exactly do you expect? Are you asking them to simply not live? Ultimately, this is about the freedom of doing what one wants to do and not be told what one has to do. You can play your part in the system, and the system feeds you what it chooses to feed you. This is a choice. However, what happens when the choice disappears? What happens when the doors close and you're left outside in the cold? What happens when you're tired of what the machine is feeding you, or when your place as a cog in a series of many other cogs is spit out? You still have to play by the rules of the system even when you are not being provided by the system, and this is what this is. This is unemployment and underemployment and people earning wages that simply can not cover expenses. If the machine can not provide, then the machine must be rebuilt or repaired or destroyed. Our system no longer works. Our system is in disrepair; it is beyond repair. The more it breaks down, the more unrest you will see. You might be safe now – your wheel might still be spinning – but how long do you have until your purpose, or that of your family's or friend's, begins to disappear?


This is the real crux... you can't protest something you depend on to live... it's not feasible and it's ideologically unsound.

This whole thing is mush mind gathering to keep political attention and blame away from where it belongs.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by Elieser
reply to post by gncnew
 


Fine OP, you win. We will stop protesting, we will take this laying down like we always have. We won't protest when they give our money away to corporations when they fail. We will stay home and do our hippie kid things and complain on blogs in the INTERNET. How dare we try and change this perfect system that is trying so hard to help America prosper?


We? Are you there? Or just an Internet hero for them?

Change for the sake of change is not a good thing - there needs to be the better alternative, not pie in the sky dream time of what paradise could be like.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by Elieser
Unfortunately my money is taken away in the form of taxes. If I decide that I do not want to pay the taxes that fund what ever moral or immoral operation that the government is doing, I would be considered a criminal and would go to jail or worse.
My money pays to fund operations that sell weapons to Mexican gangs that use those weapons to kill theirs and our people and I have no say in it.
I am desperate and have seen that no matter who I vote for, they do the same thing that the previous person in power did, letters and emails to my representatives accomplish nothing. I decide to take the streets and show them that I am a real person and that I am tired of this game that they are playing with my life, my money and our country. I decide that I had enough and that they have to give me an answer or simply acknowledge that I exist.
I go out and join people that have the same desire of changing what is wrong. They ignore us at first, but we are many, now they hear us, we might not all agree on what is our goal because there are just so many things that are wrong but at least we are all together trying to do something to change these situations.

Those of you that oppose us, If you like to lay down and take it, why don't you move to a country that does just that and let us turn America back to what it was supposed to be.
America was supposed to be the land of the free, with a government that was for the people by the people and some how it turned in to one of those nations who's government does as it wishes, to please themselves and their own agenda while stomping on everyone else.
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Cop out... Government takes your taxes, go protest DC, not NYC.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
To attack this movement means the op is severely misinformed and is apart of The 99% Group. This group is fighting for America, for freedom and for democracy.

The fact it continues to grow and any movement that continues to grow must be accomplishing something means that the momentum behind it ain't going anywhere anytime soon.

Stop being a shill and protecting your corporate and bank overlords and start backing your fellow Americans.

Either get behind the movement or get out of it's way!
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just because you're protesting the top 1% DOES NOT MEAN the other 99% support you... bad assumption there.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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Stop pushing and towing the line of the banks. It makes your counter appear less credible.

The banks and corporations are a greater threat to democracies then standing armies ever will.


Stop pushing and towing the line of the American Communist party, it makes you look less creditable.

Be Free Thinker instead of a mush-head.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:50 AM
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posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by Shaade
reply to post by gncnew
 


Its so easy to ridicule others when sitting behind your keyboard, at least they have the guts to at least try to make a difference and in that attempt, I support them 100%
so please quit being such an obvious corporate shill.


The guts? It doesn't take guts to get out there, it takes lots and lots of free time and a complete lack of responsibilities that keep you at work.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by Cosmic4life
reply to post by gncnew
 


Geez how many OWS threads are you going to write...

This is your third that i can see on recent posts, all saying the same thing.

Get it off your chest and put it away mate.

So who do you work for ? J.P.M. or Goldman ?

Cosmic...


It's current news, and there is an obvious need for the other side of the argument here - too many of you are foolish ideologues that think this is actually an effective way to get change that would do the world good.

And certain things just really piss me off and grind my gears. This is one them. I'm sick of seeing energy and focus being poured down the drain to protect political movements and icons (Obama) while the real problem is swept under the rug and ignored.

This is like the pigs protesting the slaughter, while standing in line at the butcher.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by KevinB

Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
Op's last three threads are basically bashing on Occupy Wall St.

(Second Line)

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And in that last one, you Full On Straw-manned their position, by posting an incorrect link to a set of false demands, claiming that those outlandish demands were Theirs....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And you ridiculed the people who were correcting you.



Hey OP, Are you being Paid to Post on AboveTopSecret?
edit on 4-10-2011 by ErtaiNaGia because: (no reason given)


Busted. Love it


Busted? What the hell are you talking about? I've posted 3 threads about this so it must be disinfo?

OR maybe because it's something that matters to me...

Don't be a tool.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by hadriana
It started all of a sudden- did someone somewhere get together and say "This is how we'll attack this thing? We'll call them kids, hippies, far left - we'll marginalize them and try to keep the older and more mainstream people from joining them."

Because then the media started up "It's pro-Obama!" "It's a new radical left!" "It's a George Soros group!" And that is the same time the crap started on this board.

You can have a diverse crowd and if you only show people that are 24 and black, you might present them as being a 20 something black movement. You neglected to show the other colors of the rainbow and ages of aquarius standing out there...

Media paints the picture they want you to see. Last night on fox, they said "Here them chanting 'Take the bridge" and they showed the crowd chanting, but guess what? They were NOT chanting take the bridge..if you listened.
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Diverse is pushing it I think... and look - all I'm saying in this thread is that you heard it here first. This is nothing more than a nice distraction for Obama and a good "get out the vote" campaign.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 08:58 AM
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When Occupy Wall Street, rapidly becoming Occupy the Earth, finally makes a huge change, all you doom junkie keyboard warriors better not pretend you were involved after the fact. You're cowards.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 09:01 AM
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Originally posted by quedup
Now there is support for you - how encouraging! So what do YOU propose people do? I take it from your stance on this that you are employed at the moment and don't have any immediate worries or concerns.

Hope it doesn't change for you because you just might have to pluck up some courage and go join the protesters but hey you will be more understanding by then!

If you are already unemployed then you really are Alice in Wonderland and need to accept that though it's a bit late - something has to be done and as nobody else is doing anything then feet on the street just might.

I say good luck to them - the American people are going to find out what it's like to go really hungry. Obesity will be a thing of the past - you watch. Perhaps when your belly is empty you will think of the way forward.


Again, this isn't courage. It's lack of more important things like a job and a family that allow people to go play.

Courage is to drop your cell phone plan, get rid of the Apple products, start growing your own food... but this... not courage at all.

Now, yes I'm employed - but I'm hardly worry free. I've got a 14 year old who's 4 years from college. I've got no college fund stored up for him, so I'm worried about how I'm going to send him to school.

I've got a 10 year old who will follow him up as soon as the oldest graduates. So I'm looking at pretty much 12 more years of serious financial obligations that worry me a great deal.

But I also realize that I'm the master of my fate (well, actually God is, but...) and if I need a job because I'm laid off - I'll work 3 minimum wage jobs before I sit on my ass and hope the Government fixes my problems.

I'll also work those 3 jobs before I start wanting to tear down the rich because I've got it bad.

I'm blessed to live in a nation where working 3 jobs is an OPTION. Many other countries don't have that option at all - because they've got NO RICH PEOPLE to create jobs.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by megabytz

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by gncnew
 

Actually, I called it when I said it was, "The day of mild annoyance"
www.abovetopsecret.com...

But I do agree.


That is funny.That is what many say about the teabagger rallies.

The tea party will eventually go the way of The Know Nothings.

It isn't a mild annoyance to the overwhelming amount of Americans who agree that the rich need to pay more taxes and the tremendous wealth divide that is creating two types of people, poor and rich, needs to be rectified.

LINK

Or do you support the redistribution of wealth towards concentration of wealth?


Actually, the teaparty rallies have had a huge impact on the path of the Republican party. But that's what they were intended to do - demonstrate to their political party that they wanted change in the way it did business.

But this protest has no power because the people/things they are protesting don't depend on them for their operation and power base.

Apples and Oranges.



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