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Originally posted by gncnew
Originally posted by PapaKrok
I am 44. I am a single, White, Christian, Libertarian, Gun owning, anti-welfare state, employed father of two. I pay taxes. I have a Masters degree. I'm not on welfare, food stamps or public assistance. I had a pretty good 401K until 2008. My employer, for the fourth year in a row, has opted out of cost of living increases, opted into insurance premium increases and crazy OOP expense plans and has just switched me from slary to hourly without notice or regard for contract.
I am attending the OWS meetings and have observed the formation of these groups, their issues and their participants. You have no #ing idea what you are talking about. If you are THAT wrong and biased about who you percieve to be involved in the movement, your opinion is compltely null and void.
Put on your pants, get off your couch and go see for yourself.
As for the use of metaphore....it is aclose to expressing the sentiment of these meetings as I can express in words. It is visceral, not political. Again, you might know that if you actually attempted to gain some direct expereince as opposed to picking it from Glen Beck's soiled underthings.edit on 5-10-2011 by PapaKrok because: More anger added
Look, I believe you believe what you're saying. You're slightly older than me, and I'm glad you have a masters, I've only got a BS (I love that double meaning...). But your employer is cutting out COL increases and moving hourly pay to save your job.
It's either that or fire you. I'd guess that the industry you are in probably is suffering like many of them are right now.
I know it sounds sexy to think that the executives are hoarding the wealth - but the bottom line is that when a business starts to struggle, the low hanging fruit is the first thing to go.
Publicly held businesses (the kind your 401k is based on) are the worst about this because all those pesky shareholders (like you with your 401k) demand a consistent level of payout - regardless of the economic situation. So the companies look at what they can cut first - what "non-essentials" are easiest to get rid of while maintaining the same level of output.
If you're job isn't crucial to the work process, or if someone else can do your job in conjuction with their own - you will get laid off.
It's not evil greed - it's a fact of life. Hell, look at it this way - when you downgraded your cell phone plan to save money - you just cost someone their job.... Way to Go Bully!
I work in the penal system in mental health. I understand what has happened in my state and it is being investigated as seroius misappropriation of funds. The fat cats ARE in this circumstance, sitting pretty. Some are twice retired and still working as "consultants" with half a million dollar salaries while they displace the mentally ill onto the streets and into your backyard. The jails are overflowing here and the budget has just been cut by 6-8%, while the cost ove benefits has risen as well. Law enforcement is struggling here. Is that non essential enough for you? I know, I am familiar with these people. Some have created corporate entities as subsidiaries and contracted out work to themselves at increadibly inflated rates, using the metally ill and cap Medicaid as funding. It criminal. that is part of what we are yelling about locally...eight people pulling strings in the state mental health system has cost over 500 people and 10000 clients everything...they are even opening up "non profit international corps in Carson Nevada in a giant historical mansion as a way to funnel money away from prying eyes.
Do you know that the police do intense sweeps of the uptown business districts before every major publicity event here in Utah so that we look good to outsiders? They clean up the rabble and drop them on the jail steps. Most of these are mentally ill and on some kind of med, which gets discontinued durring incarceration because there isnt a lot of money for treatment. They go from eccentric to crazy in about two weeks....
I'm all for letting them run around bat ass crazy, I actually think that is better for them than incarceration or "welfare" treatment. I don't care if they sleep on my lawn or knock on my door for food. The wealthy districts and East end areas, however, have a total # fit. It uglies up the neighborhood. It reminds them of the financial gap between people and makes them uncomfortable, so we keep them out of view. We are arresting people just long enough that they lose their jobs, relationships, homes and vehicles...over some pretty stupid things, like drug possession and public urination. They are turned out without options and, well, are hungry and tired. So they go to someones car, or back yard and steal things to get something to eat or to drug up and numb out to the total hell they are living in. this is the world I live in every day. I live among them because I choose to work in a career that actually tries to make a difference in this world instead of a paycheck. You sound like you may actually have read about this world in US News or Business Weekly...
Most people onthis planet are paycheck to paycheck or are freaking out trying to pay the bilss and the solution is "cut out cable and internet" or "get a new phone". You are pretty damn far removed my friend. But we are coming, so just sit back smugly and pretent that we are a bunch of smelly hippies that will lose interest in a week. That works for us. Just keep living apart and in your own world.
The gap is increasing and those falling into it are doing so in increasing numbers. As history bears out, when the disaffected become the majority and food and shelter become scarce, revolution is in the wind. That is what is happening here, not your pretent war of ideologies. Its all about food and shelter. Thats the unifying structure, thats what will drive this movement. Every successful revolution in history has always had this componant at its core. Watch out for this one, better bar your door if you live in any way that even resembles upper class. Its coming to a town near you this week.
What you are seeing is the beginning of a resource war. Its about food and shelter. Not cell phone plans.
edit on 5-10-2011 by PapaKrok because: (no reason given)extra DIV
Originally posted by rancher1
reply to post by MrXYZ
Hey I'm a conservative and I can't believe this.. RUSH was saying today that the Banks are victim's they they did nothing wrong that they are fair in putting 5 day holds on your check that clears the same day.. its ok for them to raise your fee's Boy Rush must be on the cotton again... He is a disgrace to every real Jefferson conservative.. poor guy he should get in to rehab fast.... Bankers Victim's WTF!!!