High School Student Suspended Over Border Patrol Shirt, page 15

Originally posted by wagnificent

Originally posted by babuthegreat
reply to post by wagnificent

So you're going to try and lump an obscure state law about sexual positions into the same level of national priority as immigration law? Do i really have to point out the flawed logic in that one?

You're right, we did not treat with the Native Americans fairly. However, I can also say that we conquered them, same way we conquered the british when it came to the revolution. We fought for this and and won it, therefore, it's ours. If you think that "Jose" is spending every damn penny of his money, then you also are utterly mistake. "Jose" sends quite a large amount of the money he makes here back across the border to his family in Mexico. If you'd like, the next time I'm at my local grocery store i'll take a picture of him sending it by Western Union. He works at a local tree farm.

So what you're telling me is that you support a freely open border where anyone can come in and easily be declared a citizen of this country. That's a straight path to the U.S. becoming a thirid world country. We don't have enough jobs to support our curent population, let alone what would happen if we did something like that.

Let's talk about flawed logic then. I think anyone familiar with logic can see through nearly every one of your claims.

1. I was speaking about the selective enforcement of laws and the racist assumptions and false statistics upon which immigration laws are given priority for enforcement. What makes the issue of sexual positions more obscure than immigration? Only the fact that at this point in history, people don't care ANYMORE how other people have sex. At one point they obviously did though, or else why do we have that law? The question is when will people stop caring how others get into "our" country? How does an illegal immigrant affect you personally? If they took your job, then it's probably because either your employer views you only as a means to an end or because you just were not that great at your job. Neither of those things are the immigrant's fault.

2. "We conquered Native Americans, and we took their land, so it's ours." I think the arrogance of that line of reasoning is self-evident. Perhaps you are threatened by the possibility that illegal immigrants are here to conquer our land and make it theirs? If so I would say that's guilty paranoia, not legal righteousness.

3. I admit that yes in fact many immigrants send money to their families, including my girlfriend, but they still have to buy groceries, gas, pay rent, etc. They pay into the system, and many live with very little financial cushion. Sending money to other countries is not spending it? Sending money out of the country is only a problem because America's exports are severely lacking, which is once again not the immigrant's fault. In any case if you think people sending money to their families in other countries is a significant drain on our economy, I think you have overlooked some variables.

4. Free and open borders causing the US to become a third world country is just plain slippery slope argumentation. I'm sure we will all become cannibals and see the end of civilized society too if we open our borders.

5. No we don't have enough jobs to support the income needs of the population, but perhaps opening our borders to people will actually have a revolutionary effect on our economy, wherein people can actually get jobs not for the sake of income but because there is an actual need for that job to be done. But that's socialist, so I'm sure everyone would much prefer to do a mindless job just to rub two coins together and call themselves patriotic.

1. Illegal immigrants effect me personally through my the taxes that i pay. I pay for the free health care they get, I pay for the police and firemen that protect them.
2. If you look back through history at the establishment of every country in the world today? I'm sure at some point you'll find that that land was ruled by someone else who in turn conquered it for themselves.
3. The difference here is that your girlfriend is a tax paying, legal, US citizen. Alot of Americans live with very little cushion as well yet still have to pay taxes to the government.
4. You're right. No one can say for sure what the result of that would be.
5. I don't believe there has been an example of socialism being successfully implemented. Also, you can't say for sure that that would have the desired effect on the economy.