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Originally posted by King Seesar
reply to post by ButtUglyToad
Trust me i'm awake my man, agape love is possible because love is the ultimate truth the problem that stems from most mankind obtaining this is ego.
As far as adding up the numbers with the day that will live in infamy i'v seen diagrams of such before, also the Aleister Crowley number code applied to 9/11 is another one.
As far as what the truth is in terms of specific conspiracies it's in the eye of the beholder, i often said when studying a conspiracy if you take the experts in the field of a certin conspiracy and factor in that they probably have it about fifty percent right and then add what they all say up you will be alot closer to the truth then you were before.
edit on 6-10-2011 by King Seesar because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by Americanist
What man is a man who doesn't better the world? A man may be a part of a community, but he's still an indivudual. How did Pike set a trap?
Driven out of the US do you mean?Public scrutiny from the Morgan Affair had one effect on Masonic membership. The Civil War had an effect, but not so much on membership as it did with fraternal relations between jurisdictions.edit on 5-10-2011 by KSigMason because: (no reason given)
William Morgan (1774–1826?) was a resident of Batavia, New York, whose disappearance and presumed murder in 1826 ignited a powerful movement against the Freemasons, a secret fraternal society that had become influential in the United States. After Morgan announced his intention to publish a book exposing Freemasonry's "secrets", he was arrested, kidnapped by Masons, and believed murdered.
And yet, Duncan's Ritual was published well before Morgan's, and Morgan's was not blocked from publication. Both are readily available today.
Originally posted by Americanist
The Morgan Affair:
William Morgan (1774–1826?) was a resident of Batavia, New York, whose disappearance and presumed murder in 1826 ignited a powerful movement against the Freemasons, a secret fraternal society that had become influential in the United States. After Morgan announced his intention to publish a book exposing Freemasonry's "secrets", he was arrested, kidnapped by Masons, and believed murdered.
Originally posted by Americanist
...as were other notorious members.
Originally posted by Americanist
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by Americanist
What man is a man who doesn't better the world? A man may be a part of a community, but he's still an indivudual. How did Pike set a trap?
Driven out of the US do you mean?Public scrutiny from the Morgan Affair had one effect on Masonic membership. The Civil War had an effect, but not so much on membership as it did with fraternal relations between jurisdictions.edit on 5-10-2011 by KSigMason because: (no reason given)
Pike was rife with conflict as were other notorious members. These same individuals became symbol to policy and ritual.
Your initial question is answered as a quote of mine. See signature file.
The Morgan Affair:
William Morgan (1774–1826?) was a resident of Batavia, New York, whose disappearance and presumed murder in 1826 ignited a powerful movement against the Freemasons, a secret fraternal society that had become influential in the United States. After Morgan announced his intention to publish a book exposing Freemasonry's "secrets", he was arrested, kidnapped by Masons, and believed murdered.
en.wikipedia.org...(anti-Mason)
Affiliation to the upper echelon of usury is another telltale.
Originally posted by JoshNorton
And yet, Duncan's Ritual was published well before Morgan's, and Morgan's was not blocked from publication. Both are readily available today.
Originally posted by Americanist
The Morgan Affair:
William Morgan (1774–1826?) was a resident of Batavia, New York, whose disappearance and presumed murder in 1826 ignited a powerful movement against the Freemasons, a secret fraternal society that had become influential in the United States. After Morgan announced his intention to publish a book exposing Freemasonry's "secrets", he was arrested, kidnapped by Masons, and believed murdered.
What possible good would killing Morgan be if they didn't actually stop his book from getting out? Wouldn't the book itself be a bigger target than the author if it were all about protecting the "secrets"? (which had already seen publication from other authors???)
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by Americanist
...as were other notorious members.
Such as?
Originally posted by network dude
Originally posted by Americanist
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by Americanist
What man is a man who doesn't better the world? A man may be a part of a community, but he's still an indivudual. How did Pike set a trap?
Driven out of the US do you mean?Public scrutiny from the Morgan Affair had one effect on Masonic membership. The Civil War had an effect, but not so much on membership as it did with fraternal relations between jurisdictions.edit on 5-10-2011 by KSigMason because: (no reason given)
Pike was rife with conflict as were other notorious members. These same individuals became symbol to policy and ritual.
Your initial question is answered as a quote of mine. See signature file.
The Morgan Affair:
William Morgan (1774–1826?) was a resident of Batavia, New York, whose disappearance and presumed murder in 1826 ignited a powerful movement against the Freemasons, a secret fraternal society that had become influential in the United States. After Morgan announced his intention to publish a book exposing Freemasonry's "secrets", he was arrested, kidnapped by Masons, and believed murdered.
en.wikipedia.org...(anti-Mason)
Affiliation to the upper echelon of usury is another telltale.
Are you aware of what was going on in America at this time? Most in the south owned slaves. Some in the north. This was a very different time. To call anyone from that time a racist, is about ignorant. People evolved. Amazingly enough, people are still evolving. Check into it. You might do well to jump on that bandwagon.
Originally posted by Americanist
A.C. who gave things a little more of an Egyptian flare.
After Morgan announced his intention to publish a book exposing Freemasonry's "secrets", he was arrested, kidnapped by Masons, and believed murdered.
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by Americanist
What other notorious members?
Your Wiki excerpt should say "believed to be kidnapped by Masons". There was a lot of things never proven but public scrutiny had convicted us whether it was a group of rogue Masons or not.
reply to post by JoshNorton
Why Josh I do believe you hit that on the nose.
reply to post by Americanist
His post was not one of question or uncertainty. He posted pertinent facts that proposed a major conflict to your assertions.
Yes actually you did say his disappearance had to do with secrets. Read your own wiki link:
After Morgan announced his intention to publish a book exposing Freemasonry's "secrets", he was arrested, kidnapped by Masons, and believed murdered.
So why kill Morgan when Duncan had already posted everything?
No dues are monetary.
What Mason was coerced into signing over his property? I know many Masons who have voluntarily left something in their will to the Lodge but most of the time its a surprise. Its not mandatory or "coerced". Freemasonry doesn't interfere in ones personal life.
reply to post by Americanist
Aleister Crowley? He was not an accepted member nor did he have any major impact on Masonry other than his name being used to defame us.
His biggest contribution was to the OTO, not a Masonic order.
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by Americanist
So please tell me how the ritual changed and when? Were all jurisdictions affected? And how is it jurisdictions that wouldnt recognize Crowley as a Mason adopted his ritual?
Originally posted by Americanist
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by Americanist
So please tell me how the ritual changed and when? Were all jurisdictions affected? And how is it jurisdictions that wouldnt recognize Crowley as a Mason adopted his ritual?
The score to settle is not on your level. I'm tired of spectating. Absorb the message then become active in the bigger picture... Surely you've had more relevant chances than I ever did. Moving along now.
Originally posted by GringoViejo
Originally posted by Americanist
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by Americanist
So please tell me how the ritual changed and when? Were all jurisdictions affected? And how is it jurisdictions that wouldnt recognize Crowley as a Mason adopted his ritual?
The score to settle is not on your level. I'm tired of spectating. Absorb the message then become active in the bigger picture... Surely you've had more relevant chances than I ever did. Moving along now.
Translation: "I'm sorry, I can't answer your questions."
Originally posted by King Seesar
reply to post by ButtUglyToad
Of course everything could be misconstrued as a conspiracy that is why the good lord said use discernment and i say be wise when connecting the dots on certin maters but don't simply ignore them if there's sufficient evidence.
I guess in terms of the concept of perception we will just have to agree to disagree we see it in different manners for the record your stance on love could be called just your perception of such a mater, to [u/my point we all preceive, but i guess you don't see it like that, also Extra Sensory perception is a gift from God by my understanding, and your thesis on the mater dosen't make you any more right then me it's simply a mater of two opposing view points so there is no right or wrong or whos more awake or asleep it's simply a mater of different opinions.
As far as the basic point in the core of ones theology of inner self and the world around them they usually come to one of two conclusions either A: the basic concept of life is nothingness or B: the basic concept of life is love, which to me love in translation means creator/god and vise versa.
I do however think we both seem to fall under option B: the basic concept of life is love.