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Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
Whether you like it or not, there are plenty of hispanic people who are CITIZENS and LEGAL immigrants. Painting all hispanics with the same brush is....well, absurd to say the least. Any hispanic who has a problem with the Border Patrol is the person with the problem, not the other way around. If they get violent over a T-Shirt, that says a hell of a lot about their character and potentially "legal" status. It sounds to me like the people struggling with the race issue are the ones who don't want the shirts.edit on 4-10-2011 by navy_vet_stg3 because: Corrected a spelling error....
Originally posted by Procession101
No one has a problem with the shirt at all, I love the Border Patrol and have a couple of close friends that patrol along the New Mexico border. The issue with these kids wearing these shirts is the timing and how it blatently shows that it is jab at people that aren't typical white Americans. The principal was right in not wanting his school associated in this jab. I commend him for having the intestinal fortitude to do so.
Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
Originally posted by Procession101
No one has a problem with the shirt at all, I love the Border Patrol and have a couple of close friends that patrol along the New Mexico border. The issue with these kids wearing these shirts is the timing and how it blatently shows that it is jab at people that aren't typical white Americans. The principal was right in not wanting his school associated in this jab. I commend him for having the intestinal fortitude to do so.
So, "free speech" only applies when YOU say it applies, and the principal says it applies, right? It's all about "timing". When is the right "timing" to wear a Border Patrol shirt? Can you wear one in the mall? What if the mall has hispanics? Can you wear one at a professional football, or basketball game? What if there are hispanic fans? When, EXACTLY, is the "timing" right to wear a Border Patrol shirt? When, EXACTLY, is the "timing" right for the 1st Amendment?
Okay, Obama, what exactly is a "typical white American"?
Originally posted by Procession101
Free speech applies when the kids are on their own time, like I stated in a earlier post as long as they aren't attached with a school program of any sort they can drive down to Pueblo and wear their BP shirts all they want. Hell they can wear a shirt saying "I HATE MEXICANS" for all I care. The school has a dress code and if they want to interact in it's activities they need to obey it BOTTOM LINE.
Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
Originally posted by Procession101
Free speech applies when the kids are on their own time, like I stated in a earlier post as long as they aren't attached with a school program of any sort they can drive down to Pueblo and wear their BP shirts all they want. Hell they can wear a shirt saying "I HATE MEXICANS" for all I care. The school has a dress code and if they want to interact in it's activities they need to obey it BOTTOM LINE.
Okay, so as I asked in an earlier post as well, what if they had a Che Guevara shirt? How about a La Raza shirt? What if they had a GOP, or DNC shirt? Army? Navy? Are those not allowed? This isn't about a dress code, and you trying to make it that is absurd.
So, the "BOTTOM LINE" is that the shirts did NOT violate any dress code. (See PDF below, pages 19-20)
School's Dress Code
Originally posted by Procession101
The shirts violated the dress code when the principal had the sense to realize it was intended as an insult for the people they were about to play.
Originally posted by Procession101
About the shirts you listed if any of them can be used in a situation clever or not, where it would be an insult to any other party I'm sure the principal would have reacted the same. Why don't you understand this!?
Originally posted by Ultinium
Also, I think the whole fighting policy is corrupt too. If someone attacks you and you are the victim you still get suspended.
Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
Originally posted by Procession101
The shirts violated the dress code when the principal had the sense to realize it was intended as an insult for the people they were about to play.
Again, we go back to the point that the principal gets to decide when the 1st Amendment applies? Funny, I thought you liberals were champions of the 1st Amendment. Apparently, it only applies when someone tells a Muslim woman she can't wear her burka in prison. That's the only time the left cares about the 1st Amendment. It's becoming clear now.
Originally posted by Procession101
About the shirts you listed if any of them can be used in a situation clever or not, where it would be an insult to any other party I'm sure the principal would have reacted the same. Why don't you understand this!?
People have the right to be insulted in this country, and people have the right to insult someone else. As I've said before, if the people in Pueblo would have a problem with the shirts, then they are the ones who have the psychological problem. It's no different than a SWAT shirt, or a "Broomfield PD" shirt. If THEY have an issue with Border Patrol, then THEY are the ones with the problem. Why don't YOU understand this?
Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
Originally posted by Ultinium
Also, I think the whole fighting policy is corrupt too. If someone attacks you and you are the victim you still get suspended.
This happened to my son 4 years ago when he was a Freshman. He had black belts in Taekowndo, Hapkido, and Yudo at the time (started training when he was 5). He was sucker punched, didn't fight back (only blocked the rest of the assault), and he was suspended for 2 days. I wound up getting it expunged from his record, but nearly went to prison to prove how serious I was about it.
Originally posted by Procession101
If you are too dumb to understand the difference between wearing those shirts and the situation with the BP shirts, I honestly don't have enough time to explain it to you and quite honestly feel REALLY bad for you.
Originally posted by Procession101
Ok so using your logic then kids can pretty much speak out of turn while in class and pretty much wear anything they want any time they want. Hey, the 1st Ammendment trumps every rule a school has in place right? Apparently that is what you believe. I don't believe the kids should have been suspended but I believe they should have had to turn those shirts inside out if they wanted to compete in a school sport or project or what have you.
Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
Originally posted by Procession101
If you are too dumb to understand the difference between wearing those shirts and the situation with the BP shirts, I honestly don't have enough time to explain it to you and quite honestly feel REALLY bad for you.
Huh? I think you replied to the wrong person, and are getting your messages crossed. I rest my case at this point. About the only thing you didn't do is say "your a moron".
Originally posted by Procession101
Ok so using your logic then kids can pretty much speak out of turn while in class and pretty much wear anything they want any time they want. Hey, the 1st Ammendment trumps every rule a school has in place right? Apparently that is what you believe. I don't believe the kids should have been suspended but I believe they should have had to turn those shirts inside out if they wanted to compete in a school sport or project or what have you.
I think you meant this for me, but I'm not sure anymore. No, kids don't get to wear whatever they want. There is a dress code. I provided the dress code. NOWHERE was there a "No Border Patrol Shirts" section. Did you read it? Seriously, did you read the dress code?
Originally posted by Procession101
BP as in Border Patrol, it's pretty commonly used.
Originally posted by Procession101
So do you really not understand the difference between those two situations or are you just trolling?