The great masonic conspiracy unveiled

Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by Americanist


You know once a family disperses into different regions and different states after several generations... At some point you're so far removed you don't know their names.

They all have websites, you know.

Originally posted by relocator
Just in case you Mason's have a change of heart... I offer this sincerely...

No idea why any of us would have a change of heart. Bro. Ford summed it up quite nicely in your previous post. Did you take issue with anything he had to say? I mean, you're the one who brought his quote into the discussion…

reply to post by Americanist


Do you have any more meaningless responses to contribute?

Or should I take your posting of random pictures as you being out of rhetoric?

No more random names and dates to throw out?

No more youtube videos to "learn" from?

I want Mason's to know I do not judge them. I'm a sinner and would judge myself first if that was the case.
I want to understand why these rumors have been around for such a long time. I find it interesting as well as the answers the Mason's give and enjoy entertaining those who find these discussions a joke.


reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

Pope Leo XIII, Dall’Alto (# 2), Oct. 15, 1890: “It is needless now to put the Masonic sects upon their trial. They are already judged; their ends, their means, their doctrines, and their action, are all known with indisputable certainty. Possessed by the spirit of Satan, whose instrument they are, they burn like him with a deadly and implacable hatred of Jesus Christ and of His work; and they endeavor by every means to overthrow and fetter it.”1

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Originally posted by GringoViejo
reply to post by Americanist

 

Do you have any more meaningless responses to contribute?

Or should I take your posting of random pictures as you being out of rhetoric?

No more random names and dates to throw out?

No more youtube videos to "learn" from?

Come to think of it... I do have some music that'll light the way:

reply to post by Americanist


"No" would have sufficed, but I'm glad to clear that up, nonetheless.

reply to post by relocator


Oh, boy, the Pope does not like me either. Honestly, I never even thought twice when I realized that Roman Catholicism was not for me (and this was long before I became a Mason). I found it to be dogmatic and hypocritical.

reply to post by relocator


Quite obviously, Freemasons do not take papal bulls very seriously. Therefore, I'm not exactly sure why you quote Leo XIII. We, as Masons, consider him to have been a quack.

You can read Albert Pike's response to Leo XIII here.

reply to post by Masonic Light


1st. Praelocution by Albert Pike on
Leo XIII’s Humanum Genus Against Freemasonry

From the Allocution of the Grand Commander of the

Supreme Council of the 33d Degree for the

Southern Jurisdiction of the United States of America.

Delivered in October, 1884, in Supreme Council.

This is a formal speech that preceded Pike’s written reply which follows

So this is proof that Albert lied??? Or maybe he told the truth then lied about lying... Okay....I get it. Michael Glenn Maness.

Originally posted by relocator

So this is proof that Albert lied??? Or maybe he told the truth then lied about lying... Okay....I get it.

Huh????

I don't have a clue what you're talking about. Nobody said anything about lying. I simply told you what Masons think of Leo XIII, and Pike eloquently explained why.

reply to post by Masonic Light

Humanum Genus criticises a number of principles, for example the idea that popular sovereignty is the source of all rights and that man should bend to no authority other than himself:
Humanum Genus criticises a number of principles, for example the idea that popular sovereignty is the source of all rights and that man should bend to no authority other than himself:

Then come their doctrines of politics, in which the naturalists lay down that all men have the same right, and are in every respect of equal and like condition; that each one is naturally free; that no one has the right to command another; that it is an act of violence to require men to obey any authority other than that which is obtained from themselves.[3][emphasis added]

Finally it condemns what it sees as the Masonic idea of the total separation of religion and state:

It is held also that the State should be without God; that in the various forms of religion there is no reason why one should have precedence of another; and that they are all to occupy the same place.

Leo XIII's denunciation of Freemasonry should be seen in context of his examination of socialism (Quod Apostolici Muneris), his defence of Christian marriage (Arcanum) and on the role of government (Diuturnum). Because of the supposed secrecy in Freemasonry, it was believed by the Roman Catholic Church to have an enormous amount of secret discipline of its members – which was seen by the Pope as enslavement. So by this definition, although individual Masons may be decent people, they were being led to do evil things.

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Reading a book about the Apollo missions is not the same as landing upon the moon.

Conjecture is fun, perhaps, but totally fruitless.

And since Masonry is open to any man whom wishes to experience it, I would say the burden is on you to see for yourself.

It would be equally unfair for us Masons to stand outside the church and take pot shots at your beliefs and dogma.

I personally have no stake in your belief system, so why would you be so arrogant as to think I need saving from mine?

That is judgement, and not very christian...

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I'm a female??? lol and I apologize if my sincere offer offended you. Peace...it's all good.

My apologies, ma'am.

There is a women's lodge, where you may understand a bit better what Masonry is really all about.

It's called the Order of the Eastern Star. Educate yourself!

reply to post by jimnuggits


I will take your advise and to the rest of Freemason's I will try not be one of these....Why do people who know the least know it the loudest!!!

reply to post by Americanist

Nice way to duck out agsin. There is a lot out there..a lot of misleading crap.

reply to post by relocator

I wonder how many alter boys were given this prayer by a priest...

Originally posted by relocator
Then come their doctrines of politics, in which the naturalists lay down that all men have the same right, and are in every respect of equal and like condition; that each one is naturally free; that no one has the right to command another; that it is an act of violence to require men to obey any authority other than that which is obtained from themselves.

I so glad the loony Pope Leo thinks that man should not have freedom to live without oppression.

Finally it condemns what it sees as the Masonic idea of the total separation of religion and state:

It is held also that the State should be without God; that in the various forms of religion there is no reason why one should have precedence of another; and that they are all to occupy the same place.

Or freedom of religion.

Crackpot.

"I'm the freakin Pope and you do what I tell you!"

reply to post by ButtUglyToad


I understand what your saying but logic does indeed dictate that there is color to the blind man he is told of the concept of color so to him color exists, even if his perception of it is different because he can't see he knows there is color.

If there weren't words then what are we typing???, of course everything can be seen arbitrary but again if we do we end up with the concept of the core being nothingness.


As far as the thesis on the understanding of God it's not logic that truly defines whether or not one believes in such a creator but faith and faith is a derivative of love not logic.

Besides the core belief system of man/women can never be logic at step one because we come to the understanding of logic through perception and what others before us perceived and through that (the begining of man) we came to a united conclusion through our perceptive of what constitues logic and we evolved from there.


Besides if man just stuck to the notion that everything is logic based on a scientific standard of his day we would still think the world is flat there would be no cure for polio.

Man needs to think outside the box in some cases and not rely on what a consensus of his peers deem as logic at that time because if that were the case man would never invent anything, hence my statement about the world being flat and polio.