Occupy are populists, not red communists!

People have a right to protest the banks and their practices.

The banks act on the behalf of a small group of individuals,
country and countryman be damned. Americans have been robbed
and abused in the name of some misguided notion of freedom.
Freedom does not mean you have to roll over and get screwed
because some group has the lawyers and prowess to legalize the
screwing they offer you.

What about the concept of ETHICS? The spirit of the Law?


I refuse to believe that Americans calling for a return to ethics
is akin to a communist plot, economic populism is not a communist
plot. Both are natural reactions to a economic and political system that
has been corrupted by the subversive forces of oligarchy.

Those of you attacking this awakening of the American spirit should be
ashamed of yourselves. Marginalizing the common man in order to protect
the construct of cronyism is an insane political position to take.

They like to play with labels to deter you. They will call you communists and anti-capitalists. While they call themselves pro-capitalists although they're actually pro-corporatist shills.

reply to post by mastahunta


It appears that whenever there is a collective of ideas or ethics, this is viewed upon by many in the U.S as being a Socialist Agenda.

This is all down to the conditioning of the MSM such as Fox, CNN, etc...

People are fed up with the greedy Bankers. With leaders who cannot Govern with Governance and who are more interested in Photo opportunities and the idea of corruptable power. When was the last time our Governments actually did something for the people who put them in these positions in the first place? I honestly cannot remember.

Let's ram this message home and if it results in the bully boy tactics that has been demonstrated in the U.S and also in my own country, the U.K, then so be it.

Peaceful non compliance is the way forward, we are many, they are few. Peace.

Actually, they are Americans. Americans standing up to the oppressors.

Labels are for the brainwashed. I mean people that label others, that is. You "partisan" fools. Ever heard of Divide and Conquer? These people have, and they're standing up against it.

Originally posted by Cobaltic1978
reply to post by mastahunta

 

It appears that whenever there is a collective of ideas or ethics, this is viewed upon by many in the U.S as being a Socialist Agenda.

This is all down to the conditioning of the MSM such as Fox, CNN, etc...

People are fed up with the greedy Bankers. With leaders who cannot Govern with Governance and who are more interested in Photo opportunities and the idea of corruptable power. When was the last time our Governments actually did something for the people who put them in these positions in the first place? I honestly cannot remember.

Let's ram this message home and if it results in the bully boy tactics that has been demonstrated in the U.S and also in my own country, the U.K, then so be it.

Peaceful non compliance is the way forward, we are many, they are few. Peace.

edit on 3/10/11 by Cobaltic1978 because: (no reason given)

Could not have said it better myself. Well put Cobaltic.

OCCUPY EVERYWHERE!

This isn't just about the US. It's about the whole world's 99% standing up to the Bankers who control the governments. It's about the 99% telling the bankers to GTFO, that they sicken and disgust us, and their #e wont be tolerated any longer.

The banks fund the politicians and their campaigns.

If you hate the agenda of government, address the people
who are funding the implementation of the agenda!

karl marx predicted all this in the communist manifesto.

he believed that the upper and wealthy class ran society and capitalism purely for their own benefits and that it would create an atmosphere of tension that would lead to the self destruction of the society and the people and workers would rise up out of the rubble and take over.

sounds familiar.

you have all been lied too. and you can't come to grips or believe that you have been betrayed so badly. you want to believe in the american dream, even though you have no hope in attaining it.

there is another name for the american dream. it's called envy. the american dream is a club. the politicians, high level wallstreet, the banks, oil, defence, they belong to in the club known as the american dream.

they don't take new members and the reasoning is simple. more members equals less money, less status and an inability to believe and accept that you are his equal ensures that 99% of america will never know true wealth and the absolute freedom it provides in america's current state.

October 15th people.

Occupy your nearest City. Spread the word.

15october.net...

reply to post by mastahunta

Will you please be more specific in defining what you mean by "Economic Populists?"Surely the word Populism has a very broad political base of ideologies,but still mostly progressive.

You are saying that the individuals at the event are Populist and not Communist when I have seen the "Red" propaganda myself.I do not believe that everyone there's Communist "but some are,"and the agenda that appears to be motivating and funding the occupation is Socialist.

Another thing is to are you speaking for yourself or is there proof besides you just telling me that it's Populist,or is there a consensus amongst a group or groups which have declared themselves?

Originally posted by Daedal
reply to post by mastahunta

 

Will you please be more specific in defining what you mean by "Economic Populists?"Surely the word Populism has a very broad political base of ideologies,but still mostly progressive.

en.wikipedia.org...

You are saying that the individuals at the event are Populist and not Communist when I have seen the "Red" propaganda myself.I do not believe that everyone there's Communist "but some are,"and the agenda that appears to be motivating and funding the occupation is Socialist.

Funding? The people who I know, who have participated in Occupy have not been paid.

There are fringe elements to every movement, but the attempt to characterize this event as
a Maoist uprising is blatantly false, funded and promoted by the banks, the elite, crony capitalists
and their agents.

Another thing is to are you speaking for yourself or is there proof besides you just telling me that it's Populist,or is there a consensus amongst a group or groups which have declared themselves?

Can you prove that you are not being paid to derail my attempts to push back the negative characterization
of this popular movement?

reply to post by mastahunta

Acually if you look here:abovetopsecret.com maybe you can trace back the elements.

I feel no shame whatsoever about wanting to look deeper into the origins and purposes of this movement. To me it looks as though the flash mob phenom is finally being taken advantage of by an astute third party.

Good on folks for wanting to change undesirable social circumstances, but there has been a lot of bad kool-aid peddled by those who wish to exploit discontent and idealism for their own ends.

I'll tell you this much: if the OWS leads to an acceleration of the erosion of civil liberties, the (possible) good intentions of the backers will amount to so many words.

Originally posted by mistermonculous
I feel no shame whatsoever about wanting to look deeper into the origins and purposes of this movement. To me it looks as though the flash mob phenom is finally being taken advantage of by an astute third party.

Good on folks for wanting to change undesirable social circumstances, but there has been a lot of bad kool-aid peddled by those who wish to exploit discontent and idealism for their own ends.

I'll tell you this much: if the OWS leads to an acceleration of the erosion of civil liberties, the (possible) good intentions of the backers will amount to so many words.

That is fear based thinking - Exercising your fundamental right to express your self
will only strengthen civil liberty.

If the Elites and Powers that be own the economic system, via the banks and FED,
why would they threaten their own vehicle?

That is fear based thinking - Exercising your fundamental right to express your self
will only strengthen civil liberty.

I am not aware of feeling any fear associated with this topic.

Self-expression as an atrophied muscle: nice metaphor, but wide of the target.

Allow me to set up a chain of "if"s.

If evidence of three-letter agency tampering in the Arab Spring movements is credible...

And if the result was a tightening of military control in those states...

And if there is a long and storied history of Peace/Civil Liberties movements being engendered by third-party or state interests...

And if the vast majority of participants would have no way of knowing that they were being manipulated by those third-parties...

And if social networking media has done away with the need to have a live human proxy directing events on the ground...

Well.

If the Elites and Powers that be own the economic system, via the banks and FED,
why would they threaten their own vehicle?

Not claiming to know if the interests of those backing the movement are in line with the fabled PTB, I would venture to posit that their vehicle is in no imminent danger.

this is laughable

hitler was a populist

mao was a populist

stalin was a populist

chez was a populist

the current potus of this country is a populist

yeah right !

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Thomas Jefferson was a populist.

The whole idea of the US is populist. You know "of the people, by the people, for the people".

reply to post by mastahunta

You mentioned that you and people you know have not been payed anything to protest,that's good,but "others" have been financed to push this agenda,and unforunately it appears this Event has been bought and the Occupiers are labeled representatives of such,and are cheerleading the affiche.

The stage/venue was set-up and provided/bought.The cheerleaders/protesters showed up with no clue as what the agenda was or who promoted the Event.But my guess is,soon the stars of the show will show themselves and push an agenda.

Originally posted by Daedal
reply to post by mastahunta

 

You mentioned that you and people you know have not been payed anything to protest,that's good,but "others" have been financed to push this agenda,and unforunately it appears this Event has been bought and the Occupiers are labeled representatives of such,and are cheerleading the affiche.

The stage/venue was set-up and provided/bought.The cheerleaders/protesters showed up with no clue as what the agenda was or who promoted the Event.But my guess is,soon the stars of the show will show themselves and push an agenda.

Can you provide evidence of your claims please.

It's easy to claim these things, but if you want to be taken seriously, you have to provide proof.

Now, all I can see is that people are waking up to the fact that we have been continuously arse raped by the Bankers via the Government and are not accepting the staus quo anymore. Their ways are coming to an end, we will no longer be held to ransom and made to pay for their opulence any longer.

People have lost their jobs, because the Banks refused to lend money to Buisnesses. In turn this resulted in forclosure on their homes, which these Bankers enforced. A lot of people have seen the American Dream for what it really is. An illusion, and I am afraid it appears you have been conditioned to believe that everything is okay.

You are of course entitled to your opinion, and you can choose to not get involved, but to come on here and make accusations about the movement without a shred of evidence, does not add any substance to your opinion.

Originally posted by Cobaltic1978
reply to post by mastahunta

 

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People are fed up with the greedy Bankers. With leaders who cannot Govern with Governance and who are more interested in Photo opportunities and the idea of corruptible power. When was the last time our Governments actually did something for the people who put them in these positions in the first place? I honestly cannot remember.

Answer is never, well I guess the founding fathers but they weren't really the government in till they made one. Which is why they tried to set up a system that was harder to corrupt, and a system devoid of as much power to the government as possible. But dammit where theres power they're sociopaths to exploit it. They have been working the system for years to expand the government and its power and influence in our daily lives.

Both the financial elite and their servants who maintain this system, appear to exhibit behavior that is consistent with symptoms associated with a medical disorder known as psychopathy.(*) Psychopaths, also called sociopaths, are categorized as those who exhibit superficial charm and intelligence, and are absent of delusions or nervousness. Their traits include:
Unreliability
Frequent lying
Deceitful and manipulative behavior (either goal-oriented or for the delight of the act itself)
Lack of remorse or shame
Antisocial behavior
Poor judgment and failure to learn by experience
Incapacity for love
Poverty of general emotions
Loss of insight
Unresponsiveness in personal relations
A frequent need for excitement
An inflated self-worth
An ability to rationalize their behavior
A need for complete power
A need to dominate others

Psychopathy is basically an emotional disorder. The book, The Psychopath, by James Blair, Karina Blair, and Derek Mitchell, states, "The crucial aspect of psychopathy is ... the emotional impairment." According to Dr. J. Reid Meloy's book, The Psychopathic Mind, although psychopaths don't feel emotion in a normal sense, they do experience boredom, envy, exhilaration, contempt, sadistic pleasure, anger, and hints of depression.

www.thehiddenevil.com...

Honestly, what other type of person would want to be put into a position of power over other people where if they messed up it could mean ruining the lives of others? Either a very brave and idealist person hoping to make this world a bit better, or someone who doesn't care if they ruin lives. The world is literally run by insane people.

OT: Correct, I would argue that the Wallstreet occupiers simply are tried of corruption and making a stand against it. Not really an anti-capitalist belief that business should practice in ethics.

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If you need more difinitive research than this I would be happy to provide details.
Source

It's been a tough run lately for local unions and left-wing interest groups. Despite their usual rallies, lobbying and advocacy campaigns, they have failed to get an extension of the millionaire's tax and have been battered by layoffs, budget cuts and concession bargaining.

The city's experienced agitators have taken notice. They are preparing to join the Occupy Wall Street protest this week, sensing an opportunity to advance causes like the millionaire's tax, a labor-friendly contract for Verizon workers and mortgage modifications for distressed homeowners.

Also some good information can be found here:
Source

Despite the sincerity of most Occupy Wall Street protesters and their desire to close down Wall Street and even the Federal Reserve, the movement is quickly becoming a catch-all for socialists and large unions determined to tax millionaires out of existence.

Unions are working to direct the energy of the anti-banker protests into their leftist agenda. “The challenge is, how do you transfer protest into power?” asked Robert Master, legislative and political director of the Communications Workers of America and a co-chair of the Working Families Party. “At the end of the day, you have to figure out a way to take this energy and turn it into legislation that really changes people’s lives.”

The information can be extracted from the sources within the article or I can lay it out for you like a blanket..but it may take some time.