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When Occupy Wall Streen Accomplishes Nothing - You heard it here first

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posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by illuminatislave
reply to post by gimme_some_truth
 


All of the people that run around screaming "durr what r they protesting" are either dishonest, or incredibly, incredibly oblivious to what is going on right now.

More than likely, they're just establishment shills, not wanting to rattle their cage. Cowardly bastards eh?


More and more with the attacks on anyone not in lockstep.

Here's my viewpoint: It's likely that things will fall apart to a degree. It will have nothing to do with Wall Street or any other protests. it has to do with the lack of sustainability created by a globally centralized system.
The rhetoric I'm hearing from OWS, and have yet to verify differently, is that they would like the new order to be one consisting of a very large, centralized, nanny state.
I find that to be morally disgusting and impossible on a practical level because it is logically inconsistent.

So for someone to call me a traitor or a shill for honestly disagreeing with a cause I find to be destructive at a moment in my nation's history that it may be vulnerable is a bit much. It certainly makes me question the intelligence, rationality, and temperment of the cause. As someone pointed out (in defense of OWS I might add), the feeling there is "visceral". I am tending to agree. All destructive authoritarian regimes have been birthed by such movements, or at least most of the last 200 years. And usually with the support of "the people" who were led to believe they were fighting an elitist system when they were just placing themselves into another, sometimes more intense, form of slavery.

The American Revolution was molded and directed by rational thinkers and producers in society. They eventually sculpted the greatest document in history. With reason. Nothing "visceral".

What I see with OWS is half baked nonsense selling itself as "the people" or the "99%", but if more than that, it is potentially a greater threat than the banks.

I'm glad I live in the South. If the Ayn Rand scenario plays out, it will be much better down here.




posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by radosta


More and more with the attacks on anyone not in lockstep.



This is just the beginning if you think what I said to you is bad. Anyone who stands with the status quo will not be met with smiles and kisses, so prepare your sensitive outer shell.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 02:37 PM
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Yet another tactical mistake. Since you "know" who is backing and participating in this movement, perhaps you can prove it.

Mind readers...there a dime a dozen on ATS.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 02:40 PM
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in what way do you think it helps to bash on a protest movement? At least SOMETHING is happening! If you don't like it start your own protest movement instead of complaining about the one already in motion, complaining does nothing to help it just discourages everyone..



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by illuminatislave

Originally posted by radosta


More and more with the attacks on anyone not in lockstep.



This is just the beginning if you think what I said to you is bad. Anyone who stands with the status quo will not be met with smiles and kisses, so prepare your sensitive outer shell.



Nothing sensitive here, big guy.
You make me laugh, though.

I prefer to be left alone and return that favor to others.

But if any Che wannabes come a knockin, you better believe this Good Ole Loosiana boy has taken advantage of his 2nd Amendment Rights.

What good's the Constitution if you don't use it, eh?

Peace.
edit on 5-10-2011 by radosta because: Had a moment but controlled it. No edit after all.

edit on 5-10-2011 by radosta because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by Witness2008
reply to post by macman
 


Yet another tactical mistake. Since you "know" who is backing and participating in this movement, perhaps you can prove it.

Mind readers...there a dime a dozen on ATS.



I can read between the lines. As the people show up, in support of, it falls in the common trait of hubris.
As the protest surge and grow, those backing it will always show their face, because they want some form of credit.
Kind of like the Pyro watching the house burn, after they started the fire.
It is hard for the likes of Sorros, Van Jones, Moveon.org to stay away from the fire they started.

Common sense man.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Witness2008
reply to post by macman
 


Yet another tactical mistake. Since you "know" who is backing and participating in this movement, perhaps you can prove it.

Mind readers...there a dime a dozen on ATS.



I can read between the lines. As the people show up, in support of, it falls in the common trait of hubris.
As the protest surge and grow, those backing it will always show their face, because they want some form of credit.
Kind of like the Pyro watching the house burn, after they started the fire.
It is hard for the likes of Sorros, Van Jones, Moveon.org to stay away from the fire they started.

Common sense man.


There are all types of cute little catch phrases for what you just said. And NO you can not read between the lines. And even if you could, it falls short of PROOF.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 02:57 PM
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"You heard it first here?" What are you? A tabloid? I would recommend checking out an anger management class if I were you. You are all hyped up over the protestors like they are standing in your front yard. I believe that everyone is entitled to their opinions but you obviously do not believe that. You are the type of person who thinks that your opinion is the right one. Who are you to say that we are all rich and greedy? I know a lot of people who are struggling. Not lazy people who don't want to work. Good people who work two jobs just to put food on the table for their kids. There are a LOT of rich greedy people...and there are even more poor hardworking people. you have no idea what you are talking about. You seem like you want nothing accomplished. You are a negative person.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by Phantom28804
In other words how many of them supported capitalism while protesting it?


Every single one that was wearing clothing.

Harte



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by Witness2008

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Witness2008
reply to post by macman
 


Yet another tactical mistake. Since you "know" who is backing and participating in this movement, perhaps you can prove it.

Mind readers...there a dime a dozen on ATS.



I can read between the lines. As the people show up, in support of, it falls in the common trait of hubris.
As the protest surge and grow, those backing it will always show their face, because they want some form of credit.
Kind of like the Pyro watching the house burn, after they started the fire.
It is hard for the likes of Sorros, Van Jones, Moveon.org to stay away from the fire they started.

Common sense man.


There are all types of cute little catch phrases for what you just said. And NO you can not read between the lines. And even if you could, it falls short of PROOF.


Ok then.

But, just realize, that I have been successful in life not due to luck, but due to seeing these things.
Just saying.
But, good for you if you want a smoking gun.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by radosta

Originally posted by illuminatislave

Originally posted by radosta


More and more with the attacks on anyone not in lockstep.



This is just the beginning if you think what I said to you is bad. Anyone who stands with the status quo will not be met with smiles and kisses, so prepare your sensitive outer shell.



Nothing sensitive here, big guy.
You make me laugh, though.

I prefer to be left alone and return that favor to others.

But if any Che wannabes come a knockin, you better believe this Good Ole Loosiana boy has taken advantage of his 2nd Amendment Rights.

What good's the Constitution if you don't use it, eh?

Peace.
edit on 5-10-2011 by radosta because: Had a moment but controlled it. No edit after all.

edit on 5-10-2011 by radosta because: (no reason given)


Agreed. I am a staunch believer of the 2nd Amendment.

But don't pretend that you're the only one that knows how to shoot a gun


I kid, I kid. Live in peace, my fellow American.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by Phantom28804
In other words how many of them supported capitalism while protesting it?


Every single one that was wearing clothing.

Harte


They should have walked out there naked?

Then they'd really have problems with the police


Make sure that the tag on your clothing does not say "Made in China". I will have to report you for being a communist sympathizer.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by gncnew
If I go to the rescue mission and feed 20 homeless men and women on a Wedensday night, but I do it very quietly.. .OR I go and spend a week in the park and chant "Down with Wall Street!" all day and night

Which path actually accomplished something? Intentions without results is useless and a waste. You'll learn this when you grow up.


Sounds like you are trying to quantify the results of differing avenues used to affect the same thing. While seeing 20 homeless people eating can be tangibly visible to you with instant results of gratification. However, you're efforts are only restricted to your immediate location consisting of 21 people. Now lets do some math. NYC (for the sake of brevity) has a population of 8,143,197. 20 people of 8 million is .00025 %. So in contrast, .00025% of NYC are aware of what you have done. You have made 0 accomplishments whereas this demonstration has now accomplished awareness 100 %. If you were to break down the process of change in stages, I would say the first level of change has already been accomplished.

Now, you may say you are feeding the homeless and you have been fulfilled 100% because you go home to bed feeling satisfied you have done something. But introspectively, you know the reason you feel the need to feed is because something is wrong with the system and needs change. So, while you feel gratification, in all honesty, you have only done .00025% of change and have no other stages to complete. You're done and you're beating a dead horse.

Let these demonstrators be your voice and shut up.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by illuminatislave

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by Phantom28804
In other words how many of them supported capitalism while protesting it?


Every single one that was wearing clothing.

Harte


They should have walked out there naked?

If you're asking me that, I'd say no, of course not.

But how many would you estimate in the crowd raised the sheep or grew the cotton, then made the resulting fiber into thread, then wove the thread into fabric and then sewed the fabric into clothing?

My estimate is zero. Hence, every single one that was wearing clothing supported Capitalism while protesting against it.

And don't even get me started on blow dryers.

Harte



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 03:14 PM
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Seeing that this is being turned into a slave labor nation, those kids may have the chance to do just that very soon!

At least manufacturing will be back!



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Witness2008

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Witness2008
reply to post by macman
 


Yet another tactical mistake. Since you "know" who is backing and participating in this movement, perhaps you can prove it.

Mind readers...there a dime a dozen on ATS.



I can read between the lines. As the people show up, in support of, it falls in the common trait of hubris.
As the protest surge and grow, those backing it will always show their face, because they want some form of credit.
Kind of like the Pyro watching the house burn, after they started the fire.
It is hard for the likes of Sorros, Van Jones, Moveon.org to stay away from the fire they started.

Common sense man.


There are all types of cute little catch phrases for what you just said. And NO you can not read between the lines. And even if you could, it falls short of PROOF.


Ok then.

But, just realize, that I have been successful in life not due to luck, but due to seeing these things.
Just saying.
But, good for you if you want a smoking gun.


How do I or anyone else here on this thread know that you are successful in life? And is your definition of success the same as mine or anyone elses?

The blanket statements made by you and others on this thread are asinine. How could you know the hearts, minds and circumstances of thousands of people?

I see people that are wanting to make a difference, and not only for themselves, and willing to sacrifice for that change in the face of ridicule and brutality.

Mud slinging....you must be so proud.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 03:25 PM
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I know it's useless to protest. Just not be of the system.

Be careful not to comply. If you don't comply, they throw you in jail. Do comply, and they will only ask for more.

My solution from the opinions gathered, comply then run to a safe haven.

So far there are two known. The first one is the Moon, there is really living conditions. The second one is the interior Earth, the are two openings known and in plain view, one at the North pole, and another at the South, they are impossible to miss if your traveling there. WARNING, you better have a lot of rope because the Earth's Crust is 800 miles thick.
edit on 5-10-2011 by FreedomCommander because: incomplete



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 03:32 PM
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Someone on ATS that doesn't realize that they have kind of won the argument.

What a shocker.

You do realize that I basically conceded to you, right?
The grand internet and the forum members we interact with. Oh, what an impersonal world this is.

I guess you just gotta take me a face value, just as I have to with you.

I have been employed since 94, with a 2 week gap in employment while moving from state to state.
I earn a great income, have a primary job, good temporary weekend job, and side business.
Little debt, and I am at the top of what I do.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 03:49 PM
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You're right on all counts except that this might actually accomplish something. They will eventually realize what you're saying and do that.



posted on Oct, 5 2011 @ 03:56 PM
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I see no concessions in life, only challenges and lessons learned. I think what troubles me the most about this type of thread and discussion is the condemnation that I see the younger and more progressive members endure. You, as an experienced adult are in the position to guide and encourage. You served in order that Americans have the freedom to step out and affect change in this country.

Let's face it, if this movement is successful in any degree, many of your loved ones may witness greater freedoms and justice in the future.



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