Who are the REAL Terrorists pt 2
Good Lord, why would we ever want to vote yes for a tax increase? They have already proven on a city, state and federal level that our
(cough**bull@#%!) “ representatives” CANNOT/WILLNOT use that money for what it is intended for. Why would we EVER agree to give them more??
And here is another point:
If I, or any other American Citizen who must work for a living, stole/embezzled money from an employer, we would be arrested, convicted, and thrown
in jail. Yet here we have our dear “leaders” whom lie to, steal from, and cheat American citizens on a daily basis AND still have the audacity
to ask for more!! The amount of money, (YOUR hard earned money),that is/has been stolen/embezzled from hard working American Citizens on a daily
basis by approximately 500 public Servants boggles the mind.
This is a PERFECT example of economic terrorism to “intimidate or coerce” American citizens into giving up more of their freedoms in order to
avoid a !!!! Catastrophe!!! Government Shut Down !!!.. or whatever bull-sh!!! line our “dear leaders” come up with each week.
How about our emerging dictator Obama using the executive orders in TOTAL VIOLATION of the Constitution of the United States to murder an American
citizen. What happened to the right to due process?
** Oh wait, I forgot, it does not matter if you are an American citizen, in fact, All that has to happen is for our own personal SS,.........
(whoops I meant DHS)... to “decide” you are a terrorist- and guess what? You are one!!**
Congratulations new-found domestic terrorist!! Your prize for being chosen as an enemy combatant is.....
1. No rights under the US constitution. NONE. That means if grandma offends someone and ends up on a domestic terrorism list, she could be arrested
and held INDEFINITELY without a trial, (due process- remember the 14th amendment anyone??).
2. They can even execute grandma if they wanted..... just like ANY OTHER AMERICAN CITIZEN. And there is NO REDRESS.
So, who are the REAL Domestic Terrorists?
***** another clue from the 14th Amendment:
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or
military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United
States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United
States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.
Maybe it's just me, but this sounds EXACTLY like what our dear leaders have done by aiding and abetting the lobbyists/bankers/corporations in
STEALING the hard earned money of ALL Americans for their own gain.
To which I say, quoting from and adding emphasis to: caselaw.lp.findlaw.com..., {Hurtado v. California,
40}:
'[A]rbitrary power {read=US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT}, enforcing its edicts to the injury of the persons
and property of its subjects, is not law, whether manifested as the decree {EXECUTIVE ORDER} of a personal
monarch (POTUS} or of an impersonal multitude, {US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT}. And the limitations imposed
by our constitutional law upon the action of the governments, both state and national, are essential to the preservation of public and private rights,
notwithstanding the representative character of our political institutions. The enforcement of these limitations by judicial process is the device of
self-governing communities, {THIS MEANS YOU , ME, AND EVERY OTHER US CITIZEN} to protect the rights of individuals and minorities, as well against
the power of numbers, as against the violence of public agents transcending the limits of lawful authority, even when acting in the name and wielding
the force of the government.''
Because the Department of Homeland Security’s definition of Domestic Terrorism is purposefully vague, ANY American citizen, YES, YOU, may be
accused of being a domestic terrorist and have NO RECOURSE under the current regime.
Do you realize that you may be accused of being a terrorist and put on a list-JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE/Any One says so? Apparently any and all hearsay is
now considered credible in our court of law. What happened to the CONSTITUTION of our great nation??????? When I woke up this morning I realized that
the country I live in looks eerily like pre-WW II Germany. Do not believe me? Do your research, the answers you will find are TERRIFYING, Just like
THE REAL DOMESTIC TERRORISTS mean them to be.
Solution?We MUST NOT LET THEM DIVIDE US!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We must not buy into the left/right, Christian/Muslim, White/Black, Democrat/Republican,
RICH/POOR purposely devisive RHETORIC!!!
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Topic started on 3-10-2011 @ 08:02 PM by desertdweller1
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Its also quite lengthy, but worth it , (IMO).
In speaking with my family and friends, I have become overwhelmed at the lack of information on their part, (and mine), regarding the ACTUAL DEFINITION of terrorism and what the term domestic terrorist specifically means. I have also been struggling with the real question of WHY? Why are they, the so called "domestic terrorists”, targeting the US population? Cui bono- Who benefits?
As I admitted in one of my first few posts, I was actually becoming afraid to speak my mind. Terrified is a better word, and oh how apropos the word “terrified” is! Not so much for myself, but for my kids, family, friends,community, state and country. As I kept hearing about this NEW! and IMPROVED! boogie man, the dreaded domestic terrorist, I wondered, just what exactly is a domestic terrorist?
Who are these crazy, dangerous, murderous,people? So I went to the library, did some research, also visited some constitutional law sites, several dictionaries, and several .gov sites: DHS, FBI, DOJ, etc. I also checked on some international sites as well.
So, what are some of these definitions? Here's a couple, just snippets from each source provided:
1 www.merriam-webster.com...: "Terrorism :the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal. Example: “They have been arrested for acts of terrorism”.
terrorism.about.com...: The Department of Defense Dictionary of Military Terms defines terrorism as: "The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological".
westgatehouse.com... Official United States Government Definition of Terrorism:
"[An] act of terrorism, means any activity that (A) involves a violent act or an act dangerous to human life that is a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State; and (B) appears to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping." (United States Code Congressional and Administrative News, 98th Congress, Second Session, 1984, Oct. 19, volume 2; par. 3077, 98 STAT. 2707 [West Publishing Co., 1984]) and more here
terrorism.about.com...
What is the definition of domestic terrorism?
1. http//terrorism.about.com/b/2006/11/21/who-isnt-a-terrorist.htm
short article making the point: Who ISN'T a Terrorist?
2. www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org... "Terrorism by nature is difficult to define. Acts of terrorism conjure emotional responses in the victims (those hurt by the violence and those affected by the fear) as well as in the practitioners. Even the U.S. government cannot agree on one single definition. The old adage, “One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter” is still alive and well. Listed below are several definitions of terrorism. For the purposes of the Terrorism Research Center, we have adopted the definition used by the Federal Bureau of Investigation".
A. “Terrorism is the use or threatened use of force designed to bring about political change”.
B. -Or “Terrorism constitutes the illegitimate use of force to achieve a political objective when innocent people are targeted.
C. -Or: “Terrorism is the premeditated, deliberate, systematic murder, mayhem, and threatening of the innocent to create fear and intimidation in order to gain a political or tactical advantage, usually to influence an audience”, (James M. Poland).
D. -Or this: “Terrorism is the unlawful use or threat of violence against persons or property to further political or social objectives. It is usually intended to intimidate or coerce a government, individuals or groups {American Citizens}, or to modify their behavior or politics” (Vice-President's Task Force, 1986).
E. And finally: “Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives”,(FBI). More at: www.terrorismfiles.org... www.terrorism-research.com...
**** Interesting Note/Quote: "Terrorism has often been an effective tactic for the weaker side in a conflict. As an asymmetric form of conflict, it confers coercive power with many of the advantages of military force at a fraction of the cost. Due to the secretive nature and small size of terrorist organizations, they often offer opponents no clear organization to defend against or to deter".
***See the confusion in the #Occupy Wall St Protests? ****
****Terrorism is a criminal act that influences an audience beyond the immediate victim. The strategy of
terrorists is to commit acts of violence that draws the attention of the local populace, the government, and the
world to their cause. The terrorists plan their attack to obtain the greatest publicity, choosing targets that
symbolize what they oppose. [color=Red] **( So that's why they are targeting patriotic citizens who love the constitution and the Freedoms it affords us!! GET IT NOW??? [/color] The effectiveness of the terrorist act lies not in the act itself, but in the public’s or government’s reaction to the act.
(5) www.cfr.org... – From the C.F.R., no less! This one is a gem! (6) nij.gov...: National Institute of Justice.
(7) Title 22 of the U.S. Code, Section 2656f(d) (U.S. Department of State, 2007) defines terrorism as “premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by sub-national groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience.”
** Can anyone say STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM AGAINST THE AMERICAN CITIZENS BY THE P.O.T.U.S. AND OUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES ???????**
More resources:
(1)"The Ethics and Efficacy of Political Terrorism", Achin Vanaik, Social Science Research Council, September 2002. (2) www.answers.com... "The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons". **Prime Example*** Remember way back in 2008 when certain representatives, (and I use the word “representative” facetiously), stated that they had been threatened with martial law if they did not pass the bailout? Remember the representatives who stated that the same threat was applied if they did not pass the second batch of gazillions of dollars for those corporations deemed to big to fail?
**Or How about the main stream media screaming 24/7, “If we don’t pass this particular bill, the government will run out of money, no medicare, no social security, no services, blah blah blah?
**end of page one**
Its also quite lengthy, but worth it , (IMO). In speaking with my family and friends, I have become overwhelmed at the lack of information on their part, (and mine), regarding the ACTUAL DEFINITION of terrorism and what the term domestic terrorist specifically means. I have also been struggling with the real question of WHY? Why are they, the so called "domestic terrorists”, targeting the US population? Cui bono- Who benefits?
As I admitted in one of my first few posts, I was actually becoming afraid to speak my mind. Terrified is a better word, and oh how apropos the word “terrified” is! Not so much for myself, but for my kids, family, friends,community, state and country. As I kept hearing about this NEW! and IMPROVED! boogie man, the dreaded domestic terrorist, I wondered, just what exactly is a domestic terrorist?
Who are these crazy, dangerous, murderous,people? So I went to the library, did some research, also visited some constitutional law sites, several dictionaries, and several .gov sites: DHS, FBI, DOJ, etc. I also checked on some international sites as well.
So, what are some of these definitions? Here's a couple, just snippets from each source provided:
1 www.merriam-webster.com...: "Terrorism :the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal. Example: “They have been arrested for acts of terrorism”.
terrorism.about.com...: The Department of Defense Dictionary of Military Terms defines terrorism as: "The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological".
westgatehouse.com... Official United States Government Definition of Terrorism:
"[An] act of terrorism, means any activity that (A) involves a violent act or an act dangerous to human life that is a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State; and (B) appears to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping." (United States Code Congressional and Administrative News, 98th Congress, Second Session, 1984, Oct. 19, volume 2; par. 3077, 98 STAT. 2707 [West Publishing Co., 1984]) and more here
terrorism.about.com...
What is the definition of domestic terrorism?
1. http//terrorism.about.com/b/2006/11/21/who-isnt-a-terrorist.htm
short article making the point: Who ISN'T a Terrorist?
2. www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org... "Terrorism by nature is difficult to define. Acts of terrorism conjure emotional responses in the victims (those hurt by the violence and those affected by the fear) as well as in the practitioners. Even the U.S. government cannot agree on one single definition. The old adage, “One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter” is still alive and well. Listed below are several definitions of terrorism. For the purposes of the Terrorism Research Center, we have adopted the definition used by the Federal Bureau of Investigation".
A. “Terrorism is the use or threatened use of force designed to bring about political change”.
B. -Or “Terrorism constitutes the illegitimate use of force to achieve a political objective when innocent people are targeted.
C. -Or: “Terrorism is the premeditated, deliberate, systematic murder, mayhem, and threatening of the innocent to create fear and intimidation in order to gain a political or tactical advantage, usually to influence an audience”, (James M. Poland).
D. -Or this: “Terrorism is the unlawful use or threat of violence against persons or property to further political or social objectives. It is usually intended to intimidate or coerce a government, individuals or groups {American Citizens}, or to modify their behavior or politics” (Vice-President's Task Force, 1986).
E. And finally: “Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives”,(FBI). More at: www.terrorismfiles.org... www.terrorism-research.com...
**** Interesting Note/Quote: "Terrorism has often been an effective tactic for the weaker side in a conflict. As an asymmetric form of conflict, it confers coercive power with many of the advantages of military force at a fraction of the cost. Due to the secretive nature and small size of terrorist organizations, they often offer opponents no clear organization to defend against or to deter".
***See the confusion in the #Occupy Wall St Protests? ****
****Terrorism is a criminal act that influences an audience beyond the immediate victim. The strategy of
terrorists is to commit acts of violence that draws the attention of the local populace, the government, and the
world to their cause. The terrorists plan their attack to obtain the greatest publicity, choosing targets that
symbolize what they oppose. [color=Red] **( So that's why they are targeting patriotic citizens who love the constitution and the Freedoms it affords us!! GET IT NOW??? [/color] The effectiveness of the terrorist act lies not in the act itself, but in the public’s or government’s reaction to the act.
(5) www.cfr.org... – From the C.F.R., no less! This one is a gem! (6) nij.gov...: National Institute of Justice.
(7) Title 22 of the U.S. Code, Section 2656f(d) (U.S. Department of State, 2007) defines terrorism as “premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by sub-national groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience.”
** Can anyone say STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM AGAINST THE AMERICAN CITIZENS BY THE P.O.T.U.S. AND OUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES ???????**
More resources:
(1)"The Ethics and Efficacy of Political Terrorism", Achin Vanaik, Social Science Research Council, September 2002. (2) www.answers.com... "The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons". **Prime Example*** Remember way back in 2008 when certain representatives, (and I use the word “representative” facetiously), stated that they had been threatened with martial law if they did not pass the bailout? Remember the representatives who stated that the same threat was applied if they did not pass the second batch of gazillions of dollars for those corporations deemed to big to fail?
**Or How about the main stream media screaming 24/7, “If we don’t pass this particular bill, the government will run out of money, no medicare, no social security, no services, blah blah blah?
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